Mac Jones last two weeks

[PatsFan2]

You are going to extremely upset next year. You should prepare yourself for disappointment.

Fans at Gillette in 2023 IF Wac Jones is still the Starter.

Over Kraft's dead body.

 

[Rob0729]

Fans at Gillette in 2023 IF Wac Jones is still the Starter.

Over Kraft's dead body.

All indications says that Kraft is a Mac Jones fan and blames the coaching decisions.

 

[PatsFan2]

All indications says that Kraft is a Mac Jones fan and blames the coaching decisions.

Bledsoe was like a Son to Kraft too then Brady came along yeah it's a business.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Zappe time

 

[Rob0729]

Bledsoe was like a Son to Kraft too then Brady came along yeah it's a business.

If Jones plays like he did yesterday the rest of the way, maybe and I emphasize maybe, Kraft would ask for a change.

But who is the Brady who has come along to replace Jones? Kraft was on board trading Bledsoe after Brady won a Super Bowl. And Bledsoe netted the Pats a first round pick. So there was a strategic reason to trade Bledsoe.

 

[Carl_Lippbaum]

Mac's been bad this year. I agree with those who lament that we still don't know what we have with him. I think we know we don't have Allen/Hebert/Burrow. I think most would agree that it's probably not Darnold/Mayfield/Mariota bad either. Mac is in his own head right now. Patricia's offense has convinced Mac that he's a bad quarterback. Do they run this offense because they believe Mac is a bad QB or is it because Patricia is out of his element? I side more on the Patricia side myself, but I'd be hard pressed to prove the opposite.

 

[Ian]

If Jones plays like he did yesterday the rest of the way, maybe and I emphasize maybe, Kraft would ask for a change.

But who is the Brady who has come along to replace Jones? Kraft was on board trading Bledsoe after Brady won a Super Bowl. And Bledsoe netted the Pats a first round pick. So there was a strategic reason to trade Bledsoe.

Can't complete 13-of-31 and remain the starter. Fortunately, that's an anomaly and not the norm.

But yeah, regardless of how it ends, people need to level their expectations and not kick the next guy to the curb in year two the way people have with Mac. You can't love Zappe and then say, "he sucks" next season or the year after - if that's what it comes to - if a lot of these problems eventually cause him to hit a similar wall. Can't just quietly jump off his bandwagon and then churn through to the next guy. Unless people are excited about potentially becoming the Jets or the Jaguars. People need to gain some patience, and quick, otherwise we're in for a rough stretch in the coming years.

 

[crawhammer]

I don't think Mac is a lost cause, he has the physical tools.

I just question whether Zappe has more upside and mental toughness.

Mac is a snowflake, and his feeling seem to control him.

I question the physical tools but also agree he shouldn't be classified as a "lost cause." He and the passing offense are a disaster this season... coaching, play-calling, pass blocking, receivers and the quarterback to blame. All this while RB Stevenson is having a breakout season.

I agree too Mac looks mentally fried. I'm sure he's disappointed in his own play while also clearly being frustrated with the new offense, Patricia and the play-calling. Chandler Jones running him over is symbolic of how the entire season has gone for Jones. It's his best interests and the best interests of the team to put him on the bench for the final three games. He needs a mental reset and his deteriorating composure is not helping the team either. This also gives the team a better look at what Zappe can offer against stronger competition, which is an important assessment for future of the Patriots quarterback room.

 

[Pats2000]

Because I don't look at the end of last year superficially. He had good games and bad games during that stretch. Some of it wasn't all his fault either because the defense sucked.

Again you are just doing what the OP poster is doing, Take good games and bad games and lump them together to make the play look worse than it is. How can you completely blame him for the Bills games when (which he was ok in the playoffs) when the defense didn't force the Bills to punt in two full games? That is why I don't do superficial analysis like this.

What's your unsuperficial analysis then? Because I'm seeing the same issues he had last year that a better OC covered up.

Mechanics are bad, especially when hurried, but bad a lot
Doesn't recognize the blitz or where pressure is coming from
Accuracy drops way down when he's off platform
Has trouble reading good defenses
Doesn't keep his eyes downfield
Doesn't have great pocket presence

 

[Twentytothree]

The year isn't over yet I have Vegas bet on Mac. They let you bet on anything.

A 2 TD game? What are the odds?

 

[Rob0729]

What's your unsuperficial analysis then? Because I'm seeing the same issues he had last year that a better OC covered up.

Mechanics are bad, especially when hurried, but bad a lot
Doesn't recognize the blitz or where pressure is coming from
Accuracy drops way down when he's off platform
Has trouble reading good defenses
Doesn't keep his eyes downfield
Doesn't have great pocket presence

But none of this say he is the reason for the offense is so bad this year. We can do all this for for the o-line, the coaching, the receivers, etc.

Yes, Jones has regressed this year. Most of the stuff you listed as negatives this year were his strengths last year. What changed? Last year he was praised for his accuracy, his pocket presence, his ability to see the field, his ability to go through his progressions, etc. The fact that his strengths have become weaknesses is the biggest indictment on Patricia.

