NFL QB Rankings (looking toward 2023)

[crawhammer]

No, I'm not. Hes an average pocket/passing QB. It's obvious and significant.

You're in part discounting the style of offense they're running in Baltimore. It's not your traditional pocket passer offense. Is there a quarterback in the league who runs the read option or RPO better than Jackson? He might be the best ever to run this style of offense.

Jackson has the highest TD% of any active quarterback in the NFL... better than Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, etc... the best.
Jackson has the highest rushing yards per attempt of any active player in the NFL.
Jackson is excelling as a passer (within the passing style of his team's offense) and as a runner. His best receiver too is a 260 pound TE. Not much more could be asked of Jackson at this point.

People don't want to give up on their takes from when he was coming out. Ask yourself how many times you've read "I was wrong" on here. Just doesn't happen and people were wildly wrong about Jackson. Remember the "hes a WR" talk!! Guy has been an MVP or MVP candidate when he's on the field but some pro level people thought he was a gadget player.

The next thing is aesthetics and looks. People here have watched Brady and Bledsoe for 30 years so Lamar is a shock in more ways than one. That's a big factor. People are creatures of habit and Lamar ain't what they're used to.

I'm sure I could go with more but lastly none of these posters know the first thing about the Ravens offense and what Jackson is tasked with accomplishing. I mean I've been here for a few years and I hear very little about our own X & O's so again people here don't really know what they're talking about. They pick up narratives based on previous beliefs and squeeze them like they're trying to get water out of a rock.

Part of it too is some fans just don't want to admit how talented Jackson is because that means admitting another draft day miss.

 

[RobertWeathers]

You're in part discounting the style of offense they're running in Baltimore. It's not your traditional pocket passer offense. Is there a quarterback in the league who runs the read option or RPO better than Jackson? He might be the best ever to run this style of offense.

Jackson has the highest TD% of any active quarterback in the NFL... better than Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, etc... the best.
Jackson has the highest rushing yards per attempt of any active player in the NFL.
Jackson is excelling as a passer (within the passing style of his team's offense) and as a runner. His best receiver too is a 260 pound TE. Not much more could be asked of Jackson at this point.


Part of it too is some fans just don't want to admit how talented Jackson is because that means admitting another draft day miss.

Just because a QB is highly functional in his offensive system doesn't mean the QB is an elite player.

Are you arguing Jackson is just as good of a QB as Mahomes, AR, TB12 because his TD % is comparable?

LJ performs very, very well in a system which accentuates his strengths which is running and play action and sticking to his 1st read.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

As I recall in some of the recent quarterback discussion topics there are a lot of Lamar Jackson deniers and nonbelievers here. He currently leads all quarterbacks in rushing yards by a mile and is 6th in the NFL overall. Leads the NFL in passing TDs, TD% and passer rating. Looks a lot like himself from his MVP season. It's only week 4 but there's no reason to believe he'll slow down much.

My updated top 10 QB rankings (previous ranking):

01. Josh Allen (1)
02. Patrick Mahomes (2)
03. Lamar Jackson (10)
04. Justin Herbert (5)
05. Tom Brady (3)
06. Aaron Rodgers (4)
07. Deshaun Watson (6)
08. Joe Burrow (7)
09. Jalen Hurts (21)
10. Tua Tagovailoa (27)

Dropping out of the top 10: Russell Wilson (8) and Kyler Murray (9)

We drafted a short armed dumpy guard and Georgia’s backup running back over him

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Just because a QB is highly functional in his offensive system doesn't mean the QB is an elite player.

Are you arguing Jackson is just as good of a QB as Mahomes, AR, TB12 because his TD % is comparable?

LJ performs very, very well in a system which accentuates his strengths which is running and play action and sticking to his 1st read.

LJ is the system

 

[RobertWeathers]

LJ is the system

And?

 

[NG Pats Fan]

And?

If we drafted him, we would have designed an offense suited to his incredible tools.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Go back to that draft. No one had thoughts that Lamar Jackson would be the QB he is today. A team was reportedly thinking of him as a DB. Even playing in his first year, people thought he'd be injured.

Let’s go back to the draft. We draft a short armed injury prone guard and Chubb’s backup. Even if your information about LJ is true (also scouting reports raving about his once in a lifetime athleticism at QB position)…Wynn and Michel were awful picks over Alabama’s Calvin Ridley, Maryland’s DJ Moore, and Georgia’s Nick Chubb.

 

[RobertWeathers]

If we drafted him, we would have designed an offense suited to his incredible tools.

The same QB who in HIS system led his team to averaging 10ppg in the playoffs with a 1-3 record?

