Predictions for Bucs record and Brady's stats 2022

[SHOWTIME15]

In other words the whole argument for Bill as GOAT coach comes down to rings. Which are a team stat and which players win not coaches. Got it

So Brady's rings are really the result of all 53 guys. Got it.

Coaches game plan, players execute said game plan. It's a 50/50 proposition.

 

[Guts]

Welcome to the Brady forum. This is the place for those fans who are bigger fans of Brady than they are of the New England Patriots. They can easily be outwitted in any argument as I have been doing for the past two years.

You've taken more Ls than anybody.

Nathan Peterman of football boards

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You've taken more Ls than anybody.

Nathan Peterman of football boards

Says who? The group of idiots who reside here? LOL

 

[Guts]

Says who? The group of idiots who reside here?

You reside here mainly though you're just insulting yourself

 

[1960Pats]

Brady topped Stafford in all of these regular season categories:

Wins
Completions
Completion Percentage
Yards
TDs
INTs (fewer)
INT% (lower)
1st Downs
QBR
Game-Winning Drives

Brady finished second in NFL MVP voting. Stafford wasn't even the most valuable player on his own team and he wasn't named to the pro bowl. He came in 27th on the top 100 player poll whereas Brady tops the list (at age 45). According to NFL players, Brady is the best player in the league. According to the AP, Brady had the better 2021 regular season.

You're making a false claim due to your obsessional hatred for Brady.

I think there's a disproportionate representation of Brady hatred on this forum... meaning there's a vocal group of the IBWT crowd in the forum membership who are embolden by the biases of the forum administration (particularly of the Mod(s)). This is my observation and experience. You shouldn't get dibs on freely expressing your opinion because it's in line with the Mod(s) and decidedly pro-Bill. You can't assume ownership of "it's my team and my head coach" through unwavering support. It's my team and my head coach too, I just have a different view, one that includes criticism.

I don't visit Red Sox forums, but are the Mods shutting down any criticism of Chaim Bloom and Alex Cora? Seems like both have done a miserable job this season. I'm pretty sure it's entirely reasonable that a Red Sox fan would be critical of the team, how it was constructed and coached. Do you lose your Red Sox fandom because you're critical of the GM, head coach and/or players? Obviously not. Somehow that doesn't apply on this forum. Criticize the team, or especially Bill, and you're accused of trolling and not being a true Patriots fan. It's ridiculous, especially when you get literally shut down (through bans and deleted posts).

Meanwhile, MAC10 lives on the Brady sub-forum, for the sole purpose of trolling Brady fans. Without consequence (other than making a grand fool of himself and getting beaten to a pulp in literally every discussion).

Calling a message board a Pats fans forum and not allowing any criticism of the HC of the Pats is the single most absurd thing I've ever seen. You can crap on any player you want, especially Brady, but don't dare say anything negative about the HC who hasn't won squat without him, and probably never will. The same thing is true for the game day threads and is the reason I never go there.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Calling a message board a Pats fans forum and not allowing any criticism of the HC of the Pats is the single most absurd thing I've ever seen. You can crap on any player you want, especially Brady, but don't dare say anything negative about the HC who hasn't won squat without him, and probably never will. The same thing is true for the game day threads and is the reason I never go there.

Then why are you here on this message board? The rest of us (outside of the Brady sub forum) are here to root for our HC.

 

[1960Pats]

Brady's game-winning drive in his first ever SB appearance.
Brady in OT at KC in the 2018 AFCCG.
Brady's 4th quarter against the Legion of Boom in SB 49.
Brady leading a comeback from 28-3 deficit in SB 51.

Let's not forget the two two TD comebacks vs the Ratbirds in 2014.

Lucky for Brady that he had Bill to coach him up huh? Same as Gronk, Gilmore, JC Jackson, Thuney, Mason, Edelman* and Amendola. No way they make plays without Bill writing notes on the sideline.

 

[1960Pats]

I would have never come here. Hell, I did not know this thread even existed. It doesn't feel right for a giant like myself to crush ants. You've got @crawhammer to thank for this, as he tagged me in this thread for some bizarre reason.

That sounds like a 10 year old wrote that. It's not crawhammer's fault that you're a troll. That's all on you.

 

[1960Pats]

Since the thread title's about predictions I decided to make my yearly playoff team predictions now, a week before the season starts.

