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Ringer Article: Will Bill Belichick’s Big Coaching Gamble Backfire?




When you spend 5! years (PLUS a red-shirt year) "competing" against the likes of Wofford, Mercer & the Citadel - and not even at LT, you're not exactly ramping-up your preparation for the NFL...
 
This could help explain the Strange drop off when Andrew's is out of the lineup. It goes to reason that Andrew's is a better, more decisive when calling OL alignments vs Ferentz. Even a split second hesitancy in attacking would make a difference.
I should have been clearer I was talking about the fact that he either was late using his hands or just tried absorbing contact.

Similar to what the top video shows I guess but he's late and letting guys get inside him. It's more than just him getting beat. He's just not accurate with his strikes and target location. Now compare that to Onwenu who's targeting outside shoulders. Active feet, moving with purpose not just to move and give up a lane.

Just a big difference.

Thanks for the video. I'm too lazy to record and actually want to use a VPN for overseas bc that's still better product I believe. TK actually has me blocked on Twitter so I can't see his stuff. He's a headcase but knows his stuff.
 
I have questioned Belichick the GM many times over the last twenty plus year, but I rarely questioned his coaching. This year, it is quite clear he made a mistake by making Judge and Patricia in charge of the offense. They are ruining Jones.
 
Anyone else find it odd that Henry and Smith were among the highest paid when they signed and in the top 10 most paid now, but weren't in the same universe as a guy like Gronk?
 
Anyone else find it odd that Henry and Smith were among the highest paid when they signed and in the top 10 most paid now, but weren't in the same universe as a guy like Gronk?
Yes
I did not love the Henry signing.
I had high hopes for Jonnu.
When Bill paid like crazy for him I thought we were going to add Hernandez minus the murder thing.
 
I had high hopes for Jonnu.
When Bill paid like crazy for him I thought we were going to add Hernandez minus the murder thing.
I know a lot of people compare him to Hernandez, but he's not anywhere near his league. Smith was a poor man's Delanie Walker. Now he's worthless, but I put a lot of that on the coaches.
 
Great discussion from a group of former players talking about how the play designs are a mess and leaving Mac without many options.

 
Some points worth consideration but a couple issues I have with this:

Hunter Henry wasn't a "playmaker" last season. He caught 50 passes for 603 yards, 9 TDs. He was a target in the red area and scored more TDs but otherwise it isn't night and day compared to last season. His average yards per reception is actually higher this season.

I'm not sure it's fair to say they've been unable to incorporate Thornton. The guy has 9 rec, 81 yards, 1 TD. 3 rushes, 16 yards, 1 TD. He's a rookie who's played in 5 career games. Not sure how much more we can reasonably expect at this point, although it'd be nice to see him have a big game.
Well C Watson is tearing it apart now for Packers. Need to see tyquan have a career game within the next 3 games to show if the coaching has any juice in them.
 
I have questioned Belichick the GM many times over the last twenty plus year, but I rarely questioned his coaching. This year, it is quite clear he made a mistake by making Judge and Patricia in charge of the offense. They are ruining Jones.

How are they ruining Jones? Are they ruining anyone else? Does Jones have any responsibility for his own struggles? What about Zappe's performance despite this supposedly poor coaching? Just some food for thought.

I'm not exactly thrilled with Judge coaching the QBs (or any position, candidly) but Patricia has been fine to my eye and the players themselves need to take some accountability for their own performance.

When the OL and QB have played well (and not turned the ball over), the offense has looked alright (pretty good, even). At some point it comes down to execution at OL and QB, arguably the two most critical elements for consistent offensive success.
 
How are they ruining Jones? Are they ruining anyone else? Does Jones have any responsibility for his own struggles? What about Zappe's performance despite this supposedly poor coaching? Just some food for thought.

I'm not exactly thrilled with Judge coaching the QBs (or any position, candidly) but Patricia has been fine to my eye and the players themselves need to take some accountability for their own performance.

When the OL and QB have played well (and not turned the ball over), the offense has looked alright (pretty good, even). At some point it comes down to execution at OL and QB, arguably the two most critical elements for consistent offensive success.
I was also thinking it was mac's fault, but then you cannot regress so much in a year without some external factors. Zappe probably played the most defenseless defense and hence looked better than actuals while Mac being forced to take deep shots with no x factor caused turnovers and loss of confidence.

I hope they do dink and dunk for the next couple of games before looking to expand concepts against bills and others. Better to be conservative where we have 50-50 chances and go for the jugular only when there is point of no return.
 
How are they ruining Jones? Are they ruining anyone else? Does Jones have any responsibility for his own struggles? What about Zappe's performance despite this supposedly poor coaching? Just some food for thought.

I'm not exactly thrilled with Judge coaching the QBs (or any position, candidly) but Patricia has been fine to my eye and the players themselves need to take some accountability for their own performance.

When the OL and QB have played well (and not turned the ball over), the offense has looked alright (pretty good, even). At some point it comes down to execution at OL and QB, arguably the two most critical elements for consistent offensive success.
I think coaching has definitely been a problem but we'd know if Jones took a step and was being held back and it just doesn't look like that at all imo.

His inconsistencies with his release point have little to do with Matty and Joe. It's been an issue since college. I believe it was a major issue with House. It had to be and it's still fluctuating between 2 & 12. Same with his footwork and post snap processing/decision making.

Look coaching could be better I can't deny that but Jones doesn't look like hes taken any steps forward on his own.
 
