NFL QB Rankings (looking toward 2023)

[RobertWeathers]

I said football player. I'll take Jackson over Rodgers and Brady in that argument. If I'm starting a franchise from scratch then I'm picking Allen or Mahomes as my quarterback. Probably Watson and Herbert after that. If I have everything on the line for one game, or one drive, or one play, then I'm taking Brady. Allen second in that category.

OK so LJ isn't in your top 10 as a passer but top 5 as a "football player". Hes Randall Cunningham in 1987-1991.

A good coach puts his team, his players, his quarterback, in the best possible position to be successful (and then gets the f*ck out of the way). That's what they're doing with Jackson in Baltimore. The read option and RPOs are best suited to Jackson's extraordinary skill set. Head coach & quarterback are grading out an A+ so far. Their secondary, which isn't very good, had an epic meltdown against the Dolphins... otherwise Jackson is 3-0 and easy early MVP favorite.

LJ does what he wants as a runner - not as a passer which is why he is successful.

 

[203Pat]

Not sure what Lamar has to do to gain respect as a passer. He made some great throws against us the other day. Touch passes, throws on the run, and 4 TD passes. He is leading the league in touchdown passes and only has two interceptions. Even in you remove the running ability he is still a top 10 passer.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

You're in part discounting the style of offense they're running in Baltimore. It's not your traditional pocket passer offense. Is there a quarterback in the league who runs the read option or RPO better than Jackson? He might be the best ever to run this style of offense.

Jackson has the highest TD% of any active quarterback in the NFL... better than Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, etc... the best.
Jackson has the highest rushing yards per attempt of any active player in the NFL.
Jackson is excelling as a passer (within the passing style of his team's offense) and as a runner. His best receiver too is a 260 pound TE. Not much more could be asked of Jackson at this point.


Part of it too is some fans just don't want to admit how talented Jackson is because that means admitting another draft day miss.

There's that, I mean we're seeing how fans will ignore the obvious and bury their head in the sand in this thread. @RobertWeathers is looking like Andy moving the goalposts so much.

Truthfully the Ravens drafted a TE before Jackson. Most everyone was wrong about him save for a select few of us.

Also the Ravens are like dead last when it comes to spending on receivers. Imagine if he was throwing to Mike Williams, Allen and had Eck in the backfield.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

LJ is protected as a passer in the BAL offense.

Look at the % of of throws per game the QBs I brought up vs LJ. That is the difference. Those QBs are asked to carry the offense with their arms.

BAL asks LJ to use his legs when he can't make a play in the passing game. Same was with Vick. Same with Cunningham in Philly.

Ask him to throw 500-600 times and it's questionable these efficiency #s you call out scale. Why? Again, he's a limited passer.

Stafford threw up big numbers in DET. So does Allen. So does Burrow and everyone I mention. No comparison.

When LJ throws for 4000yds on 500+ attempts and his INT % is less than 3 we can have a real debate.

So the guy that has better or equal stats as the players you mentioned wouldn't if he had to throw the ball 8-10 more times a game??? That's absurdly stupid. Especially when you factor in how easy it is to maintain a 60+ comp %.

Also you ignore things like sacks. The other QB's throw more but they also take worse sacks. It's almost like playing QB is a give & take, barter system but I know you look at things as casual as can be.

Also it's funny hearing a Bill Belichick fanboy bring up "big numbers" and Matt Stafford when all we've heard from that crowd is "winning is all that matters" "it's a team game" but you're bringing up a QB that couldn't win on the road to save his life, couldn't get his team to the playoffs and needed volume #'s to put up volume stats. Not a good look.

 

[crawhammer]

OK so LJ isn't in your top 10 as a passer but top 5 as a "football player". Hes Randall Cunningham in 1987-1991.

Whatever, I'm not going to micro-score every single aspect of his game. He's better than Vick already (overall and subcategories). He's the 3rd best quarterback in the NFL today, behind only Allen and Mahomes.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

This is my thing. There is no position in team sports more responsible for wins and losses than the quarterback. He has had a pretty pedestrian cast around him and I think he elevates their play to some extent. I like Lamar and I think he landed in a great spot in Baltimore (although I despise the Ravens) because they were willing to build around his skillset and I don't think a lot of organizations would do that. You see too many of these hardo coaches with their "my way or the highway" crap and they try and put a round peg in a square hole and before you know it both the player and coach are out of a job.

Yup Ravens spend the least when it comes to WR. That OL has been banged up for years. They had no running game besides him. Compare his cast to the other top tier guys and it's a comparable difference. I'd love to see the Bengals and Ravens switch. I'm a huge Joe Brady fan but I doubt he's bringing that cast to the playoffs let alone SB.

