#FreeKendrickBourne -- Should Kendrick Bourne start against Steelers in Week2?

[Bill Lee]

And with that attitude we empower late 90s Favrevruh worship. Greatest ever! Boy that will be the end of an era when we lose Favrevruh. Wow look how emotional he is! Wow look how he's just having fun out there! Look at that gunslinger mentality!

We've learned how you actually get 7 rings. It's by being the first guy in the building a lot of the days and the last guy out, and never thinking you're done. And yeah I know he got one of those rings for Tampa.

But regardless who he plays for, do you think Tom Brady's career is best characterized as undisciplined or disciplined?

It's all about clicks these days, and the gunslinger who gets by without really having to work at it is a sexier story than the guy who grinds film and throws footballs into the net till well after closing time. The average person can relate to the one who gets by without working for it, since that's what most people do.

 

[Toofy]

So now Kendrick Bourne is so good that he should get free reign to do whatever he wants?

I have to reiterate, I LIKE Kendrick Bourne. But the degree to which people are pumping him up now as some game breaker who must be played at all costs is getting a bit ridiculous.

When you get peanuts out of the rest, if someone offers you cashews you take em up and put in pedestal . We are not brimming in a sea of riches right now...

 

[venecol]

I pointed this out during the offseason. This generation of young players is way different than the old Patriots Way players. Edelman alluded to this last season. The team lost it's #1 leader & the remnants of the old dynasty are few (Slater, McC).

The organization has to adapt to the new personnel or it dies. BB is 70 yo & was never up on SM or technology. He's a dinosaur out of touch w/ what interests these young guys. Patricia is cut from the same cloth. The draconian ways won't work going forward. You can see how BB is trying to change (apologizing to media, public pep talks about players, excuses & more excuses, letting players go wild on SM) but he won't connect with these players. He's just too old. The generational gap is too wide.

I get that the old timers here believe that what worked for 18 years can continue to work (no .changes required). There's a reason no NFL coach has been succesful in their 70s. The oldest coach to win a SB is Bruce Arians at 68.34 years (Halas won championship at 68.9 years).

 

[ashley]

I pointed this out during the offseason. This generation of young players is way different than the old Patriots Way players. Edelman alluded to this last season. The team lost it's #1 leader & the remnants of the old dynasty are few (Slater, McC).

The organization has to adapt to the new personnel or it dies. BB is 70 yo & was never up on SM or technology. He's a dinosaur out of touch w/ what interests these young guys. Patricia is cut from the same cloth. The draconian ways won't work going forward. You can see how BB is trying to change (apologizing to media, public pep talks about players, excuses & more excuses, letting players go wild on SM) but he won't connect with these players. He's just too old. The generational gap is too wide.

I get that the old timers here believe that what worked for 18 years can continue to work (no .changes required). There's a reason no NFL coach has been succesful in their 70s. The oldest coach to win a SB is Bruce Arians at 68.34 years (Halas won championship at 68.9 years).

I hear you and I think it's a fair point, but we're not that far removed from beating the Rams in the SB and up until game # 14 last year, we had the best record in the division and BB was the odds on favorite to win Coach of the Year.

 

[JayNM]

I pointed this out during the offseason. This generation of young players is way different than the old Patriots Way players. Edelman alluded to this last season. The team lost it's #1 leader & the remnants of the old dynasty are few (Slater, McC).

The organization has to adapt to the new personnel or it dies. BB is 70 yo & was never up on SM or technology. He's a dinosaur out of touch w/ what interests these young guys. Patricia is cut from the same cloth. The draconian ways won't work going forward. You can see how BB is trying to change (apologizing to media, public pep talks about players, excuses & more excuses, letting players go wild on SM) but he won't connect with these players. He's just too old. The generational gap is too wide.

I get that the old timers here believe that what worked for 18 years can continue to work (no .changes required). There's a reason no NFL coach has been succesful in their 70s. The oldest coach to win a SB is Bruce Arians at 68.34 years (Halas won championship at 68.9 years).

