Bill Belichick: Highest Paid Coach in North American Sports at $20m per

[PatsFan2]

With the economy sliding harder into recession, and BB's exorbitant price, does Kraft come to a mutual "parting" with BB this offseason?
If so, can he woo Payton from the grasp of Jerry? That's the only guy I'd want to take over right now.
If not him, then I want BB to agree to a 2yr succession plan with Mayo as DC/HC-in waiting, and a legit new blood OC.

I would love Sean Payton to be BB's successor.

 

[Real fan 02]

Trades for guys like Ramsey and Hopkins require a large amount of draft capital (and money). You also need the opposing team to want to get rid of those players and how they would fit on your team.

Why would Hopkins or Ramsey want to come here with the dysfunction this team has shown this year? The Rams don’t build through the draft, they build through FA and trades. Why would they want to get rid of Ramsey?

We could sit here all day throwing out all pro names we’d like to see here but it’s not really logical to think it would happen.

You could make that case for any top end receiver! Why would they want to come here or any franchise that seemingly isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

The reality in what I'm saying is we need guys like that. An owner if the teams want to make a deal can do anything they want. The rams proved that. Owners have billions, doesn't mean they want to spend it. And it's has nothing to do with why would a team want to get rid of a player, it's all on if the two franchises want to make it happen.. I've learned in the NFL any deal can happen if the respective teams want it too!

We all know we got away with lesser talent due to 12, he was the equalizer.

That can no longer happen, talent is what wins in the NFL not just a legendary coach that succeeded largely from having 12.

 

[Pape]

Again, their odds to win the 2020 super bowl before Brady signed was about the same...Your opinion on the roster is just that. You are obsessed with the eye candy of the receivers, without realizing the team sucked before he got there.

Do yards equate to being a good team? Remember when you didnt care about meaningless stats and only results?

I am making the argument that they were a team nobody thought was good until Brady joined them, he couldve went 20 different places and you wouldve said the same, including here.

This is irrelevant to my argument. In 2021, they had the 2nd ranked defense and 6th ranked offense in the league, imagine adding a super star qb to that!

Does production equate to being a good team? Yes. Actually it does. When compared to the record, what does one do? Helps identify the issue or issues that are causing the disconnect between the production and wins/losses... In this case, one of the main issues was the quarterback. No doubt about it. As much as you want to hide from the obvious, its kinda hard to do that when its staring you right in the face.

After the 2019 season BA stated "the Bucs can win with Winston at quarterback, or with someone else." A direct quote from the head coach that the qb play was an issue. So there isn't any meat left on the bone left for you to flesh out your "argument".

And the 2021 Patriots differ from the 2022 Patriots how? All of the issues I commented on. Its its literally not irrelevant. Especially losing Josh McDaniels.

 

[upstater1]

I did watch the game. Brady was great in the 2nd half. And you're doing 2 things:

You're acting like 2001 Peyton was the same as 04 Peyton, which he wasn't

And you're ignoring that again, that game was in a blizzard... Peyton used to suck in the snow...

And lastly, Peyton would be throwing to David Patten and Bethel Johnson instead of Marvin Harrison

We're doing this again? They changed the rules in 2004. Which is why offensive numbers exploded! 2001 was Peyton's 4th yr. in the league. The Colts had the 2nd best offense in the league behind the Rams, Greatest Show on Turf. Granted, the Colts used to give up 40 points a game, but Peyton didn't play defense.

 

[upstater1]

I gave you the spending by year, that included 2019 and 2020. Not sure what youre missing. You dont have to count 2016 if you dont want to, look at the other years.

Here's another article: A LOSING FORMULA: Patriots salary-cap problems begin with the draft

This is you agreeing with me btw

???

This whole discussion has only been about 1 yr.

I've said multiple times that the Patriots broke from practice.

Everyone knows this.

We all know how Belichick typically likes to do it.

He never blows it out the way he did, but for the final Super Bowl, he maxed his old vets and went for it.

 

[lancerman]

But you keep going back to the roster, do you think Kraft enjoys having bad value on his budget? Its a forum debate, none of it matters...But we can talk about why one guy is the highest paid coach in the league based off his past, but he doesnt hold that standard for everybody else...Regardless of whos money it is, somebody cares

Because the obvious answer is that you don't have a salary cap to weigh the coach against while you need to allot for the entire roster with the salary cap.

