Game Day Thread Official Post Game Thread- Bengals beat the Pats

[upstater1]

Like Eason and Bledsoe played "winning football"

Trying hard, your best, is admirable but doesn't make you better than you are.

There's a very good reason Montana, Brady, Flutie won championships. It's not the stats, although they did rack up yards and set records when they had elite talent and/or opportunity.

You keep talking about Flutie.

Did I sleep through 20 years.

I mean, you mention Brady and Montana, and I understand. Then you throw in Flutie and I'm like, why are you purposely sabotaging your own argument?

 

[JMC00]

Stevenson's fumble really absolved Folk from missing 2 PATs.... He makes his PATs

22-6 becomes 22-7
22-12 becomes 22-14 (Pats wouldn't have had to go for 2 here to try to make it an 8 point game)
22-18 becomes 22-21

Only would have needed to kick a FG at the end and could have run down time by kneeling and kicked a FG bengals were out of timeouts

 

[TheRainMaker]

Here's another example of an open receiver (2 actually) that Mac fails to connect with and has nothing to do with OL or coaches. No anticipation.

That is some atrocious field vision. He could've shimmed Bates and Thornton is wide open downfield. If he timed it right, he could've completed the pass to Meyers who once again is open because the MLB bites on the PA. But the problem remains, he targets the shortest route WR (Meyers) way too much.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Lol at the play on the bottom.

 

[PP2]

Lol at the play on the bottom.

This is where we sorely miss a receiver of Edelman's caliber. He had an uncanny sense of where the holes were and how to hit them. He could read the D as well as Brady did.

Here we see Agholor completely failing react to being shaded on the outside in a cover 1 and just continuing his go route. He doesn't read what the defense is giving him, at all. You can tell that Mac's first read was to him, but as he wasn't looking back, Mac had to dump the ball to Jonnu for a **** gain.

My opinion, of course.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

The Safety (#30 Jesse Bates) never even looked Thornton's way, that's how little respect they (& every other team) has for our deep attack.

Pleasantly surprised that even Tool Chatham is criticizing Corky here.

... which is a potential huge advantage for us, if Mac can elevate his awareness out there.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

You keep talking about Flutie.

Did I sleep through 20 years.

I mean, you mention Brady and Montana, and I understand. Then you throw in Flutie and I'm like, why are you purposely sabotaging your own argument?

Doug was sabotaged by the NFL. Multiple times.

As I've pointed out before, he did more with what he had than any other quarterback in the 90's could. Definitely take Doug over Aikman, Young, Elway, Kelly etc.

No NFL coach believed in him or stuck with him... before he was 38 years old, anyway.

He was exiled to Canada and all he did was win six MVP's and three titles, and set rushing and passing records that will never be broken.

Of course, this will always be conjecture. But it is a fact that all the others were kept in there even after they sucked in their first years and were coddled and pampered on loaded teams.

*Edit: You can argue Elway did not have an All Star offense. But he was left in there, had a league leading defense and one of the best home field advantages in the league. Absolutely yes, I believe Flutie would have done better than John. Because he was better.

 

[Deus Irae]

Here's another example of an open receiver (2 actually) that Mac fails to connect with and has nothing to do with OL or coaches. No anticipation.

You know Chatham's wrong about that play, right? Just watch #55 for the reason why.

 

[venecol]

You know Chatham's wrong about that play, right? Just watch #55 for the reason why.

#55 moves out of the throwing lane way before Mac throws. At least that's my opinion. Maybe we're both wrong.

 

[Deus Irae]

#55 moves out of the throwing lane way before Mac throws. At least that's my opinion. Maybe we're both wrong.

#55 is far enough back at the snap that he'd be a danger to tip/pick the ball if Jones throws early (Jones obviously can't throw it much earlier than the play calls for the throw to be made, since the WR won't be ready for the ball that quickly, as he only looks back after his break, so an immediate throw is impossible. Once #55 is out of the play, Jones cannot float the ball because of where the safety is. Jones has to look the safety away and zip the ball to the WR before the safety recovers. And, if he'd led the receiver, people would be talking about Jones having thrown a hospital ball. We've been talking about arm strength, and this is one case where a cannon arm would have aided the play, but any "late" in the throw itself is like a millisecond. The ball was too far behind, but it was because of placement, not time. It needed to be just about at the back shoulder, not behind it.

