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2. However I'm still having a problem getting passed the 7.25 3-cone time, which is btw, a full 2 tenths SLOWER than our freakin' QB. I am a BIG fan of short area quickness over long field speed. JE was a perfect example. A 6.6 3cone and 4.6 speed turned into a LOT of yards over the years. But like all things these abilities can be developed. His athleticism and explosiveness (vertical and broad jumps are both excellent),
3-cone times:
Julian Edelman 6.62
Mac Jones 7.04
Jakobi Meyers 7.07
Wes Welker 7.09
Tom Brady 7.20
Tyquan Thornton 7.25
DK Metcalf 7.38

Tyquan is quick off the line and changes direction well while going forward. Welker and Edelman are quick going sideways (we do not want Tyquan to do this). Edelman, Welker, and Myers can not threaten the deep part of the field adequately to command a double team or a deep safety. Not sure you can tell much from those 3-cone times other than Edelman is amazingly quick which we already knew. Do you think Tom Brady can change directions while running full speed like Tyquan does in Lazar's video? Of course not, so I am not sure the 3-cone is a great measurement for Tyquan or DK Metcalf's role in the offense.
 
Premature ejaculation of opinion to follow: the last WR I remember groking the playbook scheme ab initio was The Twig. Temporarily out of work I was at Smithfield a lot and it was apparent that the rook was in tune with the O right from the get go.
That camp Dan Graham displayed hands of stone.

Will never forget how great he was great right off the bat. Toasted Pittsburgh in his debut for the opening night beat down. Through 6 games he was on pace for 1000 yards then injuries messed up the rest of that season.
 
OK, i've got a few thoughts on this topic.

1, The best thing about Lazar's film study, IMHO were the many examples that showed how well he caught the ball outside his frame. It made me feel much better about the pick. The fact that he seems to understand some of the finer points of route running also bodes well. Plus never underestimate the ability to track the ball and adjust to it. He seems to do that very well too, so it became clear he is a lot more than just 4.2 40 speed.

2. However I'm still having a problem getting passed the 7.25 3-cone time, which is btw, a full 2 tenths SLOWER than our freakin' QB. I am a BIG fan of short area quickness over long field speed. JE was a perfect example. A 6.6 3cone and 4.6 speed turned into a LOT of yards over the years. But like all things these abilities can be developed. His athleticism and explosiveness (vertical and broad jumps are both excellent),

3 Personally I don't see big things from him this coming season. Something in the 4-500 yd range, I'd consider excellent. I'd actually like to see him start his education from the slot. By learning the WR position inside out, it will give him a fuller view of how the offense is built, as well as force him to improve that short area quickness. Of course you can have him run go patterns and deep crossers depending on matchups and injuries My ideal would be having Bourne up his offensive snap count to the 60+ % level and have Thornton and Meyers split the rest as well as plays some outside snaps as well.

4. As for his strength, looks like he has more than we thought, though I like to see see him add 10lbs of muscle to that frame over the next few years. HOWEVER I can't tell you how upset I get watching football players maxing out on one lift heavy lifts. The only one who wins that contest is the orthopedist. Getting strong is rather simple. Fatigue the muscle to complete failure, rinse and repeat. Its not rocket science. For example, when lifting heavier weights you stop when the lactic acid builds up in the muscle and forces you to stop. When lifting heavier weights that's usually 3 or 4 reps after it first appears. To over simplify, using lighter weights in a more controlled manner, not just throwing it up using momentum, one will be able to do do 18-20 reps and lift 10 or so reps under duress and thus fatigue the muscle more fully and effectively building.

I've been using this system on and off for well over a decade, unfortunately off has been more than on the last few years. But this summer one of my Poker buddies has a son who is playing small college NE football (a 300lb OT no less) I have worked this system with him and a few of his teammates this summer and have seen a lot of gains, without the risks we see in the Thornton clip. Kind of a pet peeve of mine, though I think the NFL is really coming around on this. Sorry about the digression. Carry on.

What was Randy Moss' three cone drill time? I see the Pats using Thornton more like they used Moss than they used Edelman. Thornton is a different type of receiver than people usually associate with the Pats. I don't think he will be running a lot of routes where it is designed for him to make a quick cut on a dime. I could be wrong.
 
3-cone times:
Julian Edelman 6.62
Mac Jones 7.04
Jakobi Meyers 7.07
Wes Welker 7.09
Tom Brady 7.20
Tyquan Thornton 7.25
DK Metcalf 7.38

Tyquan is quick off the line and changes direction well while going forward. Welker and Edelman are quick going sideways (we do not want Tyquan to do this). Edelman, Welker, and Myers can not threaten the deep part of the field adequately to command a double team or a deep safety. Not sure you can tell much from those 3-cone times other than Edelman is amazingly quick which we already knew. Do you think Tom Brady can change directions while running full speed like Tyquan does in Lazar's video? Of course not, so I am not sure the 3-cone is a great measurement for Tyquan or DK Metcalf's role in the offense.
Moss was 7.19 3 cone.