NFC - Dal, GB, LAR, NO, Phi, SF and TB.
AFC - Bal, Buf, Cincy, Indy, KC, LAC and Tenn.

I'm sure there may be a couple of differences, Denver and Vegas in the AFC and Arizona in the NFC, but I think that's a pretty accurate list. The NYFL likes to shoot for parity, but with former Jets in charge it's more like parody.

On a semi-related note, I heard one of the radio clowns say that where a team finishes the previous year makes a big difference in that team's schedule. It's only a one game difference within each division. The biggest difference in schedules is from one division to the next. If division A is matching up with the AFCS and NFCS they'll have a much easier time than division B that plays the AFCW and NFCW.

That major difference, and the fact that any team only has to have a better record than 3 other teams to make the playoffs, makes this system a joke.

 

[sb1]

So Brady's rings are really the result of all 53 guys. Got it.

Coaches game plan, players execute said game plan. It's a 50/50 proposition.

Not really. Great QBs and players can carry any coach to a title. A subpar team with a great coach has a ceiling. We saw that ourselves in 2020. If it’s all Bill why did we have a losing season.

Take Bill away and the Patriots with Brady still win titles. Take Brady away and Bill hasn’t and doesn’t win a single playoff game without him so far. Nuff said.

 

[sb1]

Then why are you here on this message board? The rest of us (outside of the Brady sub forum) are here to root for our HC.

We root for the Patriots not the HC.

After the team moves on from Bill in a couple years or so I think you’d be the only poster in the Bill subforum lol

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Not really. Great QBs and players can carry any coach to a title. A subpar team with a great coach has a ceiling. We saw that ourselves in 2020. If it’s all Bill why did we have a losing season.

Take Bill away and the Patriots with Brady still win titles. Take Brady away and Bill hasn’t and doesn’t win a single playoff game without him so far. Nuff said.

He would have won exactly zero titles in NE without BIll...the guy was a 6th round pick that was developed by Bill and his coaching staff. Other teams would have cut him and Brady would be selling insurance with his dad. The chances of a 6th round pick becoming the most accomplished QB in NFL history are about as great as your chances of winning the lottery.

And frankly, I don't think you understand what goes on within the team's headquarters during the week. The coaching staff absolutely slaved away at preparing for their opponents over the past 20 yeras. It's not as if Brady was doing all the work in between games. Like I said, coaches develop game plans, players execute said game plans. Without either, you're not going to very good. We've seen examples of great coaches win with average QBs and to a lesser degree average coaches win with great QBs.

 

[crawhammer]

Says who? The group of idiots who reside here? LOL

LOL... You're so dense you can't see the irony of your comment. You post more in the TB forum than anyone else.

The chances of a 6th round pick becoming the most accomplished QB in NFL history are about as great as your chances of winning the lottery.

Which is why Belichick's the luckiest head coach of all-time. He was no better than Matt Patricia or Joe Judge as a head coach until Brady saved his career and put him in the HOF. If not for Mo Lewis and Tom Brady, Belichick would have been relegated to being a full-time DC by 2003.

And frankly, I don't think you understand what goes on within the team's headquarters during the week. The coaching staff absolutely slaved away at preparing for their opponents. It's not as if Brady was doing all the work in between games. Like I said, coaches develop game plans, players execute said game plans. Without either, you're not going to very good. We've seen examples of great coaches win with average QBs and to a lesser degree average coaches win with great QBs.

LOL... two seasons after Brady leaves, the team has to dumb down the offense because the coaching staff can't handle the complexities of what Brady was executing. The real genius of the operation was clearly Brady. In fact Brady's done a better job with personnel and coaching than Belichick since he's been in Tampa Bay. At ages 43 and 44 Brady had the two best back-to-back seasons of his career. Clearly Belichick's buffoonery was holding Brady back.

Yes, Belichick got incredibly lucky drafting the GOAT quarterback at 199, and yes he helped develop Brady, and they had a wildly successful collaboration, but Belichick got sloppy and arrogant, he tossed away the 2015 and 2017 seasons, and finally he treated Brady like a has-been. Brady ultimately wised up and took his greatest to the biggest loser organization in all of professional sports and immediately made them a champion. Meanwhile Belichick's back to being a .500 head coach, which is even an improvement on his pre-Brady résumé.

