The future of Matt Patricia

[venecol]

This is the most likely explanation of what happened and why. Not every experiment works out.

Even with all the rough sledding, we would have made the playoffs had the refs in Las Vegas made the right call. We also had some tough injury luck throughout the year on offense.

About 6 other teams would have made the playoffs had the refs made the right calls in a few of their games and didn't have tough injury luck throughout the year on both sides of the ball.

Welcome to the NFL. Maybe we can share a participation banner with them.

 

[patfanken]

Again, what is the basis for your assertion that this was Bill's plan all along? Do you have anything to back this up or is this just your opinion?

Jees, I told myself I wouldn't get roped back into this morass.

My suppositions are based on a series of FACTS

1. Josh left and took THREE offensive assistants with him. So the Pats lost their OC, QB coach, OL coach, and WR coach, Fears retired . They were left with an assistant OL coach, (Yates) and assistant RB (Sunseiri) coach, TE's coach Calley and Troy Brown. Plus a couple of every young "offensive assistants who are on coaching fellowships.

2. BOB was unavailable for the 2022 season, but would be in 2023.

3. Bill had already brought back Judge and Patricia and they were doing other things in the organization when Josh decided to leave.

4. At THAT point Bill never looked outside the organization for a separate OC or QB coach or OL coaches. No one interviewed. Then before camp Patricia and Judge were introduced as OL and QB coach and everyone was left to guess who was going to call the plays and or coordinate the offense.

5. Fast forward to the next season and BOB - a successful OC and pretty successful HC in both college and the Pros. DOESN'T take any HC interviews in either college or the Pros and only ONE OC interview. Before being hired by the Pats less than a week after the interview. NONE of the 5 OC candidates had a 2nd interview, INCLUDING O'Brien.

Those are the undisputed FACTS.

Now even in YOUR hate addled tiny brain, it shouldn't take much of an effort to infer that Bill had a plan in place for BOB to take over in 2023 and cobbled together a holding action for 2022. BOB is clearly Bill's choice to lead the Pats offense until he rides off into the sunset in a few years and he was willing to wait for him rather than pursue someone new and unfamiliar with the Pats offensive system and language.

This isn't some revisionist history that I'm making up out of whole cloth. This is simply following the CLEARLY defined dots.

NOW if over the next 3 seasons if the offense improves year to year and we end up vying for AFCCG's and Superbowls, then Bill absolutely made the right choice along with a LOT of other choices if that's to happen in a utra competitive conference. If it doesn't happen you can say you were right.

2 final points - Sorry about venting in the above paragraph. It's late. 2nd, Ring6 probably articulated the logic of Bill's decisions better than I have. check it out, Bottom line - Bill HAD a plan. It made sense based on past events and the situation that presented itself. He had a plan when he arrived in 2000 - It didn't look too good after a 5-11 start, but it got better from there, right?

 

[venecol]

Jees, I told myself I wouldn't get roped back into this morass.

My suppositions are based on a series of FACTS

1. Josh left and took THREE offensive assistants with him. So the Pats lost their OC, QB coach, OL coach, and WR coach, Fears retired . They were left with an assistant OL coach, (Yates) and assistant RB (Sunseiri) coach, TE's coach Calley and Troy Brown. Plus a couple of every young "offensive assistants who are on coaching fellowships.

2. BOB was unavailable for the 2022 season, but would be in 2023.

3. Bill had already brought back Judge and Patricia and they were doing other things in the organization when Josh decided to leave.

4. At THAT point Bill never looked outside the organization for a separate OC or QB coach or OL coaches. No one interviewed. Then before camp Patricia and Judge were introduced as OL and QB coach and everyone was left to guess who was going to call the plays and or coordinate the offense.

5. Fast forward to the next season and BOB - a successful OC and pretty successful HC in both college and the Pros. DOESN'T take any HC interviews in either college or the Pros and only ONE OC interview. Before being hired by the Pats less than a week after the interview. NONE of the 5 OC candidates had a 2nd interview, INCLUDING O'Brien.

Those are the undisputed FACTS.

Now even in YOUR hate addled tiny brain, it shouldn't take much of an effort to infer that Bill had a plan in place for BOB to take over in 2023 and cobbled together a holding action for 2022. BOB is clearly Bill's choice to lead the Pats offense until he rides off into the sunset in a few years and he was willing to wait for him rather than pursue someone new and unfamiliar with the Pats offensive system and language.

This isn't some revisionist history that I'm making up out of whole cloth. This is simply following the CLEARLY defined dots.

NOW if over the next 3 seasons if the offense improves year to year and we end up vying for AFCCG's and Superbowls, then Bill absolutely made the right choice along with a LOT of other choices if that's to happen in a utra competitive conference. If it doesn't happen you can say you were right.