Having a good 3 cone is imperative if you can't stretch the field.

When you can do both you are Julio Jones
 
What was Randy Moss' three cone drill time? I see the Pats using Thornton more like they used Moss than they used Edelman. Thornton is a different type of receiver than people usually associate with the Pats. I don't think he will be running a lot of routes where it is designed for him to make a quick cut on a dime. I could be wrong.

Yeah, 3 cone drills are to measure acceleration and change of direction in short distances. It is really a good measure for slot receivers and edge pass rushers, but really doesn't mean much for most other positions.
 
Moss was 7.19 3 cone.

Having a good 3 cone is imperative if you can't stretch the field.

When you can do both you are Julio Jones
That's very interesting. Maybe the Moss comp is somewhat fitting. Moss ran a 4.25 forty, Thornton ran a 4.28. Moss had a 7.19 three cone, Thornton was a 7.25. Moss had an arm length of 34 inches, Thornton's arms are 33.25 inches. Obviously one physical difference is size - Moss was 2 inches taller (6'4" vs 6'2") and Moss was heavier (194 lbs vs Thornton at 181 lbs)
 
Moss was 7.19 3 cone.

Having a good 3 cone is imperative if you can't stretch the field.

When you can do both you are Julio Jones
Not the biggest deal but some dispute those workout #'s posted. I believe they were hand timed as well. If it's the the same one I'm thinking of it also says Randy had a 33 inch vert which is extremely hard to believe considering Moss was catching and cuffing rim in hs.
 
That's very interesting. Maybe the Moss comp is somewhat fitting. Moss ran a 4.25 forty, Thornton ran a 4.28. Moss had a 7.19 three cone, Thornton was a 7.25. Moss had an arm length of 34 inches, Thornton's arms are 33.25 inches. Obviously one physical difference is size - Moss was 2 inches taller (6'4" vs 6'2") and Moss was heavier (194 lbs vs Thornton at 181 lbs)
Not the biggest deal but some dispute those workout #'s posted. I believe they were hand timed as well. If it's the the same one I'm thinking of it also says Randy had a 33 inch vert which is extremely hard to believe considering Moss was catching and cuffing rim in hs.
Yep.

My concern is many posters are hung up on the 3 cone when there are lots of ways to get open and be productive.

I like players that break ankles as well but I also like productive field-stretchers.
 
Yep.

My concern is many posters are hung up on the 3 cone when there are lots of ways to get open and be productive.

I like players that break ankles as well but I also like productive field-stretchers.
That and the weight, but DeVonta Smith was the #10 overall pick a season ago and he was only 166 pounds so it's not like Thornton is emaciated or something.
 
That and the weight, but DeVonta Smith was the #10 overall pick a season ago and he was only 166 pounds so it's not like Thornton is emaciated or something.
In addition there is something to be said for reading defenses, making sight adjustments, etc.

It's one thing to know your own playbook. It's something altogether different to reading the opposing D and run the appropriate route to beat said D.
 
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I dont have high expectations for Thortwn this year. I love the tape I've seen, but it's a long way from college to the NFL.

Looks like a high ceiling though.
 
That and the weight, but DeVonta Smith was the #10 overall pick a season ago and he was only 166 pounds so it's not like Thornton is emaciated or something.

Emaciated? No. Wicked skinny? Affirmative.

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From yesterday.

Still like the aggressiveness of the pick and love the kid’s upside. His 3-cone underplays his change of direction ability. Of course he isn’t Edelman in that regard but he has some lateral wiggle to his game. Like I will be with Strange, I will be rooting hard for Thornton to prove his doubters wrong.
 
Yep.

My concern is many posters are hung up on the 3 cone when there are lots of ways to get open and be productive.

I like players that break ankles as well but I also like productive field-stretchers.
Hoping he and his 4.29 speed become enough of a threat that he consistently drags a safety deep along with his CB shadow.
His playmaker teammates should prosper with more space

BB should bring in Straight Cash Homey for some tutorials

 
Hoping he and his 4.29 speed become enough of a threat that he consistently drags a safety deep along with his CB shadow.
His playmaker teammates should prosper with more space

BB should bring in Straight Cash Homey for some tutorials


Yep.

Randy was fine in the short/medium passing game because they gave him a big cushion and he knew how to sit in a zone.

To expect Thornton to learn the latter Day 1 is not realistic.
 
I think we’ll try to utilize his speed in many ways including some quick hitters.
 


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