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[Pats2000]

Yeah that’s who I was referring to. I’m on my phone so I couldn’t make out the number very well. He could have set up a lemonade stand and made $5 back there while waiting for the ball. It should have been thrown. That’s why just putting the entire blame for the offense’s struggles on one area or one coach, though they both deserve blame, is lazy. Mac has been a very real problem, too.

He panicks easily and loses sight of the field. That's the one thing I really liked about Zappe whether he's better or not, he kept his eyes downfield and tended to see the whole field even under pressure

 

[Rob0729]

Play was to Hunter. He looked the wrong way but it's someone else's fault he looked the wrong way. Even Mac has said he needs to improve where his eyes look.

There is zero evidence that it was supposed to go to Hunter. Who said it was supposed to go to him.

And even if it was supposed to go to Henry, he didn’t look back for the ball until it was too late because Brown missed his block.

 

[h0c2000]

Right after he set his feet, he had someone open in the back of the end zone. He’d had to lead him a bit inside, but that was a missed touchdown. I wonder if he just doesn’t trust his arm strength to get the ball there before the DB covering the flat made a break on it.

Onwenu looked like me trying to block Von Miller there.

 

[Rob0729]

Yeah they can. In fact, Allen had a TD pass on an almost identical throw against the Patriots last year.

I do agree with you that Mac doesnt have the arm to fit it in there though. It would have been intercepted.

Josh Allen didn’t throw a ball across his body 50-60 yards. That is physically impossible. He might have thrown across the field 50 yards, but that would be a case where he had time to turn his body to face the receiver.

Jones didn’t have time to change direction to face Bourne in the end zone.

 

[venecol]

What was parker doing there? he kept moving further out of bounds.

I don't think he could catch a pass once he stepped oob in the EZ so he took himself out of the play. HH had a TD called back for the same reason. Probably coached to do exactly that. I suppose he could've tried to break up the almost INT but not sure if that would've been a penalty.

 

[crawhammer]

What was parker doing there? he kept moving further out of bounds.

The players haven't bought in. You can see it right there, Parker literally stood out of bounds and didn't move. Belichick's punting from midfield in the 4th, down 17 points. He's protecting a 17-point deficit. They lost by 14 points and they had all 3 timeouts left. The team isn't dialed in. Starts with the head coach. And the garbage coaching staff HE assembled.

 

[venecol]

There is zero evidence that it was supposed to go to Hunter. Who said it was supposed to go to him.

And even if it was supposed to go to Henry, he didn’t look back for the ball until it was too late because Brown missed his block.

Play was designed to get Henry open and he was instantly. Lazar analysed the play and those were his conclusions. I'll trust the guy that does it for a living vs the Mac apologist.

 

[Rob0729]

How do you know the receiver progression? You have the Pats playbook? Why would you look to the one reciever running into the teeth of the defense in the middle while you have a 3 reciever set on the other side? 3 chances are better than one. You don't make any sense.

Huh? Teams overload the receivers on one side and then throw to the loan receiver on the other side all the time. By stacking the receivers on one side, you leave the receiver on the other side in single coverage. If it is a favorable match up, it can be a big play potential.

Fact is Jones looked to Parker first and since he was running a slant, it would have been a quick strike. But he was covered pretty well.

And again, it doesn’t matter. Henry didn’t look back for the ball until the defender was already in Jones’ face and blocking the throwing lane to Henry anyway. So even if the play was to Henry, Jones had no way to get it to him.

 

[venecol]

Josh Allen didn’t throw a ball across his body 50-60 yards. That is physically impossible. He might have thrown across the field 50 yards, but that would be a case where he had time to turn his body to face the receiver.

Jones didn’t have time to change direction to face Bourne in the end zone.