Undoubtedly a great point that many here never even thought about it, IMHO

 

[TomPatriot]

I pointed this out during the offseason. This generation of young players is way different than the old Patriots Way players. Edelman alluded to this last season. The team lost it's #1 leader & the remnants of the old dynasty are few (Slater, McC).

The organization has to adapt to the new personnel or it dies. BB is 70 yo & was never up on SM or technology. He's a dinosaur out of touch w/ what interests these young guys. Patricia is cut from the same cloth. The draconian ways won't work going forward. You can see how BB is trying to change (apologizing to media, public pep talks about players, excuses & more excuses, letting players go wild on SM) but he won't connect with these players. He's just too old. The generational gap is too wide.

I get that the old timers here believe that what worked for 18 years can continue to work (no .changes required). There's a reason no NFL coach has been succesful in their 70s. The oldest coach to win a SB is Bruce Arians at 68.34 years (Halas won championship at 68.9 years).

Idk. Bernie was pretty popular with youth and BB has usually had a good rapport with young, minority players. He’s frequently consulted and listened to Slater. I don’t think age is the problem. I think he’s been stubborn with his assistants and he has had some poor drafts.

 

[Bill Lee]

Idk. Bernie was pretty popular with youth and BB has usually had a good rapport with young, minority players. He’s frequently consulted and listened to Slater. I don’t think age is the problem. I think he’s been stubborn with his assistants and he has had some poor drafts.

I think what BB has done has been pretty consistent. He punished players for being late to team meetings even during a major snow storm. He often trades down in drafts to get more overall picks rather than a few higher picks. He often gets rid of players a year too early because he doesn't want to get stuck with them a year too late. He favors overall team depth over the stars and scrubs approach. He brings players into his system that he expects can conform to it, rather than trying to make a system that conforms to the players. His drafts look poor to people who don't factor in draft position and his desire to build team depth and his relatively good success at building the team via late round draft picks, UDFAs, and free agents.

A lot of fans hate these things, and in turn that makes it so mediots like Curran have things they can use to take him down a notch and lift themselves up a notch, yet it's clear BB doesn't care much about what the media says and does. The media has shown they need to get clicks to survive and they'll do pretty much anything to get them. Fans that can't see through that are destined to live a life of getting their emotions jerked around by the latest media troll job.

 

[Tottie]

I pointed this out during the offseason. This generation of young players is way different than the old Patriots Way players. Edelman alluded to this last season. The team lost it's #1 leader & the remnants of the old dynasty are few (Slater, McC).

The organization has to adapt to the new personnel or it dies. BB is 70 yo & was never up on SM or technology. He's a dinosaur out of touch w/ what interests these young guys. Patricia is cut from the same cloth. The draconian ways won't work going forward. You can see how BB is trying to change (apologizing to media, public pep talks about players, excuses & more excuses, letting players go wild on SM) but he won't connect with these players. He's just too old. The generational gap is too wide.

I get that the old timers here believe that what worked for 18 years can continue to work (no .changes required). There's a reason no NFL coach has been succesful in their 70s. The oldest coach to win a SB is Bruce Arians at 68.34 years (Halas won championship at 68.9 years).

I generally agree with you in terms of relating to people with such a huge age gap, but it's also not a rule. To use this forum as an example, there are some older guys that have shown they can relate. There are also others who believe tribal blind faith is the only way to go. BB has shown he is stubborn but flexible. We'll see what happens.

 

[Toofy]

I pointed this out during the offseason. This generation of young players is way different than the old Patriots Way players. Edelman alluded to this last season. The team lost it's #1 leader & the remnants of the old dynasty are few (Slater, McC).

The organization has to adapt to the new personnel or it dies. BB is 70 yo & was never up on SM or technology. He's a dinosaur out of touch w/ what interests these young guys. Patricia is cut from the same cloth. The draconian ways won't work going forward. You can see how BB is trying to change (apologizing to media, public pep talks about players, excuses & more excuses, letting players go wild on SM) but he won't connect with these players. He's just too old. The generational gap is too wide.