2 final points - Sorry about venting in the above paragraph. It's late. 2nd, Ring6 probably articulated the logic of Bill's decisions better than I have. check it out, Bottom line - Bill HAD a plan. It made sense based on past events and the situation that presented itself. He had a plan when he arrived in 2000 - It didn't look too good after a 5-11 start, but it got better from there, right?

Ok Ken, so these are your suppositions got it. That's fine.

Although, I wonder if BFlo's attorneys would be interested in using how Bill made a mockery of the Rooney Rule as an exhibit in their lawsuit against the NFL.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Ok Ken, so these are your suppositions got it. That's fine.

Although, I wonder if BFlo's attorneys would be interested in using how Bill made a mockery of the Rooney Rule as an exhibit in their lawsuit against the NFL.

I agree with the bold. And this bridging year was frustrating and sucked. But I think Ken was right. As I stated above, Patricia and Judge were really cheap, and Kraft loves cheap, so that probably factored into the decision too. Looking back, there was probably some other option to bridge, but here we are. Let's hope the frustrating situation taught Mac a positive lesson, not bad habits.

 

[turkeyneck]

No apologies needed just fix it

This^^^

In fact, "Just Fix It" could be this season's slogan.

 

[RIpats88]

Inside the most dysfunctional Patriots season under Bill Belichick: ‘I’ve never seen anything like it’

Clashes with the QB, Belichick blame and coaching malpractice: how the Patriots’ dysfunction last season ran deeper than anyone knew.

www.bostonherald.com

Reading this it was worse than we thought with Patricia/judge.

 

[turkeyneck]

Inside the most dysfunctional Patriots season under Bill Belichick: ‘I’ve never seen anything like it’

Clashes with the QB, Belichick blame and coaching malpractice: how the Patriots’ dysfunction last season ran deeper than anyone knew.

www.bostonherald.com

Reading this it was worse than we thought with Patricia/judge.

Judge may not survive this to return to ST coach. I'd guess he's gone.

 

[sb1]

If that article is an accurate picture of what happened this past season both of them have to go.

 

[Nehalem]

Jees, I told myself I wouldn't get roped back into this morass.

My suppositions are based on a series of FACTS

1. Josh left and took THREE offensive assistants with him. So the Pats lost their OC, QB coach, OL coach, and WR coach, Fears retired . They were left with an assistant OL coach, (Yates) and assistant RB (Sunseiri) coach, TE's coach Calley and Troy Brown. Plus a couple of every young "offensive assistants who are on coaching fellowships.

2. BOB was unavailable for the 2022 season, but would be in 2023.

3. Bill had already brought back Judge and Patricia and they were doing other things in the organization when Josh decided to leave.

4. At THAT point Bill never looked outside the organization for a separate OC or QB coach or OL coaches. No one interviewed. Then before camp Patricia and Judge were introduced as OL and QB coach and everyone was left to guess who was going to call the plays and or coordinate the offense.

5. Fast forward to the next season and BOB - a successful OC and pretty successful HC in both college and the Pros. DOESN'T take any HC interviews in either college or the Pros and only ONE OC interview. Before being hired by the Pats less than a week after the interview. NONE of the 5 OC candidates had a 2nd interview, INCLUDING O'Brien.

Those are the undisputed FACTS.

Now even in YOUR hate addled tiny brain, it shouldn't take much of an effort to infer that Bill had a plan in place for BOB to take over in 2023 and cobbled together a holding action for 2022. BOB is clearly Bill's choice to lead the Pats offense until he rides off into the sunset in a few years and he was willing to wait for him rather than pursue someone new and unfamiliar with the Pats offensive system and language.

This isn't some revisionist history that I'm making up out of whole cloth. This is simply following the CLEARLY defined dots.

NOW if over the next 3 seasons if the offense improves year to year and we end up vying for AFCCG's and Superbowls, then Bill absolutely made the right choice along with a LOT of other choices if that's to happen in a utra competitive conference. If it doesn't happen you can say you were right.

2 final points - Sorry about venting in the above paragraph. It's late. 2nd, Ring6 probably articulated the logic of Bill's decisions better than I have. check it out, Bottom line - Bill HAD a plan. It made sense based on past events and the situation that presented itself. He had a plan when he arrived in 2000 - It didn't look too good after a 5-11 start, but it got better from there, right?

That all makes sense, but there is one problem.

They completely revamped the offensive system, going to a Shannahan-style. A system neither Judge nor Patricia had experience with. And neither does O'brien.

So if the intent was always to bring back BOB why switch the system? Makes no sense.

 

[203Pat]

Again, what is the basis for your assertion that this was Bill's plan all along? Do you have anything to back this up or is this just your opinion?

Lol it was Bill's plan all along to throw away an entire season!

 

[The Brandon Five]

Matty P should be our full-time Pink Stripes Coordinator

 

[turkeyneck]

I guess Judge won't be doing any more QB whispering in the NYJFL.