Bourne was wide open when Mac was on his side of the field (left side facing EZ), he even looked at him but decided not to throw it. You even concluded that if he tried to make that throw, it would've been INT. But that's the problem right there. If Mac is leery of making a TD throw to a wide open WR because he's scared ball may be INT while down 17 pts in the 4th QTr, he's not the guy.

 

[Rob0729]

Play was designed to get Henry open and he was instantly. Lazar analysed the play and those were his conclusions. I'll trust the guy that does it for a living vs the Mac apologist.

Ok, let’s say it was designed to Henry. We can agree it was Henry’s fault for not looking back for the ball. Again the video clearly shows that Henry wasn’t looking back for the ball until after the defender was in Jones’ face.

BTW, I don’t actually blame Henry either. That was all on Brown because he didn’t give the Pats enough time for the play to develop. Even with a quick out route, Henry didn’t have enough time to cut into his route to look back for the ball.

 

[h0c2000]

Quitting. I’d say he shouldn’t see the field for the rest of the season but, unless Thornton is ready to assume that role, we need him out there until we are eliminated.

When I coached at the HS levels, that drove me up a f.ucking wall. I can’t stand a quitter.

Not to defend Parker but that drive took almost half of the 4th quarter. Where was the urgency from the HC? Had Bill already quit at that point?

 

[Rob0729]

Bourne was wide open when Mac was on his side of the field (left side facing EZ), he even looked at him but decided not to throw it. You even concluded that if he tried to make that throw, it would've been INT. But that's the problem right there. If Mac is leery of making a TD throw to a wide open WR because he's scared ball may be INT while down 17 pts in the 4th QTr, he's not the guy.

I didn’t conclude that at all. I said in the situation where he was throwing under pressure with two defenders in front of Bourne that it was a risky throw and could be as much of an INT or TD. Throwing under pressure on the run is clearly not Jones’ forte. But he didn’t have time to make the throw.

 

[GreenCow]

Josh Allen didn’t throw a ball across his body 50-60 yards. That is physically impossible. He might have thrown across the field 50 yards, but that would be a case where he had time to turn his body to face the receiver.

Jones didn’t have time to change direction to face Bourne in the end zone.

I was talking about Mac throwing it at this point.

 

[Rob0729]

I was talking about Mac throwing it at this point.

But you addressed me saying that Allen couldn’t make the throw to Bourne from the other side of the field.

 

[GreenCow]

Bourne was wide open when Mac was on his side of the field (left side facing EZ),

Bingo

 

[GreenCow]

But you addressed me saying that Allen couldn’t make the throw to Bourne from the other side of the field.

I guess I misunderstand. Didn’t think you’d be bringing up the opposite side of the field when he had a clear window and no one around him on the short side of the field.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I’m surprised nobody is talking about when Mack Wilson went Kiwanuka on Josh Allen before the TD pass. As I saw Wilson closing in, I saw visions of posters itching to get on here and say “I told you so” about Wilson and McMillian until we saw that horrible attempt of a tackle. Then Jon Jones giving up in the end zone. It reminded me of 2002 with Steve Martin jogging around not giving a fuk.

 

[venecol]

I didn’t conclude that at all. I said in the situation where he was throwing under pressure with two defenders in front of Bourne that it was a risky throw and could be as much of an INT or TD. Throwing under pressure on the run is clearly not Jones’ forte. But he didn’t have time to make the throw.

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If he can't make that throw (he's set) to a wide open receiver in the EZ, he's not the guy. He got spooked.

 

[crawhammer]

I don't think he could catch a pass once he stepped oob in the EZ so he took himself out of the play. HH had a TD called back for the same reason. Probably coached to do exactly that. I suppose he could've tried to break up the almost INT but not sure if that would've been a penalty.

Parker knows the rule there. He simply can't step out of bounds. His effort on the play was exceptionally weak.

 

[Ross12]

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If he can't make that throw (he's set) to a wide open receiver in the EZ, he's not the guy. He got spooked.

Bourne's back there with his hand up, the play's wide open for the taking.