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Quick question for all the moaners and Mac haters -
Do you feel better this morning or last Tuesday morning?
We're too used to thinking the Jets are worthless and we should crush them by 30 every time we play.
Their D is legit. Our O is going through growing pains.
Be happy we went into NY and got a much needed divisional win to get back to .500, and Mac is much better than Wilson.
Moving on!
It's funny that before the season the near universal belief was the AFC West was going to be the best division in football with potentially all four teams making the playoffs and the NFC East was going to be the one of worst with possibly none of the teams having a winning record. NFC East has three teams that are 6-2 or better and even the Commanders are .500. Obviously KC is still one of the best teams in the league and the Chargers have a winning record, but both the Broncos and Raiders have been disasters.
The over/under for wins for the Broncos was 10.5. All they need is 8 more wins.
One of the advantages for the NFCE is that they're matching up with the very weak AFCS.
As of right now the divisions are strongest by regions, Easts, Wests, Norths and Souths in that order.
You do realize no one takes you seriously, right? There's like 10 posters here that are good and you ain't one, Rob. I'd be surprised if anyone got anything out of your post besides a laugh.
Quick question for all the moaners and Mac haters -
Do you feel better this morning or last Tuesday morning?
We're too used to thinking the Jets are worthless and we should crush them by 30 every time we play.
Their D is legit. Our O is going through growing pains.
Be happy we went into NY and got a much needed divisional win to get back to .500, and Mac is much better than Wilson.
Moving on!
No one hates Mac save for one or two crazies. I suspect the problem they have is the same ones I've been talking about since before the draft. Mechanics, post snap processing and arm talent equalling up to an average QB. And you simply aren't winning with average or "good enough" at the QB position.
I'm absolutely happy we won but it's easy to look around at the landscape and see the potential problems ahead. It's not about style points or beating the jete by a certain #. It's having an honest conversation about Mac and if he's good enough to be an elite QB. Those conversations aren't easy at times and it gets uncomfortable but we should be able to have them without drawing sides and teams.
You do realize no one takes you seriously, right? There's like 10 posters here that are good and you ain't one, Rob. I'd be surprised if anyone got anything out of your post besides a laugh.
You do realize I don't give a crap what you think? Why not let everyone speak for themselves because I am sure most people don't want an a-hole speaking for them.
The over/under for wins for the Broncos was 10.5. All they need is 8 more wins.
One of the advantages for the NFCE is that they're matching up with the very weak AFCS.
As of right now the divisions are strongest by regions, Easts, Wests, Norths and Souths in that order.
I could definitely see some of the teams in the NFC East come crashing down come the second half of the season. I wonder how the Giants can keep on winning with Daniel Jones. But as you said, none of them have a killer schedule.
But the Broncos actually scored 21 points in a win. They are smoking now. In seriousness, they got KC twice, the Chargers twice, Tennessee, and Baltimore left on their schedule. The over under now is 10.5 losses.
Jones is not playing well (although he played fairly well in the second half especially the third quarter), but you are doing the exact same thing you are accusing others are doing. You are not acknowledging that the offensive line play has been a disaster against good defenses this year and Patricia has called a lot of bad plays.
You are accusing others of making excuses for Jones for bringing up real problems with the offense, Yet, you want excuse the poor offensive line play and Patricia's deficiencies by blaming Jones for all the problems with the offense.
You said it, those are key pieces were are a team that needs all of its players available, still don't understand all the Mac hate, anyone with 20/20 Vision can see that he's asked to do much different things than under McDaniels. As we can see those plays aren't conducive to macs skill set.. it's like he's running some one else's offense.. I hope going forward more plays are called towards macs strengths, his vision, intellect and mobility to step up under pressure..
And it seems the new variations/tweaks are in fact geared towards Jones' preferences and strengths, with his input.
The assertion that the offensive changes (whatever they are, exactly) are happening in spite of Jones' play-style is plain wrong ... we have good evidence (including from Jones himself) that the offense was moved in a direction he is more familiar/comfortable with this past offseason.
You would think our hall of fame coach would say.. hmmm my defense can't defend any TEs maybe I should use the good one I have... you'd see Mac return to form!
But so has Zappe. It's a false narrative. They make it sound like Zappe played mainly PA when the opposite is the truth, the bulk of his plays are out of shotgun. Does he have more UC PA plays than Mac? Yes, that's true, but it could be as simple as getting him used to it in the NFL because he never played UC PA in college. Like never. Not once. His experience was 100% shotgun, yet we have those here saying he can't play out of shotgun. Lol
Facts are that Mac Jones is so slow to react and he has a very weak arm.
