PATRIOTS NEWS Mayo negotiations + OC interviews next week

[Ring 6]

It's truly hard to get past the thought- "why did we not do this last year?" when it comes to interviewing coaches/hiring an actual staff. 2022-23 season feels like a bad dream.

Because they chose the path of continuity rather than upheaval.
Coordinator by committee has been a very successful approach for them for many years.
I don’t think that something working many times over suddenly becomes insane the first time it doesn’t.

There also really weren’t many candidates at the time that were anything to get excited about.

 

[venecol]

It certainly feels like the days of Bill surrounding himself with yes men and acting in 100% autonomy are over. This feels more like the Krafts are driving the bus, unless it's all a smoke show because it's been BoB the whole time, to @Ross12 point.

Krafts are definitely driving the bus. Robert's statements in March '22 were a warning shot across Bill's bow. None of what Kraft expected came to fruition. A lot of people here dismissed his statements and said he needed to stfu. Lol, he's the owner. He's seen enough.

 

[farn]

Klemm ? I mean are we really going to get excited about BB’s first ever draft pick to run an offense, coming from - not the OC in - college ?

I dunno. I hope it’s BB giving a buddy a lifeline / experience / Rooney rule consideration and that BOB is the actual candidate. Maybe Klemm becomes somebody someday, but I’d prefer staying in the pro league for OC.

 

[p8ryts]

Klemm ? I mean are we really going to get excited about BB’s first ever draft pick to run an offense, coming from - not the OC in - college ?

I dunno. I hope it’s BB giving a buddy a lifeline / experience / Rooney rule consideration and that BOB is the actual candidate. Maybe Klemm becomes somebody someday, but I’d prefer staying in the pro league for OC.

Apart from O'Brien, I think Klemm, Caley and McCardell are interesting. I kind of like the idea of McCardell's experience.

 

[Foxypats]

While I love the idea of Keenan, why do I feel like it’s only because they have to look at a minority coach .

 

[cmasspatsfan]

It's truly hard to get past the thought- "why did we not do this last year?" when it comes to interviewing coaches/hiring an actual staff. 2022-23 season feels like a bad dream.

I think BB had someone in mind and MP was a placeholder for one year.

 

[Love The Drake]

Apart from O'Brien, I think Klemm, Caley and McCardell are interesting. I kind of like the idea of McCardell's experience.

I need more names.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Krafts are definitely driving the bus. Robert's statements in March '22 were a warning shot across Bill's bow. None of what Kraft expected came to fruition. A lot of people here dismissed his statements and said he needed to stfu. Lol, he's the owner. He's seen enough.

You can say what you want about what leeway BB "deserves," Kraft signs the checks and he wants to see something that at least appears intended to result in getting back to relevance.

The game within the game might end up being how pissed Kraft gets if we eff it up with the "consensus" no. 15 overall pick... and end up promoting the 4th round (probably) Bill-supported, deep-cut QB pick... if he wins in training camp.

 

[turkeyneck]

Feels like a Rooney Rule interview to check the box for OC but then hire the guy for the OL coach role later if you liked him.

As an OL coach he'd be an interesting choice. 5 yrs under Scar as a player, several years as OL coach pro and college. I like.

 

[PowerRunRevival]

I need more names.

I think we will see more potential OCs that coached in the Shanahan offense get interviewed. Bill wanted it instituted last year but the zone run game couldn't get going. If they don't go O'Brien I wouldn't be surprised if they went with someone who could get that system put in right.

 

[patfanken]

I have ALWAYS thought that Bill OBrien was the natural choice for OC and this years "experiment" (failed, btw) was just a holding action, waiting for BOB's contract with Alabama to run out.

BOB is 53 and in the prime of his career. He already has positive HCing experiences in both college and the pros. One would THINK that he would ULTIMATELY still want to be a HC SOMETIME in the next 5 years while he is still in his prime. I also believe that Bill isn't going to want an OC who will be a one and done guy. BOB is going to have to commit to a 2-3 year deal.

Then there is always the carrot of being the HC after Bill retires (3-4 years would be my guess) which will be fine except the same promise might be given to Mayo to keep him around.

What I THINK will happen is this.

BOB - gets the OC job with a 3 year deal and the assurance he will follow Bill IF he wants to.

Mayo will get the DC/associate HC title in a 3 year contract - this will make Mayo a more attractive HCing candidate going forward. I also believe that Steve will STILL make the gameday calls for a defence Mayo coordinates.

