PFT: Matt Patricia to call plays on offense?

[SHOWTIME15]

Ready for the Tompa Gronka boys to use these quotes to start another fellatio fest about Twommy and his big brain in 3….2….1….

I think this is more about the receivers and perhaps the new "OC." Perhaps this is a reason why Harry hasn't been cut yet. BB wants to see how he'll do with the new terminology.

 

[Rob0729]

It’s not a “defense” it’s a reality.

Are you telling me that you are better equipped to judge how a football coach will perform on a role, and specifically have a better knowledge and understanding of Matt Patricia’s abilities, knowledge, strengths and weaknesses than Bill Belichick does?
Simple question, please answer.

Seriously, does any rational person think Belichick would hand over play calling duties to someone who didn't have intimate knowledge how the offense works and at least was capable of calling plays. I mean Belichick didn't become stupid overnight.

We can never know how good Patricia is at calling offensive plays until he makes the calls, but I have zero doubt that he knows the offense and capable of calling plays.

 

[Rob0729]

To be fair, would you call it a coincidence that they’re standardizing and altering the playbook as soon as McDaniels leaves? Who are they doing it for would be a legitimate question

They are completely changing the defense too. Is that because McDaniels left? Are the Patriots going with smaller, faster LBs because Patricia cannot grasp the offensive play calling?

The Patriots have determined the systems they have been running are no longer the most effective for today's NFL. That is why they are changing things up. There is zero evidence they are doing it because the offense is too complicated for Patricia.

 

[Ring 6]

You'll find that "rankings" are a common theme on this board without any context. Blindly pointing to rankings is the worst, flawed and most lazy argument you'll find.

Sure why would anyone use performance results in evaluation. Emotion is a much better method.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Sure why would anyone use performance results in evaluation. Emotion is a much better method.

With your logic, the Tennessee Titans were the best team in the AFC last year.

 

[Ring 6]

With your logic, the Tennessee Titans were the best team in the AFC last year.

In the regular season they were. That’s indisputable.

 

[All3Phases]

They are completely changing the defense too. Is that because McDaniels left? Are the Patriots going with smaller, faster LBs because Patricia cannot grasp the offensive play calling?

The Patriots have determined the systems they have been running are no longer the most effective for today's NFL. That is why they are changing things up. There is zero evidence they are doing it because the offense is too complicated for Patricia.

The roster on defense changed massively. They also went zone heavy in the middle of the year last year due to roster deficiencies. Bill basically said they “streamlined” everything in about 2019, any coincidence there as well?
Why would you go into your qbs rookie year with a highly developed offense, with a bunch of new pieces and then decide in year 2 to standardize it? Nothing to do with Mcdaniels leaving and having a coach with no experience? I think that’s a little naive. Especially after it was overall successful and played to your quarterbacks strength

Also, there is evidence that at least the offense is not mastered by the coaching staff. Mac is on record saying they’re teaching each other the offense.

 

[venecol]

Seriously, does any rational person think Belichick would hand over play calling duties to someone who didn't have intimate knowledge how the offense works and at least was capable of calling plays. I mean Belichick didn't become stupid overnight.

We can never know how good Patricia is at calling offensive plays until he makes the calls, but I have zero doubt that he knows the offense and capable of calling plays.

 

[neuronet]

chicken littles need to chill

 

[Toofy]

To be honest I think we might have something good with Patricia . He had his issues , but I don't think it's inconceivable that he cant overcome it. Both Patricia and Judge have a lot to prove . So they could end up working harder and innovatively . And Patricia is a rocket scientist . You don't suddenly become dumb.

Kliff Kingsbury flopped as a QB but turned out to be a decent coach. So why can't that happen with Patricia.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I think this is more about the receivers and perhaps the new "OC." Perhaps this is a reason why Harry hasn't been cut yet. BB wants to see how he'll do with the new terminology.

Run the wrong route and then jump 3 seconds too early? Harry does not have it for whatever reason. I do not want to bash him but his agent demanding a trade publicly and then still can not line up properly is hard to watch.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Kliff Kingsbury flopped as a QB but turned out to be a decent coach. So why can't that happen with Patricia.