I know a lot of people compare him to Hernandez, but he's not anywhere near his league. Smith was a poor man's Delanie Walker. Now he's worthless, but I put a lot of that on the coaches.
He was spoonfed easy touches that led to a lot of easy yac. Just hasn't picked up the offense like it hope. I don't blame anyone but Smith. Big boy being paid big bucks. Blocking has been borderline acceptable since arriving.
 
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How are they ruining Jones? Are they ruining anyone else? Does Jones have any responsibility for his own struggles? What about Zappe's performance despite this supposedly poor coaching? Just some food for thought.

I'm not exactly thrilled with Judge coaching the QBs (or any position, candidly) but Patricia has been fine to my eye and the players themselves need to take some accountability for their own performance.

When the OL and QB have played well (and not turned the ball over), the offense has looked alright (pretty good, even). At some point it comes down to execution at OL and QB, arguably the two most critical elements for consistent offensive success.

They changed the playbook to maximize Jones’, the receivers, and the o-line‘s weaknesses and minimize their strengths. Last year Jones was best at quick release plays, throwing short to intermediate passes in tight windows, and quickly going through his progressions. What did they do this year? Design the offense so that Jones has to hold onto the ball longer and lock onto one receiver and throw 50-50 balls down the field. Devante Parker is a possession receiver. So of course they made him a deep perimeter receiver. The o-line is built for size. So they designed the offense to play a lot zone blocking to maximize their speed which they don’t have. And Bourne and Henry were two of their best receivers last year and they basically benched Bourne and minimized Henry.

Tell me what they actually did to put Jones in a position to succeed? That is what an OC is supposed to do with a second year QB who is still learning.

And do you think that when the Pats play ok, it could be the talent overcoming the coaching? Most of the times when this offense has played well under Jones was either scripted plays at the beginning of a half which probably had Belichick's input and when Jones is running the hurry up offense and he is calling plays at the line.

I know you hate Jones, but try to look at this objectively.
 
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Sunday is the day, will Belichick and the coaching staff prove everyone wrong or will we all say we told you this wouldn't work?

Hope I am wrong, but I expect a dysfunctional offense on sunday.
 
They changed the playbook to maximize Jones’, the receivers, and the o-line‘s weaknesses and minimize their strengths. Last year Jones was best at quick release plays, throwing short to intermediate passes in tight windows, and quickly going through his progressions. What did they do this year? Design the offense so that Jones has to hold onto the ball longer and lock onto one receiver and throw 50-50 balls down the field. Devante Parker is a possession receiver. So of course they made him a deep perimeter receiver. The o-line is built for size. So they designed the offense to play a lot zone blocking to maximize their speed which they don’t have. And Bourne and Henry were two of their best receivers last year and they basically benched Bourne and minimized Henry.

Tell me what they actually did to put Jones in a position to succeed? That is what an OC is supposed to do with a second year QB who is still learning.

And do you think that when the Pats play ok, it could be the talent overcoming the coaching? Most of the times when this offense has played well under Jones was either scripted plays at the beginning of a half which probably had Belichick's input and when Jones is running the hurry up offense and he is calling plays at the line.

I know you hate Jones, but try to look at this objectively.

That doesn't explain Jones missing MORE open receivers this year.
It doesn't explain his poor mechanics (something he supposedly worked on with Tom House).

They didn't incorporate "a lot of zone blocking". They already had zone blocking in their scheme according to Scarnecchia. He'd know better than any of the guys covering the Pats currently.

They DID incorporate more RPOs. Something that has been pointed out as something that Mac used well in college.

The "Speed" that the Outside Zone blocking is supposed to help is that of the RBs. Harris and Stevenson BOTH have the necessary speed. They aren't Tyreek Hill or Ty Thornton, but they have plenty of speed for those plays. In fact, the Outside runs have been some of their best all season.

The coaching staff is at fault on the offense for it being somewhat predictable.
WE have no idea if Mac is changing plays out of Play-Action when he's at the line or if the Coaches aren't giving him those plays. Some have mentioned that the Coaching staff seems to be wanting to keep Mac's eyes downfield, even on running plays.

There could be two reasons for this. One is that the O-line (including the TEs) aren't doing their job. Some of which we've seen. The O-line play has continued to be inconsistent with the exception of Onwenu. Andrews was exposed again to being unable to properly identify the late blitz.

The other reason is MAC. People have seen him eyeballing receivers. People have seen him miss multiple wide-open receivers on the same play. People have seem him fail to recognize a defensive change because he's NOT scanning the field pre-snap the way he should be. People have seen Mac go through his progressions too quickly. Other times not fast enough. It's mostly mental things. I think that MAC, instead of being MAC, tried to be Brady 2.0. That, in conjunction with Joe Judge not being a capable QB coach (yes, I'm convinced now) have hurt Jones.

It's safe to say that Joe Judge should not be the QB coach. I initially defended the hiring because he did have some experience with the position and I wasn't willing to blame him for Daniel Jones, but the proof is in the pudding, as they say. Look at what Daniel Jones is doing with Brian Daboll as his HC and former Patriots QB Mike Kafka as his OC. Four 4th Quarter Comebacks with 5 Game winning drives.

I think your statement on Parker is slightly erroneous. He's more than a possession receiver. He's always played Outside the numbers. His forte is jump balls, back shoulder passes, and toe-stepping the sidelines. The last two were supposedly MAC's FORTE coming out of Alabama. The number of times we've seen those plays can be counted on one hand, though and that is a COACHING issue.

There is blame to go around. It's not JUST MAC or JUST the Coaching. It's a combination. The only one who can sort it out completely is Belichick. We know he's not afraid to admit mistakes, even with Coaching staff. (Corwin Brown / Dave Guglielmo) My only hope is that there is no permanent damage to Jones when the season is done.
 


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