The pick 6 was a perfect example. Henry was open, but by the time Jones reacted it was too late. Jones does not have the arm strength to throw a dart past the defender. NFL DBs will continue to feast of Jones trying to throw. His game is short and safe, dink and dunk passing. When your QB is only allowed to throw 3 passes in the Buffalo wind you've got problems.
Who in the draft? Free agency, trade ect, could you possibly thing can come in and be better?
There is no pressure, expectation, grind, work load duress, situational awareness that gets put on them more than the patriots ask of thier players especially a QB.. so while the mack hate continues ask yourself those questions..
Let the kid get a few more games under him.. still think he's the best option..
No they are not. Have you gone over to their boards? They want to play Mike White.
And Zach Wilson is proof that poor coaching can ruin a QB with raw talent. What is most wrong with Wilson is/was correctable with the right coaching staff. They need to teach him patience in the pocket and not get all sped up the first sign of trouble. The way you do that is by designing plays where he gets rid of the ball quickly and gets a rhythm. The Jets are asking him to throw down the field a lot (at least they do when they rely on him to be a big part of the offense). They don't do that with him.
I have no idea if Wilson could be a good QB with a good OC. But the Jets ruined the guy from the start. So we will never know unless he does a Gino Smith somewhere else. There are some parallels with what Patricia is doing with Jones.
Who in the draft? Free agency, trade ect, could you possibly thing can come in and be better?
There is no pressure, expectation, grind, work load duress, situational awareness that gets put on them more than the patriots ask of thier players especially a QB.. so while the mack hate continues ask yourself those questions..
Let the kid get a few more games under him.. still think he's the best option..
McCourty is right. We are spoiled, i'm spoiled. I've seen Patriot offense at it's highest level for many years. It was fun, was. McCourty is prepping the fans for .500 ball for the future. After watching this Jets game and at the halfway point i realize it's not gonna get any better. We are what we are, a middle of the pack team. What poisoned the kool-aid around here was us fans seeing a glimpse of what it was like when Zappe imatated our once powerful offense. I can't remove it once i have seen it. I'm working on it. Defense cannot, i repeat cannot stop a mobile qb i.m.o. Zach Wilson and the Jets, we are in the same boat, forever 500 at best.
I screamed at the TV in pure guttural rage twice - when Mac threw the Pick 6 that was called back and on the fourth down call that seemed like a QB run where he elected to throw to Meyers (and it falling incomplete) after rolling left.
We have seen the kid make some great decisions his rookie year, as well as some bad ones. I'm all for taking the training wheels off when needed, but the coaching needs to put him in the right place mentally. At times the offense has been much better than expected. At times, it's been as expected.
When that improves, I'm certain #10 will. Right now, he seems to be having the good instincts coached out of him and being left to figure things out entirely alone.
There was no defender in the middle of the field. Having Jakobi running back toward the LOS when Henry was already there was mindless and dumb. That play needed Jakobi going upfield. There was no defender there. The Jets sold out and got deked by a playfake. They had a spy on Mac, but otherwise, Meyers was free for a TD.
It's Patricia's job to design that play properly.
Have a look at it on replay instead of the freeze frame clip. You'll see wide open space.
Facts are that Mac Jones is so slow to react and he has a very weak arm.
The pick 6 was a perfect example. Henry was open, but by the time Jones reacted it was too late. Jones does not have the arm strength to throw a dart past the defender. NFL DBs will continue to feast of Jones trying to throw. His game is short and safe, dink and dunk passing. When your QB is only allowed to throw 3 passes in the Buffalo wind you've got problems.
And when was Henry ever open? During warm ups? I questioned if he even plays for the team still? He's seemingly being phased out the offense.. the TE position has to become more apparent in order to help mac keep his rhythm.. it's infuriating watching 50/50 balls get thrown not going to help any QB, I'm telling you that's what mac needs his 6'7 TE that had 10 TDsast season..
@Rob0729 has repeatedly tried to pass off opinion as fact. Made lazy, lazy arguments towards the QB discussion that add nothing but filler to the topic and obviously is bias when talking about the QB position.
Constantly trying to frame it as Mac is being set up to fail. It's bs and casual nonsense you'd probably hear on talk radio.
Thats fine if he wants to do that but theres also nothing wrong with calling it what it is. I mean I'm not going after him personally. I'm saying the quality and stuff he post is garbage. It's not personal man.
Why does it bother you if someone thinks you or someone else is a bad poster?
You do realize I don't give a crap what you think? Why not let everyone speak for themselves because I am sure most people don't want an a-hole speaking for them.
Like I mentioned above you have repeatedly tried to pass off opinion as fact regarding this topic and made lazy arguments towards the subject. Many people have noticed this I'm sorry if it bothers you but it's been happening.
I'm definitely not trying to speak for anyone. Apologies if it came off that way. Just giving my opinion. I'm wrong a lot and could be here.