Not sure what Lamar has to do to gain respect as a passer. He made some great throws against us the other day. Touch passes, throws on the run, and 4 TD passes. He is leading the league in touchdown passes and only has two interceptions. Even in you remove the running ability he is still a top 10 passer.

Most of those people will never admit they're wrong. They'll move the goalposts like they've been doing. Idk how the search feature but we had people saying he was a 7th RD pick, he'd bust, he's a gadget player.

I mean it's more than obvious he's a very good passer and beating teams with his arm. I swear some of these guys never played sports. He just beat us in our house by double digits I believe and had a 4/1 TD/INT ratio. Talk about delusional.


Every single one will tout Mac and give Mac all the time in the world while nitpicking and moving goalposts for Lamar. It's embarrassing.

 

[TheRazorsEdge]

He probably could have been a player BB could have built a team around. The fact that we got Michel and Wynn instead dosent help

To quote a Metallica tune I occasionally jam to ...
"SAD BUT TRUE!"

 

[venecol]

Just because a QB is highly functional in his offensive system doesn't mean the QB is an elite player.

Are you arguing Jackson is just as good of a QB as Mahomes, AR, TB12 because his TD % is comparable?

LJ performs very, very well in a system which accentuates his strengths which is running and play action and sticking to his 1st read.

Idk RW, you look at the highlights from Sunday's game and you see this guy throwing frozen ropes. Drilling line drives into tight windows or taking something off to float a pass to an open receiver. He'll stand in the pocket too until his 3rd string LT let's someone through and he runs but completes a pass anyway, on the run. Even when he's sacked, its for minimal loss (<3 yds).

This dude has very few flaws that I can see. Mind you, this isn't against the Jete but the Pats D that you Fng know Bill had a game plan to keep him under wraps. They tried everything to confuse him.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

The problem is those kinds of players tend to run out of gas by the time you hit the playoffs. A whole season of being on the field, getting hit every snap throwing or running....takes its toll. And I don't think he's a skilled enough passer WITHOUT THE THREAT OF HIM TAKING OFF to succeed. He is a really good passer because his scrambling opens up passing windows. As the season wears on and he wears out, teams have to worry about his running less and less. Those windows become tighter and tighter. And so far, he hasn't shown he can consistently succeed within those narrower confines.

 

[1960Pats]

I'm letting the season play out before changing my assessment. ~2/5ths of his yards, catches and targets are to one player.

When Lamar Jackson gets into the playoffs and doesn't fold like a new tent then I'll be impressed with his passing. But right now he's a product of a gimmick offense with a RB who can throw as a QB. I wouldn't want to put all my eggs in his basket.

 

[1960Pats]

So is it the coach making the player or the player making the coach?

Ooh! Can I answer that?

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

When Lamar Jackson gets into the playoffs and doesn't fold like a new tent then I'll be impressed with his passing. But right now he's a product of a gimmick offense with a RB who can throw as a QB. I wouldn't want to put all my eggs in his basket.

You and @RobertWeathers couldn't describe that offense if your lives depended on it lol. Let's be honest neither of you know what you're talking about. I truly doubt either of you know any real detail about the Patriots offense nevermind another team neither of you watch regularly.

You both are nice guys but pretty casual when it comes to this stuff. All you have to do is look at @RobertWeathers post naming a bunch of QB's that are supposedly better passers than Lamar. You guys are old school and that's fine but really can't handle proper debate. Like you guys make terrible arguments that are solely based on your opinion which is made up by false narratives and beliefs.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Idk RW, you look at the highlights from Sunday's game and you see this guy throwing frozen ropes. Drilling line drives into tight windows or taking something off to float a pass to an open receiver. He'll stand in the pocket too until his 3rd string LT let's someone through and he runs but completes a pass anyway, on the run. Even when he's sacked, its for minimal loss (<3 yds).

This dude has very few flaws that I can see. Mind you, this isn't against the Jete but the Pats D that you Fng know Bill had a game plan to keep him under wraps. They tried everything to confuse him.

At some point you just have to accept some people are clueless and stuck in a certain time/era.

I expect better out of @RobertWeathers though. He's not the sharpest football knife in the drawer but he's rational.

A smart person would say "hey he's maintained and improved passing but is the best running threat the league has ever seen so I get why he passes a little less" but I look around here and don't see the sharpest set of knives. Mostly rusty butter knives and broken sporks.

Also you know you're casual as hell if you're bringing up guys like Burrow and Stafford passing the football and not mentioning some of the terrible sacks they take to stay in the pocket. Stafford's sacks are terrible.

Bottom line, people want to hang on to their opinions and beliefs rather than learn and be exposed to new stuff.

 

[RobertWeathers]

At some point you just have to accept some people are clueless and stuck in a certain time/era.

