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The quote tags are messed up, @Ring 6. Tagging you so you can see it.
Not so sure about that. $30M put him up there with Cousins at the time. It was a tender number, and it was a commitment for more than a year. The Patriots, on the other hand, were basically putting lipstick on the pig. These two year deals you keep referencing were really only year-to-year deals.
Not really. There was no rift reported before Bill basically began to separate the team from Guerrero. What precipitated that isn’t exactly known, but that’s where it started. So, you could try to argue that the wedge was there forever if you wish, but that’s merely revisionist history.
We know this. He restructured his contract before that to help the team and had an $8M cap hit the year before. How does this address 2020 and beyond?
??? You mean in 2020? After the 2019 season? There was no new contract offer. The deals he signed prior to that were revisited each year. In essence, they were one year deals.
He turned 43 in his first season there, turned 44 in his second season, and the contract ended at his age 45 season. Then he signed a one year extension in March of 2021 which took him through his age 45 season. Pick nits if you want, but Tampa gave Brady what he wanted. We had numerous opportunities to do the same before he hit FA, and decided not to. Hopefully it works out for us with Mac, because it has certainly worked out for Brady.
You keep saying this, but there’s no evidence at all that there were two way communications… much less a conversation about a contract offer. If there was, one would think that he’d have signed with Miami or that Miami would have at least come down to his top two teams. They didn’t. The consensus at the time was that his top two teams were the Bucs and the Chargers.
Further, if he was so disenfranchised at the time, and it was clearly caused by the tampering as you claim, why would Kraft say he wasn’t happy to see Brady leave after he won a Super Bowl with Tampa? Surely, if the relationship with the team was strained that much because Brady engaged Miami when they tampered with him, Kraft would not have said that, would he? As a matter of fact, here’s the full quote:
"Well, I was really happy for him," Kraft told Breer. "He's a great guy, and he gave us 20 wonderful years, and he made the choice to do what he wanted to do. Look, I wasn't that happy to see him leave, but we gave him that opportunity to do it. And I want to say if we're not going to win, and someone's got to do it, I'm happy for him. He deserves it."
I italicized an interesting part of the quote - “…but we gave him the opportunity to do it.” That’s pretty well known unless you’re trying to rewrite history. BB clearly wanted to move on, as he never budged off of the offer from the 2018 offseason. Brady wasn’t interested in going year to year, so he took the opportunity. The opportunity would not have been there if the Pats had signed him through 2021, and none of this would have mattered.
I’m guessing you’re referencing a Tweet from Jeff Howe here? The additional offer after 2020 was disputed by Rapaport, Schefter, and Curran. As a matter of fact, the Patriots waited to see if he wanted to return before offering him anything.
As for Howe’s report about the 2YR, $53M offer? That was in TC of 2019. Howe didn’t even specify an exact date as his report was after the fact. So 1) we don’t know if that was before Miami reached out to him, and 2) that isn’t proof of another offer after the 2019 season.
All that to say, I’m not sure how you can use that report to fortify your stance that the Miami tampering soured Brady’s relationship with the team.
Yeah. BB no longer had faith in Brady’s ability to play until 45. That’s what changed. He could have easily signed Brady multiple times through this year. If the relationship was as freshly soured as you claim it was, I don’t think BB would have made it a point to catch up with Brady in the locker room after the game against Tampa last year.
Mere guesswork. Teams tamper to sign the player. The tampering rules even state that the commissioner should consider whether the player signed with the tampering team when examining possible punishments.
This “disruption” argument is mere guesswork to try to add veracity to your claims because history didn’t work out that way. Licht even said that Brady pitched the Bucs on his services during their first or second call with them. Why would he do that this if there were discussions serious enough with Miami that they “disrupted the relationship” with a team he spent two decades with?
It’s easier to buy that story with hindsight now that Brady’s gone than it is to buy a report from a league who ignored the Ideal Gas Law in order to suspend Brady. That is, if you’re being unbiased about this whole thing and awaiting more details/proof.
