Mayo negotiations + OC interviews next week

[jdlboot14]

after all of this, one thing can be stated clearly - JMD was a very good OC.
His offense with a rookie QB and a lot of new teammates was much better than the same team and 2nd QB with a "coach who coaches".

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I mentioned it only because most of us, myself included, ass-umed that we would see the proverbial 2nd-Year Leap from him; in fact I recall posting before TC that Mac was the least of my worries on offense... Turns out I should've been more worried about him than I was then... Not as much as I already was about the OL, WRs & almost the Entire offensive coaching staff, but more worried nonetheless.

Yeah, the Raiders game was the bottom for me. Mac looked so bad I had to rethink my support. After that Mac only got better and started to look like a QB prospect. The coaching sucked, the OL sucked, but Mac does not get a pass from me either. As I posted previously, I am hopeful that Mac hit rock bottom after that performance against the Raiders, he grew to know that the hissy fits had to stop, and he had to act professional to be a professional. If he did pick himself up, that will make him feel good about himself and help to avoid all of that nonsense going forward.

Look on the bright side - the coaching can be fixed quickly and restart in 2023. The OL can be fixed fairly quickly (since we have draft picks and cap room) and restart in 2023. If Mac crashes, it is years to restart unless we sign JG or some other mid-level guy. I am hopeful Mac is better than JG and Cousins, I think few are as hopeful as me, but Mac has the intelligence, sees the field well, and is very accurate. Mac could develop over 2 to 3 years transforming his body and getting his motion consistent. He will never have a J Allen type of rocket arm, but I am not convinced he needs that.

 

[archstanton543]

Yeah, the Raiders game was the bottom for me. Mac looked so bad I had to rethink my support. After that Mac only got better and started to look like a QB prospect. The coaching sucked, the OL sucked, but Mac does not get a pass from me either. As I posted previously, I am hopeful that Mac hit rock bottom after that performance against the Raiders, he grew to know that the hissy fits had to stop, and he had to act professional to be a professional. If he did pick himself up, that will make him feel good about himself and help to avoid all of that nonsense going forward.

Look on the bright side - the coaching can be fixed quickly and restart in 2023. The OL can be fixed fairly quickly (since we have draft picks and cap room) and restart in 2023. If Mac crashes, it is years to restart unless we sign JG or some other mid-level guy. I am hopeful Mac is better than JG and Cousins, I think few are as hopeful as me, but Mac has the intelligence, sees the field well, and is very accurate. Mac could develop over 2 to 3 years transforming his body and getting his motion consistent. He will never have a J Allen type of rocket arm, but I am not convinced he needs that.

I thought they lost that game due to the Lateral Fest at the end of the game.

They could have won it in regulation if they didn't get super conservative on defense all of a sudden on that last drive. Not to mention the refs missing a pretty blatant non-TD call.

 

[venecol]

The Rooney rule doesn't require that BB hire a minority DC.

Never said it did but he has to interview minority candidates before he can select a DC.

 

[DaBruinz]

In fairness to O'Brien, Saban requires his coordinators to run his system and not their own and O'Brien had to be taught the system (a lot by Mac Jones). So this may not be a system O'Brien is comfortable running.

If he is hired by the Pats, he will be able to run his system, not Bama's

Actually, He'd run BB's system, not his own.. Just like he ran BB's system when he was here last time.

 

[DaBruinz]

I suppose, first we might decide whether he was a good quarterbacks coach. Did our QB improve under his direction? That was his JOB.

Judge SUCKED as the QB coach. Mac regressed in many areas. No, the O-line didn't help matters. But I don't think it's a coincidence that Daniel Jones got better with Daboll (a excellent Offensive minded coach) than he did with Judge as the HC with his nose in the offense.

 

[patfanken]

Judge SUCKED as the QB coach. Mac regressed in many areas. No, the O-line didn't help matters. But I don't think it's a coincidence that Daniel Jones got better with Daboll (a excellent Offensive minded coach) than he did with Judge as the HC with his nose in the offense.

Well ONE change I hope will happen this off season will be Judge going back to being in charge of ST's where he thrived for us in the past.

 

[notex]

Never said it did but he has to interview minority candidates before he can select a DC.

Would Mayo not count as a minority?

God I hate this crap. Why create unnecessary steps if our internal candidate is a minority.. so now we need to take interview a a second minority to hire the 1st?

 

[DaBruinz]

Well ONE change I hope will happen this off season will be Judge going back to being in charge of ST's where he thrived for us in the past.

Honestly? I'd rather see Judge move on and bring in someone else. Especially if Mayo is truly the heir apparent. I'd rather him have a say in who is there. Just like on the Offensive side of the ball.

 

[Fubby]

I'm hoping to see a second year leap from Patricia next year.

The only leap you will see from Patricia is into the buffet table.

 

[RIpats88]

after all of this, one thing can be stated clearly - JMD was a very good OC.
His offense with a rookie QB and a lot of new teammates was much better than the same team and 2nd QB with a "coach who coaches".

He also dragged that team with cam newton to 7-9. Reinvented the 2018 offense to a run heavy scheme with the reduced talent to a Superbowl (that was looking like a lost year).

It's almost like offense is hard and shouldn't be left to 2 bozos learning on the job. But that's on Bill

 

[PaulThePat]

It's almost like offense is hard and shouldn't be left to 2 bozos learning on the job.

Yup. Who knew.

 

[notex]

I'd probably be fine with any of the candidates mentioned.

I wonder if BOB has head-coaching aspirations after going back to NFL as OC? Seems we have a problem with losing coaching talent to other teams. Would be nice to have some stability... I guess same can be said for nearly anyone we bring in to be OC.

 

[Love The Drake]

I'd probably be fine with any of the candidates mentioned.

I wonder if BOB has head-coaching aspirations after going back to NFL as OC? Seems we have a problem with losing coaching talent to other teams. Would be nice to have some stability... I guess same can be said for nearly anyone we bring in to be OC.

Any chance Kraft creates some new positions head coach of offense for Obrein head coach for defense for Mayo and pay them both like head coaches?

 

[notex]

Any chance Kraft creates some new positions head coach of offense for Obrein head coach for defense for Mayo and pay them both like head coaches?

do you need to change title to pay more? I dont think there is a pay scale on OC/DC positions. Couldnt they just pay them like HC and keep OC/DC titles?

 

[Love The Drake]

do you need to change title to pay more? I dont think there is a pay scale on OC/DC positions. Couldnt they just pay them like HC and keep OC/DC titles?

For these guys titles mean something.
Especially if you get a guy like Obrein and want to keep him long term.

 

[PatsFan2]

Judge SUCKED as the QB coach. Mac regressed in many areas. No, the O-line didn't help matters. But I don't think it's a coincidence that Daniel Jones got better with Daboll (a excellent Offensive minded coach) than he did with Judge as the HC with his nose in the offense.

Yeah keep Judge away from the Jone's.

 

[203Pat]

Agreed…that job comes with a lot of solid ingredients to cook with.

Quarterback is arguably one of the most talented in the whole league, better skill position players, warm weather, and a decent chance you are at least the interim head coach and auditioning for the job by Halloween.

 

[Rob0729]

Just heard on the radio. The Pats have requested permission to speak to Keenan McCardell of the Vikings for OC.

 

[Snooky97]

Just heard on the radio. The Pats have requested permission to speak to Keenan McCardell of the Vikings for OC.

Can confirm...

Also Bill O'Brien included in this as well..