Tom Brady says he's done "for good"

[Tunescribe]

Here's another coaching great.

“You don't win games as a coach during games. You win games as a coach before games. Players win during games, not coaches.” — Red Auerbach.

And Red was correct. But the key point you seem to be missing is his next-to-last sentence.

Execution is the absolute difference. Players execute, coaches coach.

Ask yourself what determines execution.

 

[Ian]

You can argue that because its the truth. Some of the greatest plans have failed because of lack of execution. Was the disappointing loss in the PHI SB because the plan sucked on defense or because we didn't have the best players out there to execute it?

You also completely disregard the vital input that the players provide to the coaches. Do you think Bill seals himself in a room and comes up w/ a genius plan w/o getting input from Taylor or Brady? Coaches can't function w/o knowing what the players see on the field. Coaches don't have that vantage point. Bill has said this himself. You guys think that coaches come up w/ all the ideas independent of player input. That's nonsense. This isn't little league. These players have been coached all their lives. They know how to play the game.

Again, this is the key point in all of it:

And players execute the game plan the coaching staffs put together.

And you’re right, it’s not little league, pee wee football, or college football. It’s the NFL. It absolutely matters.

 

[venecol]

I’m not debating the value of the QB, which is critical to the success of 100% of the coaches in the league. I get you love Tom and hate Bill. But seeing people like you and craw dismissing his effect and diminishing his contributions to the team and saying it meant little to nothing over the last two decades is completely unfair.

Lol, I haven't mentioned Brady at all. Why did you?

I'm talking players vs coaches. I'm talking Taylor, Law, Gronk, etc. Elite players have a significantly greater effect on the final result of a game than any coach will ever have. Bill would agree with me. Just ask him.

 

[1960Pats]

I'm shocked it took this long to get to Bill vs Brady.

What's so shocking? Bill vs Tom is the biggest story that this team has ever seen. And Tom won it going away.

 

[Ian]

They certainly want to talk about ****ty coaching often enough.

In the words of Bill Belichick, It's a players game.

Players 100% make the plays. Coaches 100% get the players the info they need to make the plays. The Pats don't win the SB vs. Seattle without coaching up Malcom Butler on the interception. Fact. Butler deserves the credit for recognizing the situation and acting on it in the moment, a moment he was prepared for thanks to proper coaching. Anyone who thinks that coaching doesn't matter is either clueless, deluded or just trolling for reactions. Any true fan knows coaching matters. We saw what bad coaching looks like this year, and we have seen what great coaching means as well.

What people forget is that would have been Brady’s third-straight Super Bowl loss and might have changed the course of his legacy. The coaching staff preparing Butler for that moment changed everything, I’m just a little stunned people aren’t understanding that.

 

[Ian]

Lol, I haven't mentioned Brady at all. Why did you?

I'm talking players vs coaches. I'm talking Taylor, Law, Gronk, etc. Elite players have a significantly greater effect on the final result of a game than any coach will ever have. Bill would agree with me. Just ask him.

You’re making an inaccurate blanket statement. You can toss that around during the regular season. But if you honestly think it’s meaningless in January and February, I don’t know what else to tell you. We’ve lived it and witnessed it, multiple times.

 

[venecol]

Anyone who thinks that coaching doesn't matter is either clueless, deluded or just trolling for reactions. Any true fan knows coaching matters. We saw what bad coaching looks like this year, and we have seen what great coaching means as well.

You guys keep on repeating this but can't point out anyone saying it. I know it gives you guys comfort to repeat this talking point because you can't defend what is really being discussed. I just find it disingenuous, lazy and boring.

 

[Tunescribe]

Lol, I haven't mentioned Brady at all. Why did you?

I'm talking players vs coaches. I'm talking Taylor, Law, Gronk, etc. Elite players have a significantly greater effect on the final result of a game than any coach will ever have. Bill would agree with me. Just ask him.

This thread has Brady's name on it. Even if it didn't, your history precedes you re. the eternal Tom vs. BB canard anytime the subject of coaching comes up.

 

[1960Pats]

LOL - am even more shocked nobody is outraged (unless I missed it) that Brady indeed never meant to thank Pats fans in his retirement message.

