PATRIOTS NEWS BoB officially back

[PatsFan2]

Compared to Gabe Davis he does catch everything. Meyers' career catch percentage is 68. Davis is 54. Davis catches about half the balls thrown to him. That sucks.

I'll still take him over the current Patriot WR group.

 

[PatsFan2]

I sarcastically stated that everyone else's wideouts are better than the Patriots'. That is statistically not even accurate a little bit. I am not going to sit here and covet some other team's scrub WR #3, #4, or #5 because he plays someplace not Foxboro.

Now, I am also not going to say that Bill is good at identifying, drafting, and developing wide out talent. He's not. I have stated here many times that he sucks at it, and it's his Achilles Heel when it comes to his resume. Like many people here, I am hoping that changes will BoB here, but I seriously doubt it. It's not how Bill builds his roster, it never has been, and most likely never will be. You can throw shade at the man all day long, but he kept this roster competitive for 20 years, which is the exact opposite of what the NFL system is designed to do. Yes, Brady covered up a lot of sins. Belichick is not perfect and he has not gotten them back to competing at the highest level since Brady left. Other than Joe Gibbs, not one coach has done it.

I do think that if a *good* team with a top shelf QB pays Meyers a ton of money, he will likely thrive. More than likely, he will go to some middle of the road team and he will continue to be what he is: a serviceable NFL receiver.

BB have been pretty average post Brady who covered up a lot that's a fact. I hope he gives Bob the entire reigns of the Offense even when it comes on to picking Offensive Players.

 

[crawhammer]

If Meyers type receivers grew on trees, there'd be a lot more of them in the NFL. We don't know that Bourne could do what Meyers does. So many teams struggle with #2 guys who aren't sharp on their routes and they don't know what spaces to exploit. It would be a big mistake for the Patriots to lose Meyers. Luckily, I'm not sure anyone outside of Vegas knows his value. Better hope the Bills don't get him. He'd be a massive upgrade over Gabe Davis.

Davis had a disappointing season but he had more yards, Y/R and TDs than Meyers. I like Meyers but he's NOT a "massive upgrade" over Davis. Meyers has 8 TDs in 60 regular season games. Davis has 20 TDs in 47 regular season games. That alone makes Davis better. Davis also has 22 receptions for 474 yards (21.5 Y/R) and 6 TDs in 7 playoff games.

 

[PatsFan2]

Davis had a disappointing season but he had more yards, Y/R and TDs than Meyers. I like Meyers but he's NOT a "massive upgrade" over Davis. Meyers has 8 TDs in 60 regular season games. Davis has 20 TDs in 47 regular season games. That alone makes Davis better. Davis also has 22 receptions for 474 yards (21.5 Y/R) and 6 TDs in 7 playoff games.

That's what I'm saying I hope BB doesn't value Meyers like some on this board who wants to pay an above average WR 15 Mill.

 

[venecol]

Compared to Gabe Davis he does catch everything. Meyers' career catch percentage is 68. Davis is 54. Davis catches about half the balls thrown to him. That sucks.

True but his depth of reception is much higher which typically means those balls are less accurate. He does suffer from the dropsies at times but 20 TDs in 3 seasons vs 8 in 4 seasons for Meyers is not even close. He's got 6 TDs in the playoffs, which is almost as many as Meyers career. Like someone else already said, they are different types of receivers.

 

[PatsFan2]

True but his depth of reception is much higher which typically means those balls are less accurate. He does suffer from the dropsies at times but 20 TDs in 3 seasons vs 8 in 4 seasons for Meyers is not even close. He's got 6 TDs in the playoffs, which is almost as many as Meyers career. Like someone else already said, they are different types of receivers.

 

[JackBauer]

If Meyers was always open and catches everything we'd be much better on Third Downs. Meyers is very overrated here and that's a fact.

That’s an opinion, actually.

 

[Zuma]

True but his depth of reception is much higher which typically means those balls are less accurate. He does suffer from the dropsies at times but 20 TDs in 3 seasons vs 8 in 4 seasons for Meyers is not even close. He's got 6 TDs in the playoffs, which is almost as many as Meyers career. Like someone else already said, they are different types of receivers.

They ARE different types of receivers. Regardless...I'd rather have a receiver with above average catching skills then one that can only catch the ball half the time. Move the chains.

 

[Steve102]

BB have been pretty average post Brady who covered up a lot that's a fact. I hope he gives Bob the entire reigns of the Offense even when it comes on to picking Offensive Players.