We have a new troll....at least a new account opened by an existing one. We're either being catfished or we have someone recruited to join just to troll. I'm not buying this sudden on the scene over the top Brady hater routine. I'm not biting this time. He has nothing useful to contribute. So on to mute he goes. I hope he and his twin brother can keep each other company

I know, this dude's way too over the top to be genuine. I just take the opportunity to reiterate all of Brady's unparalleled achievements.

 

[sb1]

He would have won exactly zero titles in NE without BIll...the guy was a 6th round pick that was developed by Bill and his coaching staff.

And until Brady became starter Bill was on his way to being a failed HC with his second straight team. 5-13 up to that point in NE.

Put Brady with a coach like Reid and he absolutely wins titles. No question.

Other teams would have cut him and Brady would be selling insurance with his dad.

That’s your opinion. I think with his work ethic and drive he would have easily caught on with lots of teams and won with them too.

The chances of a 6th round pick becoming the most accomplished QB in NFL history are about as great as your chances of winning the lottery.

“Most accomplished” - no, the greatest QB who ever lived. Get it right.

And frankly, I don't think you understand what goes on within the team's headquarters during the week. The coaching staff absolutely slaved away at preparing for their opponents over the past 20 yeras.

It's not as if Brady was doing all the work in between games. Like I said, coaches develop game plans, players execute said game plans. Without either, you're not going to very good. We've seen examples of great coaches win with average QBs and to a lesser degree average coaches win with great QBs.

What examples? What great coach has won it all with an average team? I doubt there are any. Sure average QBs have won but they’ve also had historic great defenses as teammates. Once again proving it’s the players that win not coaches.

Great coaches will never win without the players. It can’t be done. I’d rather have the great players.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

And until Brady became starter Bill was on his way to being a failed HC with his second straight team. 5-13 up to that point in NE.

Put Brady with a coach like Reid and he absolutely wins titles. No question.

That’s your opinion. I think with his work ethic and drive he would have easily caught on with lots of teams and won with them too.

LOL, where was his work ethic in 2019? And his work ethic by itself wouldn't have been enough without Bill developing him. That's something you don't understand. So that's YOUR opinion how he would have done with Reid. NE was probably the only team in 2000 that kept 4 QBs.

“Most accomplished” - no, the greatest QB who ever lived. Get it right.

Nah, he's the most accomplished and that's about it. Can't say for certain how Brady would have done in the 80s when football was a lot tougher than it is today. And can't say how QBs like Montana, Elway, Marino, etc would have done in today's game. Most clutch? That goes to Montana. Brady had too many F ups in the Super Bowl.

What examples? What great coach has won it all with an average team? I doubt there are any. Sure average QBs have won but they’ve also had historic great defenses as teammates. Once again proving it’s the players that win not coaches.

I said "average quarterbacks." Get it right.

Great coaches will never win without the players. It can’t be done. I’d rather have the great players.

Um yeah it will be tough for any coach to win without any players out on the field.

 

[Guts]

LOL, where was his work ethic in 2019? And his work ethic wouldn't have been enough without Bill developing him. That's something you don't understand. So that's YOUR opinion how he would have done with Reid. NE was probably the only team in 2000 that kept 4 QBs.



Nah, he's the most accomplished and that's about it. Can't say for certain how Brady would have done in the 80s when football was a lot tougher than it is today. And can't say how QBs like Montana, Elway, Marino, etc would have done in today's game. Most clutch? That goes to Montana. Brady had too many F ups in the Super Bowl.



I said "average quarterbacks." Get it right.


Um yeah it will be tough for any coach to win without any players out on the field.

Don't make me take out the receipts of you calling him the GOAT lol

 

[sb1]

LOL, where was his work ethic in 2019? And his work ethic by itself wouldn't have been enough without Bill developing him. That's something you don't understand. So that's YOUR opinion how he would have done with Reid. NE was probably the only team in 2000 that kept 4 QBs.

For all the credit Bill gets if Bill has some magic QB wand how come he couldn’t win with Cam Newton and Drew Bledsoe? Where was that “development” then? Hint: it’s not the coach it’s the QB.

Nah, he's the most accomplished and that's about it.

This guy disagrees with you. I take it you’ve heard of him

Joe Montana Says Tom Brady Is The Greatest Quarterback Of All-Time

The original GOAT has given up the ghost. Former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Joe Montana appeared on ESPN’s First Take to talk Niners, Jimmy Garoppolo, and his assessment that Tom Brady i…

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Can't say for certain how Brady would have done in the 80s when football was a lot tougher than it is today. And can't say how QBs like Montana, Elway, Marino, etc would have done in today's game. Most clutch? That goes to Montana.

