Official 2022 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[VectorPrime]

I think I said this months ago but now I’m really adamant, I hope the Bucs go 2-15 the year Brady leaves. It’ll make him look better and it’ll punish those losers.

 

[crawhammer]

They posted a stat about Brady and passing game last night, talking about 10+ air yard passes. It was intended to put Brady in a poor light over the ints, and I think they got the stat wrong, but I think that stat as they posted it really highlighted the problem for the Bucs, and for other teams with serious OL struggles. It was after the second INT, I think, and it was something to the tune of Brady being 1 for 4 with 2 INTs on passes of more than 10+ air yards.

The bottom line is that you can't throw downfield if your QB can't be protected. And this is nothing new to Patriots fans. We saw this in 2019, just as 2013 showed us that you have to have at least some NFL talent at the WR position or your QB is going to suffer for it.

Who is Brady throwing to down field? Stone hands Miller? Julio's not a down field threat anymore. And Evans is total garbage this season. Between that and the pass protection issues, their passing game this season is inherently limited to short and intermediate throws.

 

[venecol]

Who is Brady throwing to down field? Stone hands Miller? Julio's not a down field threat anymore. And Evans is total garbage this season. Between that and the pass protection issues, their passing game this season is inherently limited to short and intermediate throws.

You're making too many excuses for Brady. Yes, the OL has not held up, the OC lacks creativity, the run game is non-existent but Brady has also had bad games. He hasn't been as accurate on his deep passes. Brady is still a good QB and has overcome some of these challenges because of it but he's also been off.

We need to be consistent. We can't hold Mac accountable for his poor play despite a lot of the same issues that Brady is facing but then absolve Brady. That just makes you a blind homer.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I can't understand what the issue is with Evans. After 3 years together he should be on the same page as Brady. Evans is on a different chapter.

 

[crawhammer]

You're making too many excuses for Brady. Yes, the OL has not held up, the OC lacks creativity, the run game is non-existent but Brady has also had bad games. He hasn't been as accurate on his deep passes. Brady is still a good QB and has overcome some of these challenges because of it but he's also been off.

We need to be consistent. We can't hold Mac accountable for his poor play despite a lot of the same issues that Brady is facing but then absolve Brady. That just makes you a blind homer.

Mac is 5-7 with 9 TDs, 8 INTs, 0 fourth quarter comebacks, and 0 game-winning drives.

Brady is 7-8 with 21 TDs, 9 INTs, 3 fourth quarter comebacks, and 4 game-winning drives.

Even in a down season Brady is still having a far more impressive season than Mac.

 

[crawhammer]

I can't understand what the issue is with Evans. After 3 years together he should be on the same page as Brady. Evans is on a different chapter.

Evans may be suffering from Bowles syndrome. Clearly Arians was a much better motivator. Evans looks like he needs a fire lit under his ass and that's not coming from sleepy Bowles. From day one this season, Evans has looked disengaged, then he lost his composure in week 2, looked invested for one week after his suspension, but then has fallen off a cliff since. He's a liability at this point, which is ridiculous in consideration of his value in 2020 and 2021.

 

[venecol]

Mac is 5-7 with 9 TDs, 8 INTs, 0 fourth quarter comebacks, and 0 game-winning drives.

Brady is 7-8 with 21 TDs, 9 INTs, 3 fourth quarter comebacks, and 4 game-winning drives.

Even in a down season Brady is still having a far more impressive season than Mac.

Nobody is arguing that. You consistently blame everyone and everything else for Brady's drop in production. At the same time, you don't do the same with Mac. Though you do acknowledge the OL, OC failures for Mac, you allocated the blame as follows:

55% on Belichick, Patricia and Judge
28% on Mac
17% other

With Brady it's like:

90% on Bowles, Leftwich
0% on Brady
10% other

You just come across the same way the Mac-apologists do, blind homerism.

 

[VectorPrime]

Nobody is arguing that. You consistently blame everyone and everything else for Brady's drop in production. At the same time, you don't do the same with Mac. Though you do acknowledge the OL, OC failures for Mac, you allocated the blame as follows:

55% on Belichick, Patricia and Judge
28% on Mac
17% other

With Brady it's like:

90% on Bowles, Leftwich
0% on Brady
10% other

You just come across the same way the Mac-apologists do, blind homerism.

That math checks out to me.

 

[RicoG]

That math checks out to me.

I'd say 50% Bowles/Leftwhich
30% OL
10% Evans
10% Brady

 

[RicoG]

I can't understand what the issue is with Evans. After 3 years together he should be on the same page as Brady. Evans is on a different chapter.