Jones has been part of the problem this year. For most of the season, he has been far less than the coaching and the o-line. And the fact that he has regressed so much usually goes to coaching.

 

[Patnation21]

His weapons are not very good, they didn't prioritize getting him a number 1 WR and it shows. Instead they went and signed Gingerbread Parker who crumbles every year and misses 4+ games. Parker is a number 3 WR acting as a number 1.

I'm not even sure how much of a difference it makes anyway as I've never been a Mac Jones guy, he's not someone I want leading my team for 15+ years but they needed to give him a real shot at least by getting him some legit weapons and they failed miserably.

 

[Pats2000]

But none of this say he is the reason for the offense is so bad this year. We can do all this for for the o-line, the coaching, the receivers, etc.

Yes, Jones has regressed this year. Most of the stuff you listed as negatives this year were his strengths last year. What changed? Last year he was praised for his accuracy, his pocket presence, his ability to see the field, his ability to go through his progressions, etc. The fact that his strengths have become weaknesses is the biggest indictment on Patricia.

Jones has been part of the problem this year. For most of the season, he has been far less than the coaching and the o-line. And the fact that he has regressed so much usually goes to coaching.

What i listed were not his strengths last year. The fact that you think they were, means you don't have the ability to do any analysis

 

[Uptown]

Like Mac, but he ain’t the guy..

 

[patsinthesnow]

And that's misleading. Throw out last week because he was 24-of-35 (68.6%) for 235-yards and his pick was on a batted pass.

However, yesterday was so bad, it makes the "two weeks" look bad. He was decent last week. Yesterday was his career-worst, eclipsing his previous worst game, which was the second Buffalo outing last season (14-of-32 [43.8%] 145yds 2 INTs). Definitely brutal.

Jones completed 68.6% of his passes last week against the Cardinals. He was 24 for 35 for 235, 0 TDs, and 1 INT. Not great numbers, but not bad numbers especially when you factor the INT wasn't his fault and the Pats ran the ball for two scores (one was a first and goal off a 39 yard pass from Jones to Henry).

Yesterday was an awful game for Jones, but I am not sure why you are combining the two games to make it look like last week's game was also a bad game for Jones.

Cardinals pass defense

237.6 YPG (23rd)
7.1 YPA (18th)
69.7% comp pct. against (32nd)
99.0 passer rating against (30th)
25 TDs (30th)
43.2 third down pct. (25th)

Their #1 CB Byron Murphy was inactive. The pats scored 20 points & went 3/11 on 3rd down. Mac was not good vs. them IMO.

 

[ahmed]

My opinion last year was Mac will not be an elite or even top 10 QB just because he is missing too many critical things - he freezes in the face of pressure, does not seem confident and has a weak arm.

That said, coaching matters especially for a young QB. Making Patricia and Judge hid coaches was setting him up to fail. It is simply not fair to judge him this year. It was always going to be a ****show when that happened.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Cardinals pass defense

237.6 YPG (23rd)
7.1 YPA (18th)
69.7% comp pct. against (32nd)
99.0 passer rating against (30th)
25 TDs (30th)
43.2 third down pct. (25th)

Their #1 CB Byron Murphy was inactive. The pats scored 20 points & went 3/11 on 3rd down. Mac was not good vs. them IMO.

mac jones and clutch are words you can not use in the same sentence. He can't make plays if a play breakes down or sth.

 

[Rob0729]

What i listed were not his strengths last year. The fact that you think they were, means you don't have the ability to do any analysis

Yes they were. Not all of them. But a lot of them. He had excellent pocket presence for a rookie. He had great accuracy. He was able to go through his progression effectively. If anything he was too fast at times.

His problems last year were he could get sped up on blitzes (not unique for him as a rookie QB) and deep passes.

You do realize that Jones spread around the ball quite a bit last year because he was very good at finding the open receiver. He had six receivers with 28 catches or more. That is the same amount as Brady in 2018 and 2019. And no I am not saying he is anything like Brady. Just giving an example how Jones spread around the ball and found the open man.

My recollection of Jones is clearly more spot on than your’s. But I am remembering the guy who nearly beat Romo’s rookie completion record and was almost OROY. You seem to remember Jones as a guy much like he is this year.

 

[Rob0729]

Cardinals pass defense

237.6 YPG (23rd)
7.1 YPA (18th)
69.7% comp pct. against (32nd)
99.0 passer rating against (30th)
25 TDs (30th)
43.2 third down pct. (25th)

Their #1 CB Byron Murphy was inactive. The pats scored 20 points & went 3/11 on 3rd down. Mac was not good vs. them IMO.

He was good vs them. Not great.

 

[zipster9]

Last 3 games: Phins, Bengals, Bills.

Yields ---> 7-10. (last place)

OC --> Stinks
BilB --> No longer effective
OL coach --> Pathetic

Mac Jones --> Not a high-caliber QB