That’s not a criteria for the greatest of all time. Otherwise nobody is GOAT.

Yes Tom is the most accomplished - almost entirely because of his own contributions. It wasn’t his coach. Arians didn’t make Tom win Super Bowl 55 that was Tom. He has made teams better when he is on them and worse when he is not. He had had too many iconic moments to count. He’s the face of the entire league. He’s an icon both in and out of football. When someone outside of his sport is known as a winner, Brady’s name always comes up in comparison. Brady will be remembered not just in football but in any sport 50 years from now. That is the greatest of all time.

And his peers agree. Q.E.D. It’s over

I said "average quarterbacks." Get it right.

Teams with average QBs don’t win Super Bowls unless there is something else about that team like a historic defense.

Coaches no matter how great they are don’t win a thing without great players. In the case of Bill he couldn’t even finish .500 the year after Brady left and oversaw the worst defensive performance of all time in a playoff game. Pats could have done that with any coach.

Um yeah it will be tough for any coach to win without any players out on the field.

Lol. That’s not what I meant.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

For all the credit Bill gets if Bill has some magic QB wand how come he couldn’t win with Cam Newton and Drew Bledsoe? Where was that “development” then? Hint: it’s not the coach it’s the QB.

Cam Newton signed with the team late n July 2020 and didn't exactly grasp the playbook. And did you forget about all the covid opt outs that year? As far as Bledsoe is concerned, he did not fit Bill's system and wasn't even his choice to be QB. It was clear that by 2000, Bledsoe was on the down end of his career.

How about asking this, "How was Bill able to win with Matt Cassel, Jimmy, Jacoby, and Mac?"

This guy disagrees with you. I take it you’ve heard of him

Joe Montana Says Tom Brady Is The Greatest Quarterback Of All-Time

The original GOAT has given up the ghost. Former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Joe Montana appeared on ESPN’s First Take to talk Niners, Jimmy Garoppolo, and his assessment that Tom Brady i…

joemontanasrightarm.com

That’s not a criteria for the greatest of all time. Otherwise nobody is GOAT.

There doesn't have to be a greatest of all time. This is why I keep saying Brady is the most accomplished of all time. However, if the Super Bowl were tomorrow and I had to pick one QB in NFL history to lead my team, it would probably be Montana since we know Brady has a tendency to F up in the super bowl. I didn't say Montana was the most accomplished. I said he was the most clutch, expecially in the Super Bowl. Only one team owned Montana when he was playing and that was the NY Giants (led by Bill's D). In contrast, nearly 13% of the NFL has bragging rights over Timmy:

NYG - lost two super bowls

Broncos - lost 2 AFCCGs and a AFC wild card

LA Rams - 1-3 vs McVay

Saints - 1-5 vs the Saints as a Buc

It is rather pathetic for a so-called GOAT to have 4 different Kryptonites. Since the real Super Man only had one kryptonite, I guess you can't call Brady the Super Man of the NFL, can we? Even Michael Jordan didn't have any Kryptonites. This is why I put Brady a level below MJ, Tiger, Federer, etc.

Yes Tom is the most accomplished - almost entirely because of his own contributions. It wasn’t his coach. Arians didn’t make Tom win Super Bowl 55 that was Tom. He has made teams better when he is on them and worse when he is not. He had had too many iconic moments to count. He’s the face of the entire league. He’s an icon both in and out of football. When someone outside of his sport is known as a winner, Brady’s name always comes up in comparison. Brady will be remembered not just in football but in any sport 50 years from now. That is the greatest of all time.

No. Brady was not good in college and was not good in 2000. Bill developed him into a very good QB and then he became an elite QB in 2007.
Belichick, Weis, Tom House, Scarnecchia, and others contributed greatly.

And his peers agree. Q.E.D. It’s over

You do realize only a small percentage of NFL players actually vote for NFL Top 100, don't you? It's a meaningless accolade.

 

[VectorPrime]

Joe Montana, like all of Brady’s foes aside from Eli, was finally beaten down into submission a few years back.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Joe Montana, like all of Brady’s foes aside from Eli, was finally beaten down into submission a few years back.

Yeah it took him 17 years to become the most accomplished, while Montana got that title in only 9 years.