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Does Belichick Last Beyond 2023, and What Needs to Happen?

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In the interest of being comprehensive, there is a part of me that wants Orchids and Jonathan to chat with McVay.
I’d be fine with that as long as BB is given 2023 to finally fix the team and make them a competitor for the East again. If he fails, then given everything I said in the last post, the alternatives should be abundant.
 
In the interest of being comprehensive, there is a part of me that wants Orchids and Jonathan to chat with McVay.
I thought that way as well when they were talking about it during the season as a possibility maybe down the road. However, I'm sort of disappointed he's considering walking away at the first sign of adversity. I don't want them to hire a guy who is going to bail just because they had a rough year. That's a little ridiculous to me and I'm sort of surprised to hear he's even considering it.
 
I’d be fine with that as long as BB is given 2023 to finally fix the team and make them a competitor for the East again. If he fails, then given everything I said in the last post, the alternatives should be abundant.
Agree.

Assuming he removes Fat Matt as OC, 2023 is the proverbial fork in the road.
 
Agree.

Assuming he removes Fat Matt as OC, 2023 is the proverbial fork in the road.
The sad part is that I don’t know if that’s an “assumption.” He may very well stick with Patricia and cite the offense’s output against some of the poorer pass defenses in the league as the reason.
 
In the interest of being comprehensive, there is a part of me that wants Orchids and Jonathan to chat with McVay.
Why would Mcvay think there is less pressure in LA than New England?
He’s in a worse situation hearing be in BBs shadow.
Whoever is the new coach has to have a strong mental well-being to be unflapped by that.
We need the next Sirianni.

I would go all out for Shane Steichen.
Look how he developed Jalen Hurts.
Or Ben Johnson on the Lions who has rejuvenated Goffs Career.
 
My main point was Mac struggled last season with McDaniels. The last 5 games (1-4) he had 8 TDs and 7 INTs. That includes his best start of the season against Jacksonville. You think Mac played well in any of those 4 losses (combined 5 TDs and 7 INTs)?

Did Mac finish better this season? I suppose. The record wasn't any better. 3 picks in the second half of week 18. And I'm not sure what you're getting at here? If you're saying he improved by the end of this season then couldn't you also say he, the offense generally, and Patricia started to click? Couldn't Bill potentially point to this (false) argument as a reason for retaining Patricia?
You've been harping on the 2021 finish all year. The kid was better down the stretch this year compared to last year and the picks in Week 18 - two of them anyway, the third went off Harris' fingers - came because they started pressing instead of just being patient and running their offense the way they had during the rest of the game. The deficit increased after the turnovers.

Don't get me wrong, he's going to have to play like he did in the first half every week for 60 minutes next year. If he does, they'll have a shot. If he doesn't, then obviously, they'll be in trouble. But until there's an alternative or someone beats him out, he's what we've got right now. No point in pining for the guy who isn't here anymore.
 
The sad part is that I don’t know if that’s an “assumption.” He may very well stick with Patricia and cite the offense’s output against some of the poorer pass defenses in the league as the reason.
I have a feeling there's enough frustration internally where they're (hopefully) not going to allow that. Although like everybody else, I'm certainly curious to see how it plays out.
 
If BB thinks Mac's sub-par year is all on him and Fat Matt craps Tiffany cufflinks then the NEP are worse off than I ever imagined with BB has HC.
I think people are underestimating Bill's incredible stubbornness. I don't why, considering he stood there steadfastly benching a key defensive starter for presumably nothing major while his defense got completely shredded in the Super Bowl. Christ if he's willing to do that then why would anyone be surprised with him saying, Mac needs to improve (in fact according to Ian, this already started by the end of the season), Patricia's my guy, it's my plan, and I'm forging ahead beyond just one season with all of it.
 
I thought that way as well when they were talking about it during the season as a possibility maybe down the road. However, I'm sort of disappointed he's considering walking away at the first sign of adversity. I don't want them to hire a guy who is going to bail just because they had a rough year. That's a little ridiculous to me and I'm sort of surprised to hear he's even considering it.
I agree but I don't totally blame him. He and Snead were under tremendous pressure by Kroneke to build a winner ASAP as winning was key to filling the new stadium. They did that and it cost them the team's future.

I certainly don't want that model here so what needs to be determined is when it comes to team building, what is McVay's philosophy? Is it sustained excellence or churn-burn baby and future be damned?
 