I expect better out of @RobertWeathers though. He's not the sharpest football knife in the drawer but he's rational.

A smart person would say "hey he's maintained and improved passing but is the best running threat the league has ever seen so I get why he passes a little less" but I look around here and don't see the sharpest set of knives. Mostly rusty butter knives and broken sporks.

Also you know you're casual as hell if you're bringing up guys like Burrow and Stafford passing the football and not mentioning some of the terrible sacks they take to stay in the pocket. Stafford's sacks are terrible.

Bottom line, people want to hang on to their opinions and beliefs rather than learn and be exposed to new stuff.

Pretty condescending. Not sure where you get the balls to think your opinion is better than mine.

Now because we've debated, you call me out saying I can't recognize plays and offenses to other posters? Who in the actual **** do you think you are? That's chicken **** elitist crap and douchy.

Sorry to say but you are not a football expert. You post on PatsFans because you have a regular job like the rest of us. Unless you have proof you work for an NFL team and break down film 80hrs a week you can kindly **** off. Maybe DKF was right about you.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Idk RW, you look at the highlights from Sunday's game and you see this guy throwing frozen ropes. Drilling line drives into tight windows or taking something off to float a pass to an open receiver. He'll stand in the pocket too until his 3rd string LT let's someone through and he runs but completes a pass anyway, on the run. Even when he's sacked, its for minimal loss (<3 yds).

This dude has very few flaws that I can see. Mind you, this isn't against the Jete but the Pats D that you Fng know Bill had a game plan to keep him under wraps. They tried everything to confuse him.

Very talented player. Strong arm. He's just not an elite passer.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Whatever, I'm not going to micro-score every single aspect of his game. He's better than Vick already (overall and subcategories). He's the 3rd best quarterback in the NFL today, behind only Allen and Mahomes.

Analyzing aspects of his game is how one determines how good of a player he is in comparison to others. You clearly rank him highly. I don't.

 

[Wozzy]

Lamar Jackson's playoff stats... 4 games.

76-136 for 900 yards, 56% completions, 3 TD's, 5 INT's, 68 QB Rating, 19 sacks, 5 fumbles... 1-3 record.

Amazing.

When is the moral victory championship parade?

 

[crawhammer]

Lamar Jackson's playoff stats... 4 games.

76-136 for 900 yards, 56% completions, 3 TD's, 5 INT's, 68 QB Rating, 19 sacks, 5 fumbles... 1-3 record.

Amazing.

When is the moral victory championship parade?

It's a legitimate criticism. However you did omit his 367 rushing yards in the postseason. I believe he's going to break through in the postseason... he's too talented... most great quarterbacks eventually have their moment(s) in the postseason. We're not talking about Drew Bledsoe here.

 

[Wozzy]

It's a legitimate criticism. However you did omit his 367 rushing yards in the postseason. I believe he's going to break through in the postseason... he's too talented... most great quarterbacks eventually have their moment(s) in the postseason. We're not talking about Drew Bledsoe here.

He's a great runner. Here's what I said about Lamar Jackson in 2018 before he was drafted and people were saying the Pats should take him with one of their two first round draft picks:

"I think he could "appear" really good, he could look like young Michael Vick... and just like Vick he will be fool's gold.
He will win some regular season games but unless he has the perfect situation around him won't sniff the Super Bowl.
Vick has a career 56% completion rate, his career win/loss record is 61-51, he averaged over 2.5 INT's per game... people think he was good because he was good on Tecmo Bowl or Nintendo, in the real world he appeared in 5 playoff games over 13 seasons.
You have to be able to pass accurately to beat NFL caliber playoff defenses... passing is important." - Wozzy, Apr 23, 2018

I've been spot on correct about who Lamar Jackson is.

He's Michael Vick with less baggage.

 

[crawhammer]

He's a great runner. Here's what I said about Lamar Jackson in 2018 before he was drafted and people were saying the Pats should take him with one of their two first round draft picks:

"I think he could "appear" really good, he could look like young Michael Vick... and just like Vick he will be fool's gold.
He will win some regular season games but unless he has the perfect situation around him won't sniff the Super Bowl.
Vick has a career 56% completion rate, his career win/loss record is 61-51, he averaged over 2.5 INT's per game... people think he was good because he was good on Tecmo Bowl or Nintendo, in the real world he appeared in 5 playoff games over 13 seasons.
You have to be able to pass accurately to beat NFL caliber playoff defenses... passing is important." - Wozzy, Apr 23, 2018

I've been spot on correct about who Lamar Jackson is.

He's Michael Vick with less baggage.

Jackson won NFL MVP in 2019. Your take didn't even age one year before it went belly up.

Jackson is also better than Vick at everything.