I get that the old timers here believe that what worked for 18 years can continue to work (no .changes required). There's a reason no NFL coach has been succesful in their 70s. The oldest coach to win a SB is Bruce Arians at 68.34 years (Halas won championship at 68.9 years).

Agree .. I think the biggest reason why bill's methods worked was because Brady brought in to the system . He took contracts much lower than what comparable qbs are taking.

And when a superstar QB, possibly GOAT buys in, everyone toes the line and the results are there on the field .

You do the same obstinate approach and team starts losing and there is nobody to be inspired of, you start losing the locker room. We would turn into lions in no time .

Bills goodwill will not last without leaders in locker room who buy in and whom the rest of players look up to and get inspired of . Slater, mccourty , Andrews are there , but they are on last legs and really not the superstars or idols who would inspire you a lot like Brady or Edelman or Gronk.

If you are losing in such bad fashion and you have a strict regime here, how are you gonna attract free agents . The only ones ending up here will be Mercenaries or FA on last legs.

As times change, people change, methods should also change.

 

[Calhoun44]

Not only did he pay the time, but so did the rest of the team and the fan base. My concern is that Bill will keep him out so as to not be seen as bending under public pressure.

You must be following a different Patriots coach than I have for the last 20+ years. I don't remember seeing any evidence of BB bending to public pressure or caring if it is perceived that way. He is probably the least likely sports figure that would be affected by anything besides doing what best for the team.

 

[captain stone]

You must be following a different Patriots coach than I have for the last 20+ years. I don't remember seeing any evidence of BB bending to public pressure or caring if it is perceived that way. He is probably the least likely sports figure that would be affected by anything besides doing what best for the team.

That hasn't always been true either.

 

[Calhoun44]

That hasn't always been true either.

I disagree. You honestly think he has done things to not win games? That is silly.

 

[paco130]

I pointed this out during the offseason. This generation of young players is way different than the old Patriots Way players. Edelman alluded to this last season. The team lost it's #1 leader & the remnants of the old dynasty are few (Slater, McC).

The organization has to adapt to the new personnel or it dies. BB is 70 yo & was never up on SM or technology. He's a dinosaur out of touch w/ what interests these young guys. Patricia is cut from the same cloth. The draconian ways won't work going forward. You can see how BB is trying to change (apologizing to media, public pep talks about players, excuses & more excuses, letting players go wild on SM) but he won't connect with these players. He's just too old. The generational gap is too wide.

I get that the old timers here believe that what worked for 18 years can continue to work (no .changes required). There's a reason no NFL coach has been successful in their 70s. The oldest coach to win a SB is Bruce Arians at 68.34 years (Halas won the championship at 68.9 years).

I would love to see Kraft make a change by having BB retire or be fired and making an offer that Sean Payton can't refuse.

 

[captain stone]

I disagree. You honestly think he has done things to not win games? That is silly.

SB52

and 4 days ago

 

[Calhoun44]

I disagree. You honestly think he has done things to not win games? That is silly.

I will; re-phrase that:
"You honestly think he has done things that intentionally hurt the goals of the team?"

 

[captain stone]

I will; re-phrase that:
"You honestly think he has done things that intentionally hurt the goals of the team?"

the 2020 season

 

[TheRainMaker]

I will; re-phrase that:
"You honestly think he has done things that intentionally hurt the goals of the team?"

Absolutely.

 

[Calhoun44]

SB52

and 4 days ago

SB52. That decision seems to have been made by Butler. He obviously either wasn't buying into the game plan or instilling confidence in the coaching staff (physically or mentally).

4 days ago... Bourne isn't someone that has enough cred on this team to not follow the rules. If he breaks rules and gets away with it, who else does? and then who else? and who else? Then we are the Jets. Fcuk that... I'd rather have a team that wins and loses as a team and builds character as the season goes on and then gets introduced as a team when we win our next SB.

 

[Calhoun44]

Absolutely.

That's crazy. Why would he do that? His ego and legacy is tied to winning. Please explain the reason, I don't see it.

 

[Calhoun44]

the 2020 season

The team needed a rebuild, what did you think he should have done differently. BTW, I really enjoyed watching that team, that year. The running game was fun to watch.