I think they thought Stevenson might break off a big gain and even take it all the way on the play they called. I don't think they expected him to lateral. That seemed to be the sentiment within the media based on things multiple reporters said.
Thinking Stevenson might break off a 55-yard TD run there is as dumb as thinking Tannehill might complete a 70-yard hail mary pass. This is defending the indefensible. How about removing the possibility of a lateral altogether by doing the one thing there that made sense (kneel down and take it into OT).
 
I agree but I don't totally blame him. He and Snead were under tremendous pressure by Kroneke to build a winner ASAP as winning was key to filling the new stadium. They did that and it cost them the team's future.

I certainly don't want that model here so what needs to be determined is when it comes to team building, what is McVay's philosophy? Is it sustained excellence or churn-burn baby and future be damned?
All a big assumption that he's 1) leaving and 2) coming here.
 
I agree but I don't totally blame him. He and Snead were under tremendous pressure by Kroneke to build a winner ASAP as winning was key to filling the new stadium. They did that and it cost them the team's future.

I certainly don't want that model here so what needs to be determined is when it comes to team building, what is McVay's philosophy? Is it sustained excellence or churn-burn baby and future be damned?
Definitely a good question. Obviously, I'm sure the goal was to try and fill that billion dollar stadium but I don't know even how much impact the win had on their season ticket numbers. The other thing I wondered was if maybe he'd rather ultimately go somewhere where they care about the NFL, because aside from the transplants who go to watch the visiting teams, I don't know if LA really cares all that much about either team, honestly. With the Chargers maybe having at least some of an edge having had the longer history in the state.
 
Thinking Stevenson might break off a 55-yard TD run there is as dumb as thinking Tannehill might complete a 70-yard hail mary pass. This is defending the indefensible. How about removing the possibility of a lateral altogether by doing the one thing there that made sense (kneel down and take it into OT).
They could have seen something on film, who knows. You get him out in space against a defensive back and it's not like he hasn't done it previously. As for the lateral, again, only the people internally know. Again, I know you're mad at Bill, but I would just do the easy thing - wait. He'll be gone in a few years and then you can harp on the next guy.
 
I think people are underestimating Bill's incredible stubbornness. I don't why, considering he stood there steadfastly benching a key defensive starter for presumably nothing major while his defense got completely shredded in the Super Bowl. Christ if he's willing to do that then why would anyone be surprised with him saying, Mac needs to improve (in fact according to Ian, this already started by the end of the season), Patricia's my guy, it's my plan, and I'm forging ahead beyond just one season with all of it.
If you want to call it stubbornness fine but BB is based on principals to the core. There are key tenants to his program that are uncompromising as he believes if the are compromised the whole thing is based on a house of cards.

What I cannot abide by is stubbornly keeping an OC who sucked and using loyalty as the justification to keeping him in the role.

I've laid off and fired people who were loyal to me. It hurt but I always did it with respect and was completely transparent with them with the reasons.

There is no reason he can't reassign Fat Matt to another role in the org or part ways gracefully and still stay friends.

It's a business and business needs to be done.
 
The sad part is that I don’t know if that’s an “assumption.” He may very well stick with Patricia and cite the offense’s output against some of the poorer pass defenses in the league as the reason.
************ then i'll lose me s**t (again)
 
You think the Krafts enjoy paying $20+m a year for mediocre results?

The reality is we are a mediocre rebuilding team with a 71 year old coach. How much time does he get to rebuild at 71? If he’s 72 or 73 and we aren’t a contender do the Krafts keep wanting to pay a coach 3x what they could pay for someone much younger that could be part of the team long term?

The results they’ve gotten from bill belichick are anything but mediocre.
It's very eirre post brady, BB looks the the BB in Cleveland!
 
You've been harping on the 2021 finish all year. The kid was better down the stretch this year compared to last year and the picks in Week 18 - two of them anyway, the third went off Harris' fingers - came because they started pressing instead of just being patient and running their offense the way they had during the rest of the game. The deficit increased after the turnovers.
Merely one comeback win for Mac in two seasons is a major red flag imo.
 
Merely one comeback win for Mac in two seasons is a major red flag imo.
Had this discussion with venecol. I haven't had time to dig but I mean you have the opener last year where they were down by one and could have won with a field goal but fumbled, another this year where they were knocking on the door and could have gone ahead with a touchdown and fumbled. It's not like it's been all on him.
 
They could have seen something on film, who knows. You get him out in space against a defensive back and it's not like he hasn't done it previously. As for the lateral, again, only the people internally know. Again, I know you're mad at Bill, but I would just do the easy thing - wait. He'll be gone in a few years and then you can harp on the next guy.
Or you could just admit a kneel down was the better call.
 
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