What should Brady thank us for? For giving us 6 SB wins while playing at a discount for 20 years, only to be chased out of town?
I wouldn't be shocked if Brady turns down Kraft's offer to sign a one day contract and retire a Patriot. I don't think he will but I wouldn't be shocked if he did.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

What people forget is that would have been Brady’s third-straight Super Bowl loss and might have changed the course of his legacy. The coaching staff preparing Butler for that moment changed everything, I’m just a little stunned people aren’t understanding that.

Of course people understand it. But what do you think the Chiefs and Eagles are doing this week? Playing Pong on an old Atari? Like with any game, there are things that worked and things that didn’t. Putting Arrington on Chris Matthews the entire first half was terrible; Carroll exploited Belichick who was slow to adjust to the height mismatch. A 30 second touchdown drive before halftime involving some of the worst situational football by the defense. Yes, the team practiced a goalline pick play defense during the week since that was a play the Seahawks liked to run. Btw Butler never INT’d one in practice.

Anyway, hats off the staff for “coaching up” Butler. I’d expect that teams would practice plays when they’re practicing.

 

[venecol]

Ask yourself what determines execution.

Players making plays determines execution.

 

[Ian]

You guys keep on repeating this but can't point out anyone saying it. I know it gives you guys comfort to repeat this talking point because you can't defend what is really being discussed. I just find it disingenuous, lazy and boring.

Stop it, now you’re being MAC10-Esque. You just said mutiple times players are more important than coaches, pointing out execution matters more than coaching. @Steve:Section 102 just pointed out a moment where coaches put a player in a position to execute in a key moment and you dismissed it. You’re becoming like the guy you dislike, which is a little disappointing.

 

[venecol]

Again, this is the key point in all of it:

And you’re right, it’s not little league, pee wee football, or college football. It’s the NFL. It absolutely matters.

Lol, who is saying it doesn't matter? You're deflecting again.

Let me put it this way:

What percentage of winning an NFL football game do you attribute to:

1. The coaches: _____%
2. The players: ______%

Just fill in the blanks so we can at least try to stay in the proper lanes.

 

[Ian]

Players making plays determines execution.

True, but who gives them the game plan to execute?

 

[Ian]

Lol, who is saying it doesn't matter? You're deflecting again.

Let me put it this way:

What percentage of winning an NFL football game do you attribute to:

1. The coaches: _____%
2. The players: ______%

Just fill in the blanks so we can at least try to stay in the proper lanes.

I’m going to start calling you venecol10

 

[venecol]

This thread has Brady's name on it. Even if it didn't, your history precedes you re. the eternal Tom vs. BB canard anytime the subject of coaching comes up.

You haven't been paying attention or have me confused w/ someone else. I haven't had a Tom vs Bill post in at least 2 years. Sorry to disappoint.

 

[1960Pats]

What people forget is that would have been Brady’s third-straight Super Bowl loss and might have changed the course of his legacy. The coaching staff preparing Butler for that moment changed everything, I’m just a little stunned people aren’t understanding that.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda can go either way endlessly.
I understand. The coaches coach the players and the players do the work. It's not brain surgery.
I find it odd that a team who lets info out like it's top secret nuclear war plans had no problem letting the world know that it was the coaches who helped the team work on that particular play.

 

[Ian]

Woulda, coulda, shoulda can go either way endlessly.
I understand. The coaches coach the players and the players do the work. It's not brain surgery.
I find it odd that a team who lets info out like it's top secret nuclear war plans had no problem letting the world know that it was the coaches who helped the team work on that particular play.

Lol, not that odd. It happened after the game was over and the trophy was in the case and it’s called rooting your own horn.

 

[venecol]

Stop it, now you’re being MAC10-Esque. You just said mutiple times players are more important than coaches, pointing out execution matters more than coaching. @Steve:Section 102 just pointed out a moment where coaches put a player in a position to execute in a key moment and you dismissed it. You’re becoming like the guy you dislike, which is a little disappointing.

I'm dismissing you and Steve's and Tune's statements that we are saying that coaching doesn't matter! I've never said that. In fact, I've said coaching matters. This isn't complicated.

 

[1960Pats]

I am not from Boston therefore not a fan of the other teams but always liked Russell for winning and the man he was off the court.

Dismissing his achievements, to me, always came off as a way to argue MJ was the best without looking like total homers.

I think recency bias is also involved.