Not so sure about that. $30M put him up there with Cousins at the time. It was a tender number, and it was a commitment for more than a year. The Patriots, on the other hand, were basically putting lipstick on the pig. These two year deals you keep referencing were really only year-to-year deals.
Not really. There was no rift reported before Bill basically began to separate the team from Guerrero. What precipitated that isn’t exactly known, but that’s where it started. So, you could try to argue that the wedge was there forever if you wish, but that’s merely revisionist history.
We know this. He restructured his contract before that to help the team and had an $8M cap hit the year before. How does this address 2020 and beyond?
??? You mean in 2020? After the 2019 season? There was no new contract offer. The deals he signed prior to that were revisited each year. In essence, they were one year deals.
He turned 43 in his first season there, turned 44 in his second season, and the contract ended at his age 45 season. Then he signed a one year extension in March of 2021 which took him through his age 45 season. Pick nits if you want, but Tampa gave Brady what he wanted. We had numerous opportunities to do the same before he hit FA, and decided not to. Hopefully it works out for us with Mac, because it has certainly worked out for Brady.
You keep saying this, but there’s no evidence at all that there were two way communications… much less a conversation about a contract offer. If there was, one would think that he’d have signed with Miami or that Miami would have at least come down to his top two teams. They didn’t. The consensus at the time was that his top two teams were the Bucs and the Chargers.
Further, if he was so disenfranchised at the time, and it was clearly caused by the tampering as you claim, why would Kraft say he wasn’t happy to see Brady leave after he won a Super Bowl with Tampa? Surely, if the relationship with the team was strained that much because Brady engaged Miami when they tampered with him, Kraft would not have said that, would he? As a matter of fact, here’s the full quote:
"Well, I was really happy for him," Kraft told Breer. "He's a great guy, and he gave us 20 wonderful years, and he made the choice to do what he wanted to do. Look, I wasn't that happy to see him leave, but we gave him that opportunity to do it. And I want to say if we're not going to win, and someone's got to do it, I'm happy for him. He deserves it."
I italicized an interesting part of the quote - “…but we gave him the opportunity to do it.” That’s pretty well known unless you’re trying to rewrite history. BB clearly wanted to move on, as he never budged off of the offer from the 2018 offseason. Brady wasn’t interested in going year to year, so he took the opportunity. The opportunity would not have been there if the Pats had signed him through 2021, and none of this would have mattered.
I’m guessing you’re referencing a Tweet from Jeff Howe here? The additional offer after 2020 was disputed by Rapaport, Schefter, and Curran. As a matter of fact, the Patriots waited to see if he wanted to return before offering him anything.
As for Howe’s report about the 2YR, $53M offer? That was in TC of 2019. Howe didn’t even specify an exact date as his report was after the fact. So 1) we don’t know if that was before Miami reached out to him, and 2) that isn’t proof of another offer after the 2019 season.
All that to say, I’m not sure how you can use that report to fortify your stance that the Miami tampering soured Brady’s relationship with the team.
Yeah. BB no longer had faith in Brady’s ability to play until 45. That’s what changed. He could have easily signed Brady multiple times through this year. If the relationship was as freshly soured as you claim it was, I don’t think BB would have made it a point to catch up with Brady in the locker room after the game against Tampa last year.
Mere guesswork. Teams tamper to sign the player. The tampering rules even state that the commissioner should consider whether the player signed with the tampering team when examining possible punishments.
This “disruption” argument is mere guesswork to try to add veracity to your claims because history didn’t work out that way. Licht even said that Brady pitched the Bucs on his services during their first or second call with them. Why would he do that this if there were discussions serious enough with Miami that they “disrupted the relationship” with a team he spent two decades with?
It’s easier to buy that story with hindsight now that Brady’s gone than it is to buy a report from a league who ignored the Ideal Gas Law in order to suspend Brady. That is, if you’re being unbiased about this whole thing and awaiting more details/proof.