Because Patricia was not a QB? Is this a trick question? When the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

 

[Toofy]

Because Patricia was not a QB? Is this a trick question? When the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

No I get that . But the fact that Patricia has been scheming against QB plays and has seen offense come up with alternate plays , reverse gameplans should also work . Blue ocean strategy here . Let's give it a chance.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

No I get that . But the fact that Patricia has been scheming against QB plays and has seen offense come up with alternate plays , reverse gameplans should also work . Blue ocean strategy here . Let's give it a chance.

Patricia will be OK I think. Go Engineers!!!

 

[203Pat]

To say Patricia doesn't know much about the offense is bogus. The guy has been in the Patriots system other than the three years he was the Lions' head coach since 2003. He started on offensive side in his career with the Pats and was an offensive assistant at Syracuse. The guy has been here for nearly 20 years and knows little about the Patriots' offense? Do you really think Belichick would hand over the offensive play calling if he didn't know the offense. Arguably the greatest coach of all time going to hand over the offense to someone and just tell him to wing it?

It is obvious that Belichick has confidence in Patricia that he has intimate knowledge with the offense or he wouldn't be handing over the reigns of the offense to him.

I know Belichiick haters want to portray the guy as a mediocre head coach who just got lucky to have Brady and even a head coach like **** MacPherson would have had six rings if he had a QB like Brady. But that is just BS. Belichick knows what he is doing even if you or don't agree with it. Patricia may not end up being a good signal caller, but there is zero doubt he knows the offense intimately or he wouldn't even be given a chance.

And Belichick has plenty of job security. He would need several years of a losing record to be fired. And Belichick has a long history of doing things that other head coaches are afraid to do and being an innovator because of it.

You can get defensive of Bill all you want. If you think this situation is anything other than bad I don't know what to tell you. I am sure at some point in any coaches career they have spent time on either side of the ball but that doesn't make this ideal. Knowing the offense because you have been around the team and knowing the flow of the game and situational play calling are two different things. If Brady, or even some other veteran that had been here a few years, was the QB I wouldn't be as concerned but how many times have we seen young QBs eventually flame out and her about how they had X amount of offensive coordinators/head coaches in their first few years? I know either way with Josh gone Mac was going to have a new OC but giving him a guy who never called plays before in his second year doesn't seem like it is setting Mac up for success.

 

[crawhammer]

I think this is more about the receivers and perhaps the new "OC." Perhaps this is a reason why Harry hasn't been cut yet. BB wants to see how he'll do with the new terminology.

They're changing the terminology to improve Harry's chances for success? LOL!!!

Seriously, does any rational person think Belichick would hand over play calling duties to someone who didn't have intimate knowledge how the offense works and at least was capable of calling plays.

That's exactly what Belichick is doing... handing over play calling duties to someone who was an "assistant offensive line" coach for 1 season in 2005. He's been coaching on the defensive side of the ball or been the worst head coach in the NFL since then. And the last we saw of him in a prominent coaching position for New England his defense was getting torched by a backup quarterback in the Super Bowl. Belichick handing over offensive play calling duties to Patricia is not rational.

The Patriots have determined the systems they have been running are no longer the most effective for today's NFL. That is why they are changing things up. There is zero evidence they are doing it because the offense is too complicated for Patricia.

When did they determine that?... in 2020 with Cam?... last season with a rookie? For two decades previous, when there was a representative supporting cast for the quarterback, the offense was among the very best in the NFL. Two seasons later that "system" is no longer viable?

They are completely changing the defense too. Is that because McDaniels left? Are the Patriots going with smaller, faster LBs because Patricia cannot grasp the offensive play calling?

You mean like Ja'Whaun Bentley?... big and slow.

 

[Rob0729]

The roster on defense changed massively. They also went zone heavy in the middle of the year last year due to roster deficiencies. Bill basically said they “streamlined” everything in about 2019, any coincidence there as well?
Why would you go into your qbs rookie year with a highly developed offense, with a bunch of new pieces and then decide in year 2 to standardize it? Nothing to do with Mcdaniels leaving and having a coach with no experience? I think that’s a little naive. Especially after it was overall successful and played to your quarterbacks strength

Also, there is evidence that at least the offense is not mastered by the coaching staff. Mac is on record saying they’re teaching each other the offense.

