Harry to Chicago for 2024 7th rounder

[venecol]

We got a better return for Ryan Izzo (2018 7th Rder) in 2021 (a 2022 7th) than we did for Harry (2024 7th). What a joke.

 

[venecol]

The idea that Bill is this genius GM is so overblown, at least in the last few years. Both his drafts and trades have been pretty awful. Even Kraft acknowledged the subpar drafts. His trades are worse. Old man is losing his touch.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

 

[Wozzy]

The idea that Bill is this genius GM is so overblown, at least in the last few years. Both his drafts and trades have been pretty awful. Even Kraft acknowledged the subpar drafts. His trades are worse. Old man is losing his touch.

He took them from 7 wins to the playoffs with a rookie QB… sold take.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

The idea that Bill is this genius GM is so overblown, at least in the last few years. Both his drafts and trades have been pretty awful. Even Kraft acknowledged the subpar drafts. His trades are worse. Old man is losing his touch.

^^^^The quality of posts on patsfans has gone way down

 

[venecol]

He took them from 7 wins to the playoffs with a rookie QB… sold take.

That would be HC Bill. Solid take.

 

[Wozzy]

That would be HC Bill. Solid take.

They’re one and the same… the same guy who drafted Brady, Seymour, Gronk and others.

Oh yeah, he also drafted Mac, Barmore and Rhamondre…

I can’t pretend anymore, your takes are terrible entitled takes… at least the last few years.

 

[Toofy]

The ramifications of Harry's ineptitude were so huge. We just kept making more mistakes to rectify it..

Antonio Brown trade
Sanu second round trade
Agholor contract
Going for Jonnu as double insurance
Now drafting Thornton because speed Trump's everything else after Harry effect..

Brady leaving might also be indirectly attributed to Harry . If at all metcalf was here we might still be a decent team.

The most unpopular pick of all time for patriots and boy! We are glad he has left ..

 

[ralmat55]

2019 ended because Brady was hurt, he was suffering from three separate injuries.

2020 was a cap clearing season, a salary dump… that’s why they offered their starting QB 500K guaranteed. Look at other successful rebuilds in history, we’re talking 1-4 win seasons. The results of that season were completely irrelevant except for the fact they cleared 1/4 of their entire (dead) cap debt off the books and cleared the way for the massive spending spree in 2021.

In 2021 they drafted the best rookie QB in the entire class, the best DT and arguably the best RB… now they’re on an upward trajectory.

Turning an NFL franchise around is akin to turning an oil tanker around… it’s not Kevin Durant or Tom Brady taking their services to an already very good team.

That the Brady-stans can’t recognize this isn’t surprising… they believe in magical QB’s that make total team success happen… they believe in fairytales.

That the Belichick-Stan’s can’t recognize (although they can seem to recognize it in others) but that’s not surprising. .. they believe in a magical HC that make total team success happen. They believe in fairytales (and hooded false Gods).

 

[venecol]

They’re one in the same… the same guy who drafted Brady, Seymour, Gronk and others. Oh yeah, he also drafted Mac, Barmore and Rhamondre…

I can’t pretend anymore, yours are terrible entitled takes…

You need to improve your reading comprehension. I said recent years. His recent drafts excepting 2021 have been awful. His trades going back to 2019 have been terrible. Those are facts. Get your head out of the sand.

 

[Wozzy]

That the Belichick-Stan’s can’t recognize (although they can seem to recognize it in others) but that’s not surprising. .. they believe in a magical HC that make total team success happen. They believe in fairytales (and hooded false Gods).

BB-stan’s don’t exist… he doesn’t strap on a helmet or pads, he doesn’t play.

But he did draft and develop Brady… so it seems whatever nonsense the Bradystans believe was only made possible by that guy they hate and resent so much.

 

[Wozzy]

You need to improve your reading comprehension. I said recent years. His recent drafts excepting 2021 have been awful. His trades going back to 2019 have been terrible. Those are facts. Get your head out of the sand.

Going back to 2019 huh? You go back one more season and they’re winning a Super Bowl.

Everything after 2019 has been rebuilding from the ground floor up. I guess you were a child when this dynasty started, that’s why you have a wide eyed version of how it began with Tom arriving here via rocket ship to save us all.

 

[venecol]

Going back to 2019 huh? You go back one more season and they’re winning a Super Bowl.

Trades back to 2019 (didn't bother checking before that). Drafts to 2014.

Everything after 2019 has been rebuilding from the ground floor up. I guess you were a child when this dynasty started, that’s why you have a wide eyed version of how it began with Tom arriving here via rocket ship to save us all.

Everything is an excuse with you on blinders. The fact Bill is both GM & HC gives him ZERO excuses. It's 100% his teams he's putting out there. Devoid of talent? It's Bill's doing.

Haven't mentioned Brady, but since you keep bringing him up, why hasn't Bill been able to win a division w/o him behind C? I know, more excuses.

 

[RobertWeathers]

You need to improve your reading comprehension. I said recent years. His recent drafts excepting 2021 have been awful. His trades going back to 2019 have been terrible. Those are facts. Get your head out of the sand.

Which trades were bad?

Might be harsh on the drafting.

Rule of thumb is if the team lands 2 starters and a solid reserve every draft they are ahead of the game.

