NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION 2022 NFL Playoff Monday - Wild Card Round - Cow Patties vs the Avocados

[Patsfan1958]

 

[venecol]

Again, you see it differently than me. Brady retires February of 2022. Brady met with Glazer on 3/12, Brady unretires and Arians is in a new role on 3/13.

Now, if you wanna go down a conspiracy rabbit hole, the Glazer meeting was about Brady being in a mess with the Ross meeting and the Dolphins fiasco, which cost the Dolphins a pick and a chuck of money.

So, Brady goes to Glazer and says he has to come back in order to save face with the NFL, so Glazer makes it easy peazy, as he's grateful to Brady for the SB win. Perhaps Arians was leaving anyway. This keeps Brady out of the public opinion jail and it all goes away. Now, Brady's legacy is not tainted by the Miami mess, he's back to being Capt. America. Again, just a conspiracy theory, and not one that I subscribe to.

Yea, who knows. There's so many rumors surrounding Brady that I don't even bother keeping track of them.

 

[RIpats88]

It's pretty clear Brady and Arians butted heads. There were rumors out there that his retirement in part had to do with being done with Arians.

If we can have a 100 page thread on rumors that Mac talked to other coaches and believe it we also can talk about and believe that Brady may have had arians pushed out.

It's too much of a coincidence.
1. Rumors come out Brady doesn't want to play for arians
2. Brady retires
3. news comes out that Brady met with the owner about coming back.
4. Within the same week arians is reassigned and Brady unretires.

If not that has to be a HUGE coincidence.

 

[Wozzy]

Are you saying Fournette was a good running back this season? If so then you're deranged. He was a fat load, heavier than the two previous seasons, and he was the WORST starting RB in the NFL. Do you want me to list all of the facts that prove it? Because I can do it if you're too lazy to figure it out on your own.

The Bucs ranked 32nd in rushing attempts, Tom set the all time record in pass attempts. The Bucs stopped running when Arians was fired. That’s what happens when your QB is also your offensive coordinator and GM.

 

[Wozzy]

2020 Brady (age 43):
102.2 passer rating
4633 yards
40 TDs
12 INTs
3 road playoff wins
Super Bowl champion
Super Bowl MVP

2021 Brady (age 44):
102.1 passer rating
5316 yards (NFL leader & 3rd most all-time)
43 TDs (NFL leader)
12 INTs
Division title
Tied for best record in the NFL
Pro Bowl
2nd team All Pro
2nd in NFL MVP

Whatever else was going on for the Bucs in 2020 and 2021, Brady was totally brilliant both seasons. That's a fact.

The irony of this ^ statement is how often you’re here arguing how QB’s are the alpha and omega when it comes to winning and that Brady made BB. Laughable…

With Arians:
11-5 Super Bowl
13-4 Lost divisional round due to Bowles screw up

Without Arians:
8-9 in the weakest division and conference in football and get dusted in round one.

It’s a team sport, nobody is “more” important… they’re all important.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

LMAO

Buccaneers fire Byron Leftwich

Buccaneers head coach Todd Bowles said a couple of days ago that there was no decision about offensive coordinator Byron Leftwich's future with the team, but the Bucs have now made that decision and it will result in a change in Tampa.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

 

[denverpatsfan]

LMAO

Buccaneers fire Byron Leftwich

Buccaneers head coach Todd Bowles said a couple of days ago that there was no decision about offensive coordinator Byron Leftwich's future with the team, but the Bucs have now made that decision and it will result in a change in Tampa.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Hope he can apply for the Pats job...

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Hope he can apply for the Pats job...

He's the scapegoat, but it was the QB who was the issue along with injuries to their o-line. DIdn't help that Fat Slob Lenny came in 30 pounds overweight to training camp either.

 

[TBR]

He's the scapegoat, but it was the QB who was the issue

Yea let's give Byron Leftwich, whose greatest accomplishment in life is growing a basketball for a head, over the great Tom Brady.

 

[crawhammer]

The Bucs ranked 32nd in rushing attempts, Tom set the all time record in pass attempts. The Bucs stopped running when Arians was fired. That’s what happens when your QB is also your offensive coordinator and GM.