Bill will also make an effort to sign McCardall and Klemm to assistant coaching positions as well Klemm and Yates will handle the OL, Patricia moves upstairs to the Ernie Adams role and Judge will move back to the ST's And the Patriots will try and pretend that this year's coaching "experiment" never happened

 

[Hyped]

But Mannings caddy doesn’t really deserve much credit. Especially when he flat out blew everywhere else he has ever been where he really coordinated an offense.

Yeah, but one needs to consider the personnel Gase had at his disposal. Although, him unable to get as much out of Tannehill as the Titans did is not a good look…(10-12 with Tanny over three injury plagued seasons)…Darnold was a lot worse, IMO.

Peyton makes anyone look good though….same with Tommy (shrugs).

 

[Hyped]

I have ALWAYS thought that Bill OBrien was the natural choice for OC and this years "experiment" (failed, btw) was just a holding action, waiting for BOB's contract with Alabama to run out.

BOB is 53 and in the prime of his career. He already has positive HCing experiences in both college and the pros. One would THINK that he would ULTIMATELY still want to be a HC SOMETIME in the next 5 years while he is still in his prime. I also believe that Bill isn't going to want an OC who will be a one and done guy. BOB is going to have to commit to a 2-3 year deal.

Then there is always the carrot of being the HC after Bill retires (3-4 years would be my guess) which will be fine except the same promise might be given to Mayo to keep him around.

What I THINK will happen is this.

BOB - gets the OC job with a 3 year deal and the assurance he will follow Bill IF he wants to.

Mayo will get the DC/associate HC title in a 3 year contract - this will make Mayo a more attractive HCing candidate going forward. I also believe that Steve will STILL make the gameday calls for a defence Mayo coordinates.

Bill will also make an effort to sign McCardall and Klemm to assistant coaching positions as well Klemm and Yates will handle the OL, Patricia moves upstairs to the Ernie Adams role and Judge will move back to the ST's And the Patriots will try and pretend that this year's coaching "experiment" never happened

Sign me up for that….

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah, but one needs to consider the personnel Gase had at his disposal. Although, him unable to get as much out of Tannehill as the Titans did is not a good look…(10-12 with Tanny over three injury plagued seasons)…Darnold was a lot worse, IMO.

Peyton makes anyone look good though….same with Tommy (shrugs).

When you stink everywhere you go the “my players suck” bs excuse doesn’t hold any water.

 

[Ring 6]

I have ALWAYS thought that Bill OBrien was the natural choice for OC and this years "experiment" (failed, btw) was just a holding action, waiting for BOB's contract with Alabama to run out.

BOB is 53 and in the prime of his career. He already has positive HCing experiences in both college and the pros. One would THINK that he would ULTIMATELY still want to be a HC SOMETIME in the next 5 years while he is still in his prime. I also believe that Bill isn't going to want an OC who will be a one and done guy. BOB is going to have to commit to a 2-3 year deal.

Then there is always the carrot of being the HC after Bill retires (3-4 years would be my guess) which will be fine except the same promise might be given to Mayo to keep him around.

What I THINK will happen is this.

BOB - gets the OC job with a 3 year deal and the assurance he will follow Bill IF he wants to.

Mayo will get the DC/associate HC title in a 3 year contract - this will make Mayo a more attractive HCing candidate going forward. I also believe that Steve will STILL make the gameday calls for a defence Mayo coordinates.

Bill will also make an effort to sign McCardall and Klemm to assistant coaching positions as well Klemm and Yates will handle the OL, Patricia moves upstairs to the Ernie Adams role and Judge will move back to the ST's And the Patriots will try and pretend that this year's coaching "experiment" never happened

I think Mayo already has been given the successor offer. Why else would he have canceled a HC interview?

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

If Bill hires Caley that would be a colossal blunder.

fire bill asap if he hires the ****ing TE coach who has not shown anything
in fact dude should be released
we drafted two third round TE who couldnt block or run anything
and the highest investment in the TE poition isn't help our offense, our second year veteran TE still can not block etc.

Pass over him last year for a former DC only to give him the job the next year? To me that would read as Bill checking a box and there would be no chance Caley would stand up to Bill and Bill keeps doing whatever he wants.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

any offense minded coach who hasn't worked in this offense is welcomed

 

[captain stone]

I'm hoping to see a second year leap from Patricia next year.

I'll volunteer to push him off, if that's what it takes...

 

[captain stone]

I thought they lost that game due to the Lateral Fest at the end of the game.

They could have won it in regulation if they didn't get super conservative on defense all of a sudden on that last drive. Not to mention the refs missing a pretty blatant non-TD call.

Yep, that coverage they used on 4th/10 made no sense at all; and it went down-hill the rest of the way from there...

 

[mgcolby]

I feel like I'm in a alternate universe with all this information coming out.

Usually this is radio silence time...instead I'm like