2020
Dugger
Ownenu

Herron

2019
Harris
Bailey (All-Pro)
Cowart started 14 games in 2020 was IR in 2021

Cajuste finally played and started a couple of games and was game day active 7

2018
Wynn
Michel
Bentley

There is no debate Dawson, SloJuan and Harry were bad misses but if you look at the majority of NFL teams, they miss at the bottom of the 1st and in the 2nd and 3rd rounds as well.

 

[venecol]

Which trades were bad?

See for yourself. How many would you say are good trades?

These are the recent trades made by Bill:

2019:
Bennet - to DAL for 2021 6th
Sanu - from ATL for 2020 2nd
D Thomas - to NYJ for 2021 6th
Crossen - to HOU for 2020 6th
Dawson - to DEN w/ 2020 7th for 2020 6th
Bodine - from BUF for 2020 6th
Cunningham - from ARI for 2020 6th
Eluemunor - from BAL w/ 2020 6th for 2020 4th
Saubert - from ATL for 2020 7th
Hollister - to SEA for 2020 7th
Bennet - from PHI w/ 2020 7th for 2020 5th

2020:
I Ford - from MIA for 2022 6th
M Jackson - from DET for 2022 cond.
Gronk - to TB w/ 2020 7th for 2020 4th
Harmon - to DET w/ 2020 7th for 2020 5th

2021:
Gilly - to CAR for a 2023 6th
Y Durant - from KC for 2022 7th
Wade - from BAL for 2022 7th & 2023 5th
Michel - to LAR for 2022 6th & 2023 4th
R Izzo - to HOU for 2022 7th
Cannon - to HOU w/ 2021 5th & 6th for 2021 4th & 6th
T Brown - from LVR +2022 7th for 2022 5th

2022:
Harry - to CHI for 2024 7th
Stidham - to LVR +2023 7th for 2023 6th
Parker - from MIA +2022 5th for a 2023 3rd
Mason - to TB for a 2022 5th
Wino - to CLE for Wilson

There's a whole lot of terrible trades in last 4 years. The best trade out of the whole lot is probably T Brown but he only played 10 games. I would have to say that for the most part Bill got fleeced (especially by ATL, BAL & TB).

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Which trades were bad?

Might be harsh on the drafting.

Rule of thumb is if the team lands 2 starters and a solid reserve every draft they are ahead of the game.

2020
Dugger
Ownenu

Herron

2019
Harris
Bailey (All-Pro)
Cowart started 14 games in 2020 was IR in 2021

Cajuste finally played and started a couple of games and was game day active 7

2018
Wynn
Michel
Bentley

There is no debate Dawson, SloJuan and Harry were bad misses but if you look at the majority of NFL teams, they miss at the bottom of the 1st and in the 2nd and 3rd rounds as well.

Plus when evaluating trades where the Pats receive draft picks you always have to consider whom the Pats ended up drafting with those picks...

2-3 starters a draft is great. Anything more is gravy.

 

[203Pat]

That’s all you people do… whine.

Any toughness baked into the Patriot fanbase after years and years of futility was lost thanks to Belichick in the 2000’s.

The level of entitlement is unmatched in all of pro football and perhaps pro sports. Now we have a generation of snowflakes who think that just because the Pats made winning rings look easy, that it really is.

Not sure how it is whining to say that the drafts as of late have been subpar to flat out bad. Basically any time anything on here that is pointed out that isn't sunshine and rainbows you get some 60 something boomer talking about "In my day!". Somehow because you're old that means you're a better fan? The team hasn't drafted well for a while. Bill has made some extremely questionable personnel moves in the last few years. The team imploded down the stretch last year. Saying those things doesn't make you less of a fan. The same way all these cry babies whine that people still root for Brady or Gronk they whine if anyone dare question the infallible Bill Belichick. Bill is the greatest coach to ever do it but it isn't out of the realm of possibility that he has lost his fastball.

 

[ashley]

See for yourself. How many would you say are good trades?

You forgot one, he also made the trade up in last years draft to grab Barmore. That's looking pretty good now. We'll see though how this team does the next two or three years.

 

[venecol]

You forgot one, he also made the trade up in last years draft to grab Barmore. That's looking pretty good now. We'll see though how this team does the next two or three years.

Those don't include draft trades, just trades for players outside the draft.

Funny thing is a lot of the picks he got from his trades, he ended up trading away. Lol

 

[Wozzy]

Which trades were bad?

Might be harsh on the drafting.

Rule of thumb is if the team lands 2 starters and a solid reserve every draft they are ahead of the game.

2020
Dugger
Ownenu

Herron

2019
Harris
Bailey (All-Pro)
Cowart started 14 games in 2020 was IR in 2021

Cajuste finally played and started a couple of games and was game day active 7

2018
Wynn
Michel
Bentley

There is no debate Dawson, SloJuan and Harry were bad misses but if you look at the majority of NFL teams, they miss at the bottom of the 1st and in the 2nd and 3rd rounds as well.

BB sucks as long as you ignore all the good young rookies that they have developed.

The trades are laughable… the market dictates trade return, not the whims of whiny fans.

Gilmore being a prime example, he was 30 years old coming off major surgery and oh yeah, had the largest cap hit on the entire team. Why did they only get a late round pick in return? Because nobody wanted him at all, they announced they were going to release him… then Carolina who just lost their 1st round draft pick CB to season ending injury offered that late pick. And BB sucks for it…. laughable.