Disagree. Strongly. I 100% want BoB's input, but they have a system and I expect them to work within the confines of said system, not cede all power and decisions to Bill O'brien. His voice should be among the loudest in the room, but not the only.

 

[raduray]

1. He's gonna get over market value money.

What he's able to get IS market value. That's how markets work.

 

[PatsFan2]

They ARE different types of receivers. Regardless...I'd rather have a receiver with above average catching skills then one that can only catch the ball half the time. Move the chains.

Well TThornton is like a Gabe Davis I'm just saying.

 

[raduray]

What would you be willing to give Meyers to stay? BTW, I like Meyers and would like him to stay.

Whatever other teams are willing to pay is market value. Of course there's risk, and that factors into the price. But the risk is less for the Patriots where he's a proven player within their system as opposed to other teams where he would have to adapt to an entirely new environment. So whatever other teams are willing to pay given their higher risk, a Patriots $$ match with a lower risk is good value.

 

[PatsFan2]

I'm going to say it I think this guy is better than Meyers in FA.

Darius Slayton Career Stats - NFL - ESPN

Complete career NFL stats for New York Giants Wide Receiver Darius Slayton on ESPN. Includes scoring, rushing, defensive and receiving stats.

www.espn.com

 

[PScottman]

Kraft expounded on these bolded comments that he wanted BOB to coach Jones in 2023 and for BOB to replace BB in the near future. The bottom line is that Kraft regrets not keeping Brady over BB. Kraft has openly trashed Belichick all in print.

So exactly zero of what you state Kraft said...was actually said, by Robert Kraft. Even in the link you posted.

Got it. Thanks for confirming your agenda.

 

[Zuma]

I'm going to say it I think this guy is better than Meyers in FA.

Darius Slayton Career Stats - NFL - ESPN

Complete career NFL stats for New York Giants Wide Receiver Darius Slayton on ESPN. Includes scoring, rushing, defensive and receiving stats.

www.espn.com

When do you plan on saying that ? Give me a heads up beforehand please.

 

[Ring 6]

Rong6

It did happen, but the spinmeisters always have an explanation dreamed up.

Kraft expounded on these bolded comments that he wanted BOB to coach Jones in 2023 and for BOB to replace BB in the near future. The bottom line is that Kraft regrets not keeping Brady over BB. Kraft has openly trashed Belichick all in print.

NFL Insider wonders if Patriots, Robert Kraft could move on from Bill Belichick

It's been a struggle for the Patriots this season. One NFL insider wonders if Robert Kraft could move on from Bill Belichick.

www.masslive.com

That interview also saw Kraft praise Mac Jones and said this 2022 season was huge for him.

“These young quarterbacks, the good ones, in the second year have usually grown a great deal. I’m a big fan of Mac Jones. You see how hard he works. He wants everything to go right. He puts the time and energy, and his personality as a team guy,” Kraft said. “So we have a chance. Without a good coach and a good quarterback, no matter how good the other players are, I don’t think you can win consistently. Hopefully, I believe we have both -- an outstanding coach and a good young prospect at quarterback.”

There is no reference whatsoever to Bill OBrien in what you posted.

I have no doubt that you have convinced yourself that it happened (just as you have convinced yourself that “Kraft has openly trashed Belichick” )but none of those things have happened.
You misunderstand so much of what you hear or read and then think that what you misperceived actually happened.
That is why whenever called out you can never back it up.
I actually feel bad for you.

 

[Kasmir]

In Texas Watson was a great QB. In Cleveland Watson has not looked that great. Obviously it is not all to Bob's credit, but some it must be. Right?

To be fair, Watson's new legal career might be proving to be a distraction.

 

[PatsFan2]

When do you plan on saying that ? Give me a heads up beforehand please.

Zuma: Meyers been good on a mediocre Patriots Offensive team doesn't make him all world. You are getting use to mediocrity the Patriots WR's stink! bottom of the league receivers.

 

[venecol]

Whatever other teams are willing to pay is market value. Of course there's risk, and that factors into the price. But the risk is less for the Patriots where he's a proven player within their system as opposed to other teams where he would have to adapt to an entirely new environment. So whatever other teams are willing to pay given their higher risk, a Patriots $$ match with a lower risk is good value.

I'm thinking no more than $12.5M AAY. That's what we paid HH and Smith. I think that's a competitive number. If others are willing to give him $15M per, I'm out.

 

[PatsFan2]

I'm thinking no more than $12.5M AAY. That's what we paid HH and Smith. I think that's a competitive number. If others are willing to give him $15M per, I'm out.

Based on his hard work to make himself a player I would go no further than $11Mill.