Mac being labeled dirty

[Tunescribe]

This is how Mac began his NFL career in start #3, crying on the bench after a loss.



A year later, in start #3, he's crying over an injury on his way to lockeroom.



A year ago, in start #9 after a strip sack, he does this.



A year later, in start #4 he does this.



Now, in start #12 after another strip sack he does this.



Toolscribe's reaction:



This man is not emotionally mature and is going to get his head knocked off if he keeps up this bush league level of play. It's embarrassing but you guys continue to make excuses.

Every week, sometimes daily, you scrounge up another reason to belittle and condemn Mac Jones. Today he's a dirty player and emotionally immature. Last week it was because he misses open receivers. Before that it was for calling out the OC, bad mechanics, poor pocket presence, no arm strength, terrible decision making, too many interceptions, too few touchdown passes, being timid -- on and on and on.

You actually hate the kid, there is no denying it. You don't want him to succeed as the Patriots' starting quarterback, that is clear. Originally it was because he isn't Bailey Zappe. Lately, it's because you simply detest Mac and have decided to criticize his play in a vacuum vs. through false comparisons -- cobbling together PFF stats, this reason, that reason, etc., etc. -- whatever serves The Agenda.

Your ongoing problem, Veneclown, is being unaware of how little you really know. Ian, myself and others have patiently attempted to enlighten you on quarterback performance drawing largely from a team-oriented mosaic of coaching, offensive line play, receiver route running, scheme, play design and situational variables a la score/time/field position/down and distance. BB's terrible decision to put Matt Patricia and Joe Judge in charge of the offense skewed all for the worse. Yet presented with this obvious fact you dismiss it as "excuse-making" for what you believe is Mac's incompetence as an individual player.

No, Mac Jones has not performed well this season; he has regressed. How much of this is his fault? Probably some but not much. As a rookie, he led New England to the playoffs as the NFL's 13th-ranked passer in a top-10 offense. With two games to go he is ranked 19th among quarterbacks on an offense ranked 24th in yards gained. Ask yourself what has changed.

Personally, I am not invested in Mac as the Patriots' starter now or going forward; I don't care who plays behind center as long as it leads to wins. But I also am aware he was dealt a raw deal this season making it impossible to assess his true potential. Because of that he deserves the benefit of a doubt.

You have resorted to calling me "tool" for these observations. But adopting a shaky premise and continually doubling down on it with even shakier conjecture just makes you look like ... well, the clown that you are.

 

[Triumph]

I'm sure Mac did not know the rule. Why would he?

Agreed.

He doesn't know how to play QB either.

 

[venecol]

Every week, sometimes daily, you scrounge up another reason to belittle and condemn Mac Jones. Today he's a dirty player and emotionally immature. Last week it was because he misses open receivers. Before that it was for calling out the OC, bad mechanics, poor pocket presence, no arm strength, terrible decision making, too many interceptions, too few touchdown passes, being timid -- on and on and on.

You actually hate the kid, there is no denying it. You don't want him to succeed as the Patriots' starting quarterback, that is clear. Originally it was because he isn't Tom Brady, then it was because he isn't Bailey Zappe. But those ships have sailed (or at least Zappe's is moored for the moment). Lately it's because you simply detest Mac and have decided to criticize his play in a vacuum vs. through false comparisons -- cobbling together PFF stats, this reason, that reason, etc., etc. -- whatever serves The Agenda.

Your ongoing problem, Veneclown, is being unaware of how little you really know. Ian, myself and others have patiently attempted to enlighten you on quarterback performance drawing largely from a team-oriented mosaic of coaching, offensive line play, receiver route running, scheme, play design and situational variables a la score/time/field position/down and distance. BB's terrible decision to put Matt Patricia and Joe Judge in charge of the offense skewed all for the worse. Yet presented with this obvious fact you dismiss it as "excuse-making" for what you believe is Mac's incompetence as an individual player.

No, Mac Jones has not performed well this season; he has regressed. How much of this is his fault? Probably some but not much. As a rookie, he led New England to the playoffs as the NFL's 13th-ranked passer in a top-10 offense. With two games to go he is ranked 19th among quarterbacks on an offense ranked 24th in yards gained. Ask yourself what has changed.

Personally, I am not invested in Mac as the Patriots' starter now or going forward; I don't care who plays behind center as long as it leads to wins. But I also am aware he was dealt a raw deal this season making it impossible to assess his true potential. Because of that he deserves the benefit of a doubt.

You have resorted to calling me "tool" for these observations. But adopting a shaky premise and continually doubling down on it with even shakier conjecture just makes you look like ... well, the clown that you are.

Nice ramble but this thread is about a real life event where Mac is being fined for what many consider to be a dirty play. If you disagree with the fine then say so but stay on topic man. The rest of your post is nonsense or as a well respected character once said.

 

[Tunescribe]

Nice ramble but this thread is about a real life event where Mac is being fined for what many consider to be a dirty play. If you disagree with the fine then say so but stay on topic man. The rest of your post is nonsense or as a well respected character once said.

I addressed the play saying he should be fined and he was. As for veering OT, look in the mirror -- posts #79, #105, you couldn't resist piling on. Once again you invited being put on the spot and have nothing. Typical.

