Mac Jones last two weeks

[venecol]

Upstate making things up, as usual

Yup, he's the biggest liar on the forum. Figures he's from Buffalo.

 

[upstater1]

Upstate making things up, as usual

Make up your mind.

Do they have more talent or not?

Because they went 3-7 when their top 4 players were healthy.

It's bizarre that you knock Belichick for 7-7 with less talent.

So now we established the Patriots have less talent, but a better record

 

[upstater1]

Yup, he's the biggest liar on the forum. Figures he's from Buffalo.

You guys are hoping for 4-10!!

That's good to you.

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As for lying, you take the cake. You still going on about how you have proof Patricia called laterals? Absurd. Idiocy!

 

[All3Phases]

Make up your mind.

Do they have more talent or not?

Because they went 3-7 when their top 4 players were healthy.

It's bizarre that you knock Belichick for 7-7 with less talent.

So now we established the Patriots have less talent, but a better record

Care to say where I said which team has more or less talent? We can start there

 

[venecol]

I was just looking at the remaining schedules. There's a good possibility that CLE ends up with a better record (9-8) than the Pats (7-10). Wow, that would be something.

 

[PatsFan2]

I was just looking at the remaining schedules. There's a good possibility that CLE ends up with a better record (9-8) than the Pats (7-10). Wow, that would be something.

Good thing they don't need a QB.

 

[upstater1]

Care to say where I said which team has more or less talent? We can start there

Well, you said the Patriots have a lot of talent.
I interpreted that to mean you thought they had more talent. Apparently, I was wrong (according to your previous post where you said I made that up).
So, that must mean the Patriots do NOT have more talent or else you wouldn't have written that.

 

[All3Phases]

Well, you said the Patriots have a lot of talent.
I interpreted that to mean you thought they had more talent. Apparently, I was wrong (according to your previous post where you said I made that up).
So, that must mean the Patriots do NOT have more talent or else you wouldn't have written that.

Ok so you admitted you made that up, glad we can start there. Nowhere did I say the patriots had great talent and nowhere did I say it was better or worse than the rams.

Now, I have admitted it’s been an underachieving season, regardless of the massive amount of injuries and lost players to their Super Bowl team. Will you ever explain 79-88? Or are we going to stop using this logic?

 

[Pats2000]

He threw a pick 6, had balls batted down, threw another int, overall, it wasn't pretty. His stats: 9-16 76 yards 2 int and 4 balls batted down at the line.

I mean, when you compare his performance against Mac's 3 3and outs and that horrible pic he threw. Zappe at least got usinto the game and scored 2 TDs

 

[upstater1]

Ok so you admitted you made that up, glad we can start there. Nowhere did I say the patriots had great talent and nowhere did I say it was better or worse than the rams.

Now, I have admitted it’s been an underachieving season, regardless of the massive amount of injuries and lost players to their Super Bowl team. Will you ever explain 79-88? Or are we going to stop using this logic?

No, I said I interpreted one way that is apparently wrong, according to you.

I'll say it again: 3-7 with all their best players.

Belichick has never fallen into that kind of rut when he has the top player in football, 2 players up for league MVP, an All-Pro at CB, their top QB back.

Stafford, Kupp, Ramsey and Donald were there until just before Thanksgiving, so these excuses about their top players don't fly. 3-7

 

[All3Phases]

No, I said I interpreted one way that is apparently wrong, according to you.

This is another way to say you made it up for effect

I'll say it again: 3-7 with all their best players

I’ll say it again, they had a lackluster season, he’s been one of the 2 most successful coaches In the league over the last 5 years…does this tarnish that?

Belichick has never fallen into that kind of rut when he has the top player in football, 2 players up for league MVP, an All-Pro at CB, their top QB back.

All it took for Belichick was to lose his qb, to be under .500 in a 10 year sample…are you grading both the same or no? He was 5-13 in 2000 and 2001 with all that talent, so maybe he did fall into that type of rut and you forgot about it?

Stafford, Kupp, Ramsey and Donald were there until just before Thanksgiving, so these excuses about their top players don't fly. 3-7

I didn’t make excuses, I’ve acknowledged it’s been a down year, I’ve helped you acknowledge they aren’t as good roster wise as you think they are. But at least you’ve now used the logic that all you need is 4 good players to win

 

[upstater1]

1. This is another way to say you made it up for effect

2. I’ll say it again, they had a lackluster season, he’s been one of the 2 most successful coaches In the league over the last 5 years…does this tarnish that?

3. All it took for Belichick was to lose his qb, to be under .500 in a 10 year sample…are you grading both the same or no? He was 5-13 in 2000 and 2001 with all that talent, so maybe he did fall into that type of rut and you forgot about it?