 

[Sciz]

Judge may not survive this to return to ST coach. I'd guess he's gone.

He also may not want to return to ST coach, because that doesn’t advance his career at all. People know he can coach special teams.

“New England Patriots quarterback coach” is going to look good on a resume in a few years when Judge is applying for college HC jobs. His actual performance in that position will be a distant memory, and I imagine most college ADs don’t follow the Patriots that closely. So in that sense, maybe his best option is to go be an offensive analyst for Alabama next season. They reportedly pay as little as $35k, but he’s getting paid by the Giants for two more years so that doesn’t matter.

 

[The Brandon Five]

He also may not want to return to ST coach, because that doesn’t advance his career at all. People know he can coach special teams.

“New England Patriots quarterback coach” is going to look good on a resume in a few years when Judge is applying for college HC jobs. His actual performance in that position will be a distant memory, and I imagine most college ADs don’t follow the Patriots that closely. So in that sense, maybe his best option is to go be an offensive analyst for Alabama next season. They reportedly pay as little as $35k, but he’s getting paid by the Giants for two more years so that doesn’t matter.

Can Slater become the ST coach?

 

[turkeyneck]

He also may not want to return to ST coach, because that doesn’t advance his career at all. People know he can coach special teams.

“New England Patriots quarterback coach” is going to look good on a resume in a few years when Judge is applying for college HC jobs. His actual performance in that position will be a distant memory, and I imagine most college ADs don’t follow the Patriots that closely. So in that sense, maybe his best option is to go be an offensive analyst for Alabama next season. They reportedly pay as little as $35k, but he’s getting paid by the Giants for two more years so that doesn’t matter.

Yes, his best move would be to take a sabbatical to accelerate the fading memory of his disastrous QB mentorings.


Then get a Div III HC job if he wants to stay in football.

 

[Sciz]

Can Slater become the ST coach?

His past comments point more toward a chaplain role. I do hope he remains involved with the team in some capacity.

 

[203Pat]

I agree with the bold. And this bridging year was frustrating and sucked. But I think Ken was right. As I stated above, Patricia and Judge were really cheap, and Kraft loves cheap, so that probably factored into the decision too. Looking back, there was probably some other option to bridge, but here we are. Let's hope the frustrating situation taught Mac a positive lesson, not bad habits.

I don't get this notion that Kraft is cheap. Is this just some coded thing that people say for a certain reason? When has he cheaped out in his stint as an owner? He is constantly upgrading the stadium and has built a mall around the place. Bill in all likelihood is the highest paid coach in the league and we have never heard a word about Kraft not paying up for a player that Bill wanted. I think it is Bill that is cheap and Bill that likes to send his little "F U's" to the league by getting cute with not naming coordinators or posing for the group photos at the coaches meetings. Bill is the one who manages the cap so you cant blame Kraft if a player walks. Kraft all but said when Brady left it wasn't about money as he would have paid him whatever he wanted but he left it up to Bill.

Yes, I didn't love the fact Kraft caved to the other 31 and basically laid down over the whole deflategate nonsense with Brady and yes, the massage parlor thing was embarrassing but as far as I am concerned Kraft is one of the best, if not the best, owner in the league.

 

[Pape]

Thanks for agreeing that it was Bill's arrogance that drove the decision. The simplest answer is usually the correct answer.

Arrogance? that's more than a bit presumptuous, don't you think? Is it arrogance that lead him to state "if it doesn't work out, blame me"?

He tried something new. It did not work. That's not arrogance. That's him trying to be innovative, using the skills and assets he had on hand... The problem was the assets on hand didn't have the expertise to execute the plan.

But I get it... You gotta get your Anti-Belichick digs in early and often

 

[203Pat]

Arrogance? that's more than a bit presumptuous, don't you think? Is it arrogance that lead him to state "if it doesn't work out, blame me"?

He tried something new. It did not work. That's not arrogance. That's him trying to be innovative, using the skills and assets he had on hand... The problem was the assets on hand didn't have the expertise to execute the plan.

But I get it... You gotta get your Anti-Belichick digs in early and often

Arrogance is the only explanation for thinking you could succeed with a DC with no offensive experience calling plays on offense.

 

[Kontradiction]

Judge may not survive this to return to ST coach. I'd guess he's gone.

I’d agree, but would also point out that screaming matches probably occur very frequently behind the scenes. In this instance, the source of the screaming internally lies at BB’s feet. That’s what happens when you try to ram a square peg through a round hole, then allow said peg to change the offense’s terminology, simplify things, and then have that square peg split duties with another square peg which only served to create mass confusion. Given that article, I don’t know if I would toss out Judge before giving him the STC position again. The coverage units were an absolute mess this season, and Judge has been undoubtedly good in that role.