 

[venecol]

I addressed the play saying he should be fined and he was. As for veering OT, look in the mirror -- posts #79, #105, you couldn't resist piling on. Once again you invited being put on the spot and have nothing. Typical.

I am not even going to dignify that with a response.

 

[captain stone]

Corky = the Ken Linesman of the 2022 NEP. This isn't a compliment, for those here too young to remember. Think of all of Brad Marchand's suspension-worthy acts, then think of him without nearly the talent, and that was Kenny the Rat Linesman... Now think of Linesman without nearly the talent that even he had, but playing QB in the NFL, and that's Corky... They both like to dish it out when dudes aren't looking, but can't take it when they have to go face-to-face with them; they instead cower-up like punk-ass b!tches. As Jed Clampett would say, Pitiful... Piiiteeeful.

 

[Tunescribe]

I am not even going to dignify that with a response.

You just did and you have nothing, because your empty agenda has been exposed.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I don’t agree with the over the top criticizing of Mac and his aggressiveness. I’d prefer the competitive fire to a sheeple.

I’ve always been a Mac supporter even though I believe Zappe was the better option this year to win games. I do think Mac is a franchise QB working in a bad environment.

I like his aggressiveness as well, and I like players who will mix it up, but I don’t like stupid/dirty, and he’s got about 4-5 of those plays already in his career. Whether he’s a franchise QB or not is still an unknown. He’s definitely not one athletically, which means that’s going to come down to decision making and playmaking. And while he has shown glimpses of those abilities you have to win both consistently and in big games, and he done neither so far, but he hasn’t been helped by the coaches or his team on either case. And unless he gets them into the playoffs and wins some playoff games he will go into an open QB competition next year. And even though they are OK at WB right now that isn’t good enough to be great in the NFL, and that’s the goal, so even though they won’t have a really high pick in this draft I would be fine with them using a high pick, and even a first if they see a QB they believe can be great in this coming draft.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Dirty play by Brady, there’s no need at all to go cleats up like that.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The one thing I can say in defense of many of the stupid / dirty plays we see around the league is all that goes on during plays that we never see. And I think that in many cases what we are seeing that does get called is the retaliation, and I’m guessing it’s often less egregious than what instigated it.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Corky = the Ken Linesman of the 2022 NEP. This isn't a compliment, for those here too young to remember. Think of all of Brad Marchand's suspension-worthy acts, then think of him without nearly the talent, that's Kenny the Rat Linesman... Then think of Linesman without nearly the talent and playing QB in the NFL, that's Corky... They both like to dish it out when dudes aren't looking, but can't take it when they've had to go face-to-face; they instead cower-up like punk-ass b!tches. As Jed Clampett would say, pitiful... piiiteeeful.

Linesman was far more productive than you give him credit for - especially in the playoffs.

Mac may be evolving into an agitator but has a ways to go to share the same success as The Rat did.

Mac's issue is he needs to grow up.

 

[crawhammer]

Do we know what Mac did after the Stevenson fumble to earn the personal foul? Which was a pretty damaging penalty by the way.

 

[archstanton543]

Do we know what Mac did after the Stevenson fumble to earn the personal foul? Which was a pretty damaging penalty by the way.

Pulled a guy off the pile.

 

[crawhammer]

Pulled a guy off the pile.

Is there a video?

 

[archstanton543]

Is there a video?

I'm sure you can find someone with the clip on the internet.

 

[ahmed]

Multiple national shows on ESPN and Fox today talking about this (not his or Pats play) with everyone of them labeling Mac a dirty player. Every show had a former player labeling the play and Mac dirty and said retaliation is a real thing.

That basically cements his reputation at least until he proves otherwise. Perception once set is very hard to change.

 

[venecol]

Multiple national shows on ESPN and Fox today talking about this (not his or Pats play) with everyone of them labeling Mac a dirty player. Every show had a former player labeling the play and Mac dirty and said retaliation is a real thing.

That basically cements his reputation at least until he proves otherwise. Perception once set is very hard to change.

Yea, they must all be Mac haters with an agenda. Gotta be. Right?

Here's two more players.

Two more players come out in labeling Mac Jones as ‘dirty’

A five-time Pro Bowler and two-time Super Bowl champion have both called out Mac Jones.

sports.yahoo.com

 

[Thelonious]

Because it really was obviously unnecessary, affording no actual benefit to the team, I think it was a dirty play, a cheap shot. If I were he, I'd apologize. There has been a lot of talk from former and current players about payback. Quarterbacks are vulnerable, so not only was the play dirty; it was just plain stupid. Get it together, Mac.

 

[Trolltolls]

Mac better better be aware after interceptions now or he could get annihilated

 

[ahmed]

Because it really was obviously unnecessary, affording no actual benefit to the team, I think it was a dirty play, a cheap shot. If I were he, I'd apologize. There has been a lot of talk from former and current players about payback. Quarterbacks are vulnerable, so not only was the play dirty; it was just plain stupid. Get it together, Mac.

Another thing I find weird is he never apologizes, for these plays when it is clearly the right thing to do, for PR if nothing else. I say weird because he normally apologies for things he does not need to at all like when he blamed himself for the lateral last week because he could not tackle Jones.