I don't know why you're arguing this. The Bucs were 32nd, last, in yards per rushing attempt. Fournette averaged 1.5 rushing yards after contact (37th in the NFL) and White averaged 1.3 rushing yards after contact (41st in the NFL)... only the Jets had a worse team YAC/Att. The Bucs were also 31st in rush attempts per broken tackle. Last in rushing first down percentage (22.4%) and last in rushing touchdown percentage (14.7%... second to last was 24.1%). The 2022 Bucs had an awful running game, the worst in the NFL by far.

The irony of this ^ statement is how often you’re here arguing how QB’s are the alpha and omega when it comes to winning and that Brady made BB. Laughable…

With Arians:
11-5 Super Bowl
13-4 Lost divisional round due to Bowles screw up

Without Arians:
8-9 in the weakest division and conference in football and get dusted in round one.

It’s a team sport, nobody is “more” important… they’re all important.

Now you're arguing Arians is the difference between a good and bad Bucs team? Funny how his no risk it no biscuit game plan didn't work with Winston. Yet with Brady it's all-world and winning a Super Bowl.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Yea let's give Byron Leftwich, whose greatest accomplishment in life is growing a basketball for a head, over the great Tom Brady.

Just further proof that Brady needs good coaching to succeed. Otherwise, why fire Leftwich?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Now you're arguing Arians is the difference between a good and bad Bucs team? Funny how his no risk it no biscuit game plan didn't work with Winston. Yet with Brady it's all-world and winning a Super Bowl.

The Bucs offense was top 3 in 2019 with that approach.

 

[irishfanatic]

Really hope this thread gets locked soon.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Jesus do we have to have another anti Brady troll-a-thon by our village idiot again today?

 

[crawhammer]

The Bucs offense was top 3 in 2019 with that approach.

They were #1 in balls thrown up for grabs and picked off by the other team.

 

[venecol]

Just further proof that Brady needs good coaching to succeed. Otherwise, why fire Leftwich?

So Leftwich was good in '20 but bad in '22? Your takes are just horrible dude. Stick to your incel forum.

 

[venecol]

Really hope this thread gets locked soon.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

So Leftwich was good in '20 but bad in '22? Your takes are just horrible dude. Stick to your incel forum.

Maybe you should think before you write. what major coaching change happened between 2020 and 2022 in Tampa? hmm…

 

[sb1]

Foreign Objects to K-Balls; Unique Night For Maher

Can't have a tiny blade of grass out of place. The #integrity!


There go the Patriots again using an illegal K-ball someone call ESPN.

 

[Wozzy]

I don't know why you're arguing this. The Bucs were 32nd, last, in yards per rushing attempt. Fournette averaged 1.5 rushing yards after contact (37th in the NFL) and White averaged 1.3 rushing yards after contact (41st in the NFL)... only the Jets had a worse team YAC/Att. The Bucs were also 31st in rush attempts per broken tackle. Last in rushing first down percentage (22.4%) and last in rushing touchdown percentage (14.7%... second to last was 24.1%). The 2022 Bucs had an awful running game, the worst in the NFL by far.

Running the ball takes commitment and toughness, the Bucs had none. They ran all over Dallas in week one and stopped running. Running when teams know you need a short down is a recipe for low production.

Now you're arguing Arians is the difference between a good and bad Bucs team? Funny how his no risk it no biscuit game plan didn't work with Winston. Yet with Brady it's all-world and winning a Super Bowl.

I’m not arguing it, it simply is. Arians led the entire NFL in passing yards and TD’s with Jameis Winston the year before Brady arrived. The only reason the team was bad was because Winston put up a historic turnover total, really…. historically bad.

Any decent QB could have joined the team and looked good, adding the most efficient QB in the NFL was a bonus. The Bucs ran the ball in the playoffs because they were losing games earlier in the season by being one dimensional. The fact they reverted back to that pass happy team once Tom got Arians fired tells me who fixed that imbalance back in 2020… and it wasn’t Leftwich or Tom.

Coaching matters, I don’t know how a supposed Patriot’s fan could watch the abomination that was the Matt Patricia offense this year, or watch the Giants or Jags massive improvement and take a stance that coaching is irrelevant. Total fanboy nonsense…