Of Brady's 9 interceptions, my guesstimate are 6 of them were on throws to Evans.

If Evans were Gronk/Edelman, I'm certain they would have caught or broken up 3 of those 6 interceptions. Many of those interceptions, Evans was either not looking for the ball, looking the wrong way, running a different route then Brady expected, or slow to adjust(to at least break up an int) on an errant throw.

 

[crawhammer]

Nobody is arguing that. You consistently blame everyone and everything else for Brady's drop in production. At the same time, you don't do the same with Mac. Though you do acknowledge the OL, OC failures for Mac, you allocated the blame as follows:

55% on Belichick, Patricia and Judge
28% on Mac
17% other

With Brady it's like:

90% on Bowles, Leftwich
0% on Brady
10% other

You just come across the same way the Mac-apologists do, blind homerism.

I stand by the Patriots percentages. The Vegas situation doesn't change it much because the coaches and players f*cked that up together. Including Mac on that feeble attempt at "tackling" Chandler Jones. Lots of equal blame to go around for that disgusting first half showing against the Bengals too. I'm not getting on Stevenson for the fumble. The conservative play-calling (and apparent lack of confidence in Mac) made that situation way too predictable and the Bengals defense also made a nice play.

Regarding the Tampa Bay blame pie:

55% on Bowles and Leftwich
15% on all components of the running game
10% o-line
10% injuries
5% other
5% Brady (I'm not putting more on a guy who has 4 game-winning drives out of 7 victories)

 

[venecol]

I stand by the Patriots percentages. The Vegas situation doesn't change it much because the coaches and players f*cked that up together. Including Mac on that feeble attempt at "tackling" Chandler Jones. Lots of equal blame to go around for that disgusting first half showing against the Bengals too. I'm not getting on Stevenson for the fumble. The conservative play-calling (and apparent lack of confidence in Mac) made that situation way too predictable and the Bengals defense also made a nice play.

Regarding the Tampa Bay blame pie:

55% on Bowles and Leftwich
15% on all components of the running game
10% o-line
10% injuries
5% other
5% Brady (I'm not putting more on a guy who has 4 game-winning drives out of 7 victories)

Thanks for making my point Bucs-Robo.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Nobody is arguing that. You consistently blame everyone and everything else for Brady's drop in production. At the same time, you don't do the same with Mac. Though you do acknowledge the OL, OC failures for Mac, you allocated the blame as follows:

55% on Belichick, Patricia and Judge
28% on Mac
17% other

With Brady it's like:

90% on Bowles, Leftwich
0% on Brady
10% other

You just come across the same way the Mac-apologists do, blind homerism.

Brady has been awful the last 4 games. He has been managing the situation well the first 11 games with only 4 turnovers. The last 4 games he has nine. 7 INT and 2 fumbles

 

[Guts]

Brady has been awful the last 4 games. He has been managing the situation well the first 11 games with only 4 turnovers. The last 4 games he has nine. 7 INT and 2 fumbles

Yup.
Not entirely his fault due to the Oline issues but he definitely needs to play better and he can. Thats what I'm mainly arguing about. I don't see drop-off physically, but some throws leave you scratching your head

 

[venecol]

Brady has been awful the last 4 games. He has been managing the situation well the first 11 games with only 4 turnovers. The last 4 games he has nine. 7 INT and 2 fumbles

He still has one of the lowest INT% (1.1) in the league (tied for #3). It's when they hurt you that it sucks, like against CIN. That was all on Brady.

 

[crawhammer]

Brady has been awful the last 4 games. He has been managing the situation well the first 11 games with only 4 turnovers. The last 4 games he has nine. 7 INT and 2 fumbles

"Awful" is too strong when he put the offense on his back and won two of those games. Every game he's opposing his own head coach as well as the other team.

 

[carmelo15]

Mac is 5-7 with 9 TDs, 8 INTs, 0 fourth quarter comebacks, and 0 game-winning drives.

Brady is 7-8 with 21 TDs, 9 INTs, 3 fourth quarter comebacks, and 4 game-winning drives.

Even in a down season Brady is still having a far more impressive season than Mac.

Speaking of Brady’s down season and another QB getting hype

 

[amfootball]

Speaking of Brady’s down season and another QB getting hype

I'll say it again. The man is 45. It is unreal what he is doing.

 

[venecol]

Speaking of Brady’s down season and another QB getting hype

Lol, someone is reading our posts on this forum.

 

[Deus Irae]

Lol, someone is reading our posts on this forum.

The question asked is silly, though.