 

[Boomer B]

You could make that case for any top end receiver! Why would they want to come here or any franchise that seemingly isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

The reality in what I'm saying is we need guys like that. An owner if the teams want to make a deal can do anything they want. The rams proved that. Owners have billions, doesn't mean they want to spend it. And it's has nothing to do with why would a team want to get rid of a player, it's all on if the two franchises want to make it happen.. I've learned in the NFL any deal can happen if the respective teams want it too!

We all know we got away with lesser talent due to 12, he was the equalizer.

That can no longer happen, talent is what wins in the NFL not just a legendary coach that succeeded largely from having 12.

I hear ya. I’m not questioning whether we need a top WR like Hopkins - we do. I’ve been preaching that for a long time. The league has changed, you need talent at the skill positions.

I just don’t think it’s likely to happen with BB. Ramsey cost 2 #1’s and huge contract. Top WRs are valuable, not many teams will want to give them up. And BB has never really been the type to give a WR $20m +.

So not only would you need to find a trade partner and have the player be ok with coming here, but you would have to have BB be willing to give up top picks and big $ which isn’t the way he generally works. To me it’s just not realistic.

 

[captain stone]

I would love Hopkins here for even two years he'll be 31 I like the original thought he can still ball at a high level in this league. I hope he doesn't go off on us Monday night.

If not him, then it'll more likely than not be somebody else... Unless Kyler Midget has an even worse game that I know he's capable of having... That might be our only hope...

 

[Real fan 02]

I would love Sean Payton to be BB's successor.

It's because we call Belichick the GOAT.

A strong measure of being the GOAT in any team sport is if your success is too strongly tied to one other person.

You know people wanted to see Brady win without Bill? Well Brady did.

So people wanna see Belichick do something without Brady - especially since Belichick has the reputation of being a guy "that can win with anyone".

If the Pats don't return to being a real threat, it won't look good for Bill. Because then the question will be "how do we know you would have been the GOAT if you didn't have Brady for 20 years?"

Especially since some of those coaches you brought up... their QBs didn't last 20 years. Landry could have 6 rings if Staubach didn't play for only 9 seasons...

Also, those coaches still had deep playoff runs without their Best QBs. Landry still made multiple title games and NFL championships without Staubach.

Belichick has 1 playoff win out of 10 seasons without Brady.

That is why Many of us fans are critical, and downright upset at the way the season has gone. We want to see our team have success getting back to quality football. Ultimately this equates to BB being successful post TB

Bill is a like a chemist he tries certain equations to see how they will work. He chose the wrong side of the ball to do so.

No other QB other than TB, who Thrived off that 6 round draft status,

( funny he left here with 6 rings each for the rounds he was passed in)

Could have lasted so long with the grind, the pressure the mental taxing put on by BB In this organization.

As Rodney Harrison stated they were coaches on the field. They held players accountable.

That is Sorely lacking with this team wich goes back to BB.. 90% I'd say of the issues are on offense. Mac was drafted at 15 for a reason. This team has enough on offense to be able look like a competent NFL offense. They look confused, unsure of themselves, and frustrated to me.

The hope is somehow someway the chemist can concoct a potion for winning or the investors in the krafts will pull the plug on the operation.

 

[Real fan 02]

I hear ya. I’m not questioning whether we need a top WR like Hopkins - we do. I’ve been preaching that for a long time. The league has changed, you need talent at the skill positions.

I just don’t think it’s likely to happen with BB. Ramsey cost 2 #1’s and huge contract. Top WRs are valuable, not many teams will want to give them up. And BB has never really been the type to give a WR $20m +.

So not only would you need to find a trade partner and have the player be ok with coming here, but you would have to have BB be willing to give up top picks and big $ which isn’t the way he generally works. To me it’s just not realistic.

Yes, your absolutely correct! Funny thing is this team has enough on offense to be able to move the ball and score. They show signs at times, but then it goes right back to square 1.

I believe that after the last game of the season after another blow out loss to Buffalo.

RK is going to be frustrated enough by a culmination of how the season has gone, the ineptitude on offense, not making the playoffs after making it a season ago.

That he will make a executive decision to urge BB to make coaching changes or he himself will!