Again, watch #55 for when he finally clears all the way (combined with Jones' inability to throw too soon since the WR isn't going to look until making his break) and notice the lack of time passing between then and Jones' throw. Focus on seconds 3 and 4 in the video. And, in that 2 second portion of the clip, match that all up with the actions of the safety.

 

[venecol]

Stevenson's fumble really absolved Folk from missing 2 PATs.... He makes his PATs

22-6 becomes 22-7
22-12 becomes 22-14 (Pats wouldn't have had to go for 2 here to try to make it an 8 point game)
22-18 becomes 22-21

Only would have needed to kick a FG at the end and could have run down time by kneeling and kicked a FG bengals were out of timeouts

And if McPherson doesn't miss a PAT plus a FG, the score is 26-21, requiring a TD to win.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

The Safety (#30 Jesse Bates) never even looked Thornton's way, that's how little respect they (& every other team) has for our deep attack.

Pleasantly surprised that even Tool Chatham is criticizing Corky here.

Mac is commonly late with his release. Not sure why. When we say that people think we are anti-Mac which is not true. Just want him to move his feet better (has been better the last few games), and throw with anticipation. I think he will be strong and accurate enough to be a Top 10 QB if he can get past his hesitation or slow play or whatever it is.

 

[TomPatriot]

Mac is commonly late with his release. Not sure why. When we say that people think we are anti-Mac which is not true. Just want him to move his feet better (has been better the last few games), and throw with anticipation. I think he will be strong and accurate enough to be a Top 10 QB if he can get past his hesitation or slow play or whatever it is.

He’s thinking too much and he doesn’t trust his receivers to be where they need to be. That’s my guess, anyway.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

He’s thinking too much and he doesn’t trust his receivers to be where they need to be. That’s my guess, anyway.

I am guessing he is a smart guy which can sometimes create an issue if the person overthinks things. He needs to read and react, not stop to think or anticipate. Hopefully he speeds up a bit more each game.

 

[venecol]

He’s thinking too much and he doesn’t trust his receivers to be where they need to be. That’s my guess, anyway.

That and he's being extra careful not to throw a pick which slows down his clock. It's almost like he's waiting for receivers to get completely open before delivering the ball which is fine if you have a few extra seconds in the pocket.

 

[signbabybrady]

Stevenson's fumble really absolved Folk from missing 2 PATs.... He makes his PATs

22-6 becomes 22-7
22-12 becomes 22-14 (Pats wouldn't have had to go for 2 here to try to make it an 8 point game)
22-18 becomes 22-21

Only would have needed to kick a FG at the end and could have run down time by kneeling and kicked a FG bengals were out of timeouts

I think the weather absolved Folk. The other kicker missed several too.

That said Folk has been very reliable the past few years but I think it's time to move on. His leg strength is becoming a problem especially when our kickoff specialist is hurt.

 

[TBR]

Stevenson's fumble really absolved Folk from missing 2 PATs.... He makes his PATs

22-6 becomes 22-7
22-12 becomes 22-14 (Pats wouldn't have had to go for 2 here to try to make it an 8 point game)
22-18 becomes 22-21

Only would have needed to kick a FG at the end and could have run down time by kneeling and kicked a FG bengals were out of timeouts

Did you step outside that day? The wind was absurd. And you're conveniently ignoring the Bengals' kicker leaving 4 points off the board.

Stevenson's fumble was far more inexcusable.

 

[Patsfan177a]

Stevenson's fumble really absolved Folk from missing 2 PATs.... He makes his PATs

22-6 becomes 22-7
22-12 becomes 22-14 (Pats wouldn't have had to go for 2 here to try to make it an 8 point game)
22-18 becomes 22-21

Only would have needed to kick a FG at the end and could have run down time by kneeling and kicked a FG bengals were out of timeouts

I was waiting for someone to notice this. If we make even 2 of 3 PATs, a FG will win it. One of 3 and it ties the game.

 

[signbabybrady]

I was waiting for someone to notice this. If we make even 2 of 3 PATs, a FG will win it. One of 3 and it ties the game.

I can promise you most of us on here noticed it.

 

[Patsfan177a]

I can promise you most of us on here noticed it.

Yeah I can promise you I believed you can count. But it was a simple way to a win, and about things this team could control that could not be blamed on Mac, hence the silence from some.