Ok lets play the speculation game.

If he pulled that crap here people like you would be calling for BBs head for a) drafting him and b) installing a system which is not conducive to winning in the playoffs.

...and don't even tell me you would do no such thing.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

The same QB who in HIS system led his team to averaging 10ppg in the playoffs with a 1-3 record?

Ok lets play the speculation game.

If he pulled that crap here people like you would be calling for BBs head for a) drafting him and b) installing a system which is not conducive to winning in the playoffs.

...and don't even tell me you would do no such thing.

I wanted Ridley because he was a can’t miss Wr but we had two picks and I was on board with selecting Jackson for our other pick. I viewed jackson as a better version of Michael Vick. Anyone who watched Jackson in college saw his freakinsh athleticism, speed, strength..and his arm was definitely more accurate than Vicks

There was no doubt he was going to succeed as an nfl starter

You can say hindsight is 20-20 but he was definitely rated much higher on the board than Sony and Wynn

 

[RobertWeathers]

I wanted Ridley because he was a can’t miss Wr but we had two picks and I was on board with selecting Jackson for our other pick. I viewed jackson as a better version of Michael Vick. Anyone who watched Jackson in college saw his freakinsh athleticism, speed, strength..and his arm was definitely more accurate than Vicks

There was no doubt he was going to succeed as an nfl starter

You can say hindsight is 20-20 but he was definitely rated much higher on the board than Sony and Wynn

I don't care about players who were rated higher or lower. Every team drafts who they think will help them now and in the future.

If every team thought LJ was a can't miss prospect he would have gone in the Top 10.

Sony was a major part of winning #6. It was worth it despite the fact he flamed out. Wynn is serviceable. Whatever.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

I don't care about players who were rated higher or lower. Every team drafts who they think will help them now and in the future.

If every team thought LJ was a can't miss prospect he would have gone in the Top 10.

Sony was a major part of winning #6. It was worth it despite the fact he flamed out. Wynn is serviceable. Whatever.

I totally get your concerns with Lamar long term and passing wise. And I under stand your reasoning for why LJ wouldn’t help pats now in 2018. But when you took future into consideration with Brady 41 and coming up on contract year…you could make a strong case he should have been one of those two picks

Sony..debate for another time but I think any competent RB could have ran through those gaping holes our stacked o line made in 2018. Meanwhile he’s practically out of the league 4 years later while his college teammate is leading the nfl in rushing

 

[VrabelJr]

It's like the Michael Vick era all over again. Yawn.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

It's like the Michael Vick era all over again. Yawn.

Meanwhile Brian Hoyer is starting for your favorite team. YAWN

 

[crawhammer]

Just because a QB is highly functional in his offensive system doesn't mean the QB is an elite player.

Who do you think is responsible for "highly functional" part? Devin Duvernay?

Are you arguing Jackson is just as good of a QB as Mahomes, AR, TB12 because his TD % is comparable?

Well, right now I'm arguing Jackson is a better football player than Rodgers and Brady. He and Mahomes are close, and I'm still giving Mahomes the edge, but the gap is closing.

LJ performs very, very well in a system which accentuates his strengths which is running and play action and sticking to his 1st read.

That sounds like good coaching. He hasn't been sent adrift like some quarterback we know.

Let’s go back to the draft. We draft a short armed injury prone guard and Chubb’s backup. Even if your information about LJ is true (also scouting reports raving about his once in a lifetime athleticism at QB position)…Wynn and Michel were awful picks over Alabama’s Calvin Ridley, Maryland’s DJ Moore, and Georgia’s Nick Chubb.

Exactly. Chubb has been a beast... far superior to Michel in every way since day one. Someone messed up that evaluation bigtime.

It's like the Michael Vick era all over again. Yawn.

Actually Vick was closer to what some are arguing Jackson is now. An inaccurate pocket passer.

Jackson is better than Vick...

Vick:
56.2% completion percentage
4.1 TD%
2.7 INT%
7.0 Y/A
157.1 Y/G
80.4 passer rating

Jackson:
64.1% completion percentage
6.6 TD%
2.3 INT%
7.6 Y/A
175.7 Y/G
99.4 passer rating

Jackson's a better passing quarterback. And he has more rushing yards per game.

 

[Bruins29]

Meanwhile Brian Hoyer is starting for your favorite team. YAWN

 

[RobertWeathers]

Who do you think is responsible for "highly functional" part? Devin Duvernay?

See below.

Well, right now I'm arguing Jackson is a better football player than Rodgers and Brady. He and Mahomes are close, and I'm still giving Mahomes the edge, but the gap is closing.