So with that being said there are ways to aquire talent on offense and defense.. not trading for roqan Smith was another blunder. Next season Bill O'Brien or nick Caley or some sort of offensive minded coach needs to take hold of this offense.

Target via draft or free agency a bona-fide target for Mac

Target another physical ball hawk at corner via draft or free agency!

just my thoughts and feelings on it.

 

[1960Pats]

I agree with you there - that's the one move I'll always disagree with. Should have stuck with Tom until the wheels came off. But "it is what it is".

Unfortunately, what it is is that Brady has 7 rings and the Pats still have 6, the same as the Steelers. Had Bill just given him a chance it's possible that the Pats and Brady could have won their 7th together.
I'm still wondering why it happened. It didn't appear that Bill was ready for him to leave.

 

[Real fan 02]

If not him, then it'll more likely than not be somebody else... Unless Kyler Midget has an even worse game that I know he's capable of having... That might be our only hope...

Hopkins because of his age seems the more likely, he's still a burner and has elite route running ability, hear he's a great locker room guy and big in the community. Perfect patriot to me! He'd unlock this seemingly locked up offense. Imagine him on one side Thornton on the other!

 

[Real fan 02]

Unfortunately, what it is is that Brady has 7 rings and the Pats still have 6, the same as the Steelers. Had Bill just given him a chance it's possible that the Pats and Brady could have won their 7th together.
I'm still wondering why it happened. It didn't appear that Bill was ready for him to leave.

It's still unreal, I definitely urge people to read the Seth wickersham material. It's first person accounts of Brady, BB and Kraft. It appeared Brady grew weary of BB, and the teams unwillingness to add talent.

I'll say that 2019-2020 season had we been able to keep brown, Gordon we definitely would have at least got to another AFC title game

 

[1960Pats]

Goff, Stidham or anyone else wins that game. It's not the point about switching Brady to the Rams. If prime Manning played for the Rams, maybe Brady doesn't have a 6th Super Bowl!

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts then every day would be Christmas.

How many times does a QB have to gag before he's known as a choker? The funny thing is that it wasn't just the Pats who gave PEDton so much trouble, so did the Steelers.

 

[1960Pats]

And beyond...

The whole We pick at the bottom of every round every year excuse just isn't true anyway... Look how often Bill has moved during the course of a draft, pretty much Every year...

The later pick excuse is like the cap excuse or any other excuse. It's a crutch.
For me the draft's a crap shoot anyway so I want more picks. Bill's good at that.

 

[lancerman]

We're doing this again? They changed the rules in 2004. Which is why offensive numbers exploded! 2001 was Peyton's 4th yr. in the league. The Colts had the 2nd best offense in the league behind the Rams, Greatest Show on Turf. Granted, the Colts used to give up 40 points a game, but Peyton didn't play defense.

I mean let's be real, there was the GSOT and everyone else that year

 

[SVN]

I would love Sean Payton to be BB's successor.

He had a lot of 7-9 seasons and some 9-7 season too. Couldnt win more than 1 SB or even get to more than one with brees. People who are impatient with BB after 3 yrs and 1 losing season post brady will be in for a surprise .

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Unfortunately, what it is is that Brady has 7 rings and the Pats still have 6, the same as the Steelers. Had Bill just given him a chance it's possible that the Pats and Brady could have won their 7th together.
I'm still wondering why it happened. It didn't appear that Bill was ready for him to leave.

Read that last link and just think of what the payroll would have been with TB. We would have had to trade/cut some good players to pay Tom and it would have weakened the roster even more than it did. I think Tom saw that and wanted to leave or BB knew that and didn't want to pay Tom to weaken the roster. Either way I don't think it would have worked.

 

[upstater1]

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts then every day would be Christmas.

How many times does a QB have to gag before he's known as a choker? The funny thing is that it wasn't just the Pats who gave PEDton so much trouble, so did the Steelers.

You just gave a bunch of ifs in your previous post. You were speculating.

 

[upstater1]

If ifs and buts were candy and nuts then every day would be Christmas.

How many times does a QB have to gag before he's known as a choker? The funny thing is that it wasn't just the Pats who gave PEDton so much trouble, so did the Steelers.

Did you stop watching Manning in 2004?

The guy improved. He became a different QB

He wasn't Brady, but he became a top all time QB in the NFL