4. I didn’t make excuses, I’ve acknowledged it’s been a down year, I’ve helped you acknowledge they aren’t as good roster wise as you think they are. But at least you’ve now used the logic that all you need is 4 good players to win

So much of this is wrong.

1. Wrong. Either way, it's immaterial since we now apparently both agree the Patriots have less talent.
2. 4-10 is horrible. Worse than lackluster.
3. All that talent in 2000 and 2001? Absurd. The NFL executives rated New England's talent by far the worst in the league. What are you even talking about? Absurd.
3. Brady was not a great QB in 2001. He was a game manager that year.
4. I provided a link that shows the Rams are judged to have a fantastic roster. I can provide many more links. They have those top 4 guys and many more, but we keep talking in New England that we have no difference makers, unlike them.
5. This year, Belichick is doing MORE with LESS than McVay. That much is indisputable.

 

[crawhammer]

He threw a pick 6, had balls batted down, threw another int, overall, it wasn't pretty. His stats: 9-16 76 yards 2 int and 4 balls batted down at the line.

You're being too negative. BOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[crawhammer]

Patsfans is sometimes bizarre.

All year long Belichick is lambasted for not having All-Pros on the roster.

Now the very people lambasting him are saying the Rams have even less talent than the Patriots.

Aaron Donald, the best player in the NFL!!
Matt Stafford, MVP candidate last year!!
Cooper Kupp, 1st team All-Pro
Jalen Ramsey, 1st team All-Pro

They have 4 guys who are in the top 22 players in the entire NFL, a player who received 1st place MVP vote, and these are the same people who bag on the Patriots for not even drafting a single Pro Bowler.

LAR may have the most injured roster in the history of the NFL.

 

[venecol]

I mean, when you compare his performance against Mac's 3 3and outs and that horrible pic he threw. Zappe at least got usinto the game and scored 2 TDs

I don't get using his performance in the CHI game to blast him. Sure, he had a pedestrian 67.4 rating. Mac's rating was an abominable 16.7, yet there's no mention of that despite Mac being the only QB to practice that week for the game.

 

[All3Phases]

So much of this is wrong.

1. Wrong. Either way, it's immaterial since we now apparently both agree the Patriots have less talent.
2. 4-10 is horrible. Worse than lackluster.

It’s almost as bad as 79-88

3. All that talent in 2000 and 2001? Absurd. The NFL executives rated New England's talent by far the worst in the league. What are you even talking about? Absurd.

Really? The 2001 team wasn’t talented? They didn’t have great players on the 2000 roster? Odd

3. Brady was not a great QB in 2001. He was a game manager that year.

Odd how they went from 5-13 to 11-3 instantly.

4. I provided a link that shows the Rams are judged to have a fantastic roster. I can provide many more links. They have those top 4 guys and many more, but we keep talking in New England that we have no difference makers, unlike them.

You provided a link of somebody’s opinion, before the season started.

5. This year, Belichick is doing MORE with LESS than McVay. That much is indisputable.

Over 10 years without Brady, Belichick has done less than most. See how easy this is…don’t you love handpicked samples? He’s done worse this year than last with more, they spent 200$ mil in FA to reload the roster, they have a DPOY candidate, this is less?

So you agree both are mediocre coaches at best. Glad we settled this

 

[TomPatriot]

Yup, he's the biggest liar on the forum. Figures he's from Buffalo.

Is he the same poster as upstater1?

 

[crawhammer]

I don't get using his performance in the CHI game to blast him. Sure, he had a pedestrian 67.4 rating. Mac's rating was an abominable 16.7, yet there's no mention of that despite Mac being the only QB to practice that week for the game.

Zappe wasn't expected to play at all this season. He's only had two starts with a 74.5 cmp%, 112.5 passer rating, and 2 Ws. He was playing in only the fourth NFL game of his life when he subbed for Mac in that Chicago game. The offense was electric for two drives and then the entire team collapsed. Eyeball test, the offense overall has looked better with Zappe. Mac has had 1 start of 11 that you could classify as really good. The coaching sucks, yes, but that's not going to change, so make a change where you can (at QB) right now to try to give the offense a much needed spark.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

I don't get using his performance in the CHI game to blast him. Sure, he had a pedestrian 67.4 rating. Mac's rating was an abominable 16.7, yet there's no mention of that despite Mac being the only QB to practice that week for the game.

I’ll give Mac a pass coming back too soon from injury and put it on the staff but at the same time Zappe should give absolved for coming in cold off of limited practice reps. Just an absolute failure in how Belichick handled things that week.

 

[ashley]

You're being too negative. BOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry Dave, I'll work on my attitude.