You and I are as far apart as possible when evaluating QB play.

That sounds like good coaching. He hasn't been sent adrift like some quarterback we know.

So is it the coach making the player or the player making the coach?

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I don't want him to do anything. It's an assessment based on the type of player he is. Do you believe he is the same tier of passer as Mahomes, Burrow, Brady, Allen, Stafford, Hebert, etc?

Is Lamar Jackson as good a passer as Tom Brady??? The biggest outlier in sports history? The all time greatest player and QB.

Same for Mahomes to a much lesser extent. I mean he's had one of if not the best start statistically. From what we've seen so far there's not 10 QB's you'd rather have then Mahomes.

Let's look at the other names you brought up.

I've posted their stats a few times but Jackson has a higher comp %, ANY/A, YA, AY/A, NY/A and has taken less sacks than Allen for their career.

Herbert and Lamar are almost identical in all those stats. Herbert slightly ahead but there almost the same.

Lamar comes out ahead of Burrow and Burrow takes much worse sacks. Same for Stafford. Jackson comes out ahead looking at advanced stats.

So yes hes as good or better than the guys you brought up.

The same QB who in HIS system led his team to averaging 10ppg in the playoffs with a 1-3 record?

Ok lets play the speculation game.

If he pulled that crap here people like you would be calling for BBs head for a) drafting him and b) installing a system which is not conducive to winning in the playoffs.

...and don't even tell me you would do no such thing.

How was Stafford's playoff record before McVay? What was Allen's playoff record his first 2-3 years?

It's almost like you need more from your team and coaching staff against the best teams. And anyone who's watched Jackson has seen dropped balls, big players shrink, bad snaps, dumb coaching moves. He has to play better but his team hasn't shown up yet.

Sorry man you're swinging at air. All you have is your opinion which probably isn't worth much considering the stats above.

 

[crawhammer]

You and I are as far apart as possible when evaluating QB play.

I said football player. I'll take Jackson over Rodgers and Brady in that argument. If I'm starting a franchise from scratch then I'm picking Allen or Mahomes as my quarterback. Probably Watson and Herbert after that. If I have everything on the line for one game, or one drive, or one play, then I'm taking Brady. Allen second in that category.

So is it the coach making the player or the player making the coach?

A good coach puts his team, his players, his quarterback, in the best possible position to be successful (and then gets the f*ck out of the way). That's what they're doing with Jackson in Baltimore. The read option and RPOs are best suited to Jackson's extraordinary skill set. Head coach & quarterback are grading out an A+ so far. Their secondary, which isn't very good, had an epic meltdown against the Dolphins... otherwise Jackson is 3-0 and easy early MVP favorite.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Is Lamar Jackson as good a passer as Tom Brady??? The biggest outlier in sports history? The all time greatest player and QB.

Same for Mahomes to a much lesser extent. I mean he's had one of if not the best start statistically. From what we've seen so far there's not 10 QB's you'd rather have then Mahomes.

Let's look at the other names you brought up.

I've posted their stats a few times but Jackson has a higher comp %, ANY/A, YA, AY/A, NY/A and has taken less sacks than Allen for their career.

Herbert and Lamar are almost identical in all those stats. Herbert slightly ahead but there almost the same.

Lamar comes out ahead of Burrow and Burrow takes much worse sacks. Same for Stafford. Jackson comes out ahead looking at advanced stats.

So yes hes as good or better than the guys you brought up.

How was Stafford's playoff record before McVay? What was Allen's playoff record his first 2-3 years?

It's almost like you need more from your team and coaching staff against the best teams. And anyone who's watched Jackson has seen dropped balls, big players shrink, bad snaps, dumb coaching moves. He has to play better but his team hasn't shown up yet.

Sorry man you're swinging at air. All you have is your opinion which probably isn't worth much considering the stats above.

LJ is protected as a passer in the BAL offense.

Look at the % of of throws per game the QBs I brought up vs LJ. That is the difference. Those QBs are asked to carry the offense with their arms.

BAL asks LJ to use his legs when he can't make a play in the passing game. Same was with Vick. Same with Cunningham in Philly.

Ask him to throw 500-600 times and it's questionable these efficiency #s you call out scale. Why? Again, he's a limited passer.

Stafford threw up big numbers in DET. So does Allen. So does Burrow and everyone I mention. No comparison.

When LJ throws for 4000yds on 500+ attempts and his INT % is less than 3 we can have a real debate.

 

[VrabelJr]

Meanwhile Brian Hoyer is starting for your favorite team. YAWN

Hey that’s OUR favorite team