The roster changed drastically because the Patriots chose to get younger and faster on defense. It wasn't because they were forced to change. They chose to change.

And despite Mac Jones' great start to his career, the passing game still wasn't anything people feared. The Patriots spent a lot of money on Jonnu Smith and he became basically a blocker because he couldn't grasp the offense.

Just yesterday, Belichick said they did the same thing with the defense several years ago by changing the terminology and some of the plays. He said this is the same thing for the offense this year.

As Kendrick Bourne said is the terminology has changed but the plays really haven't. People are making too much of this and trying to manufacture reasons for the change.

Despite what some people on this board think, Belichick is not an idiot. He is not going to hand over the keys to the offense to someone who doesn't understand it and tell him to learn how to run an offense on the job. Patricia is far more qualified to call the offensive plays than these people give him credit for. Doesn't mean he won't fail or that they could have gotten someone more qualified to do it.

 

[All3Phases]

The roster changed drastically because the Patriots chose to get younger and faster on defense. It wasn't because they were forced to change. They chose to change.

And despite Mac Jones' great start to his career, the passing game still wasn't anything people feared. The Patriots spent a lot of money on Jonnu Smith and he became basically a blocker because he couldn't grasp the offense.

Just yesterday, Belichick said they did the same thing with the defense several years ago by changing the terminology and some of the plays. He said this is the same thing for the offense this year.

As Kendrick Bourne said is the terminology has changed but the plays really haven't. People are making too much of this and trying to manufacture reasons for the change.

Despite what some people on this board think, Belichick is not an idiot. He is not going to hand over the keys to the offense to someone who doesn't understand it and tell him to learn how to run an offense on the job. Patricia is far more qualified to call the offensive plays than these people give him credit for. Doesn't mean he won't fail or that they could have gotten someone more qualified to do it.

I mean the secondary changed drastically because they decided to not pay their best CB, which is their right. They look to be a zone heavy team now, which is different. The smaller/quicker LBs is something they've integrated for years, they've played Chung and Dugger in the box often. Like you said BB said they "streamlined" the defense a couple years ago, theres a reason why the follow up question was asking if it was 2019, because thats when Flores left and their defensive coaching staff was thrown together. Kind of the same as it was now on Offense, which kind of fits my argument. Im not saying its the sole reason for standardizing the playbook, but I think that the coaching experience not playing a factor into the reasoning is naive

Also, I am not saying whatever theyre doing to the playbook is a bad thing. I was all for simplifying it while Brady was here as well, I think it played a reason as to why a lot of younger players never developed. Specific Guys worked here, which was great

 

[Rob0729]

You can get defensive of Bill all you want. If you think this situation is anything other than bad I don't know what to tell you. I am sure at some point in any coaches career they have spent time on either side of the ball but that doesn't make this ideal. Knowing the offense because you have been around the team and knowing the flow of the game and situational play calling are two different things. If Brady, or even some other veteran that had been here a few years, was the QB I wouldn't be as concerned but how many times have we seen young QBs eventually flame out and her about how they had X amount of offensive coordinators/head coaches in their first few years? I know either way with Josh gone Mac was going to have a new OC but giving him a guy who never called plays before in his second year doesn't seem like it is setting Mac up for success.

I am not being defensive. I just don't have your blind hatred of Belichick and looking at this rationally.

Again, you don't see me praising this decision or not saying that Belichick could have gotten someone better for the job. I am just saying Belichick isn't an idiot and he knows Patricia is well versed on the offense and capable of being a signal caller. Whether he is good signal caller is yet to be seen. But I have no doubt that after nearly 20 years here including two years on the offensive side of the ball, he knows what it takes to run the offense. Again, doesn't mean he will be good at it.

I am not going to kill Belichick or Patricia before a single scrimmage, pre-season game, or regular season snap. You have already labeled this move a bust. Who knows? Patricia could end up being a better offensive coordinator than he was a defensive coordinator.

You do realize that Patricia has as many years as an offensive assistant as McDaniels did when McDaniels first took over the play calling role. Sure McDaniels was a QB coach, but he spent his first four years on the defensive side of the ball.

 

[Rob0729]

I mean the secondary changed drastically because they decided to not pay their best CB, which is their right. They look to be a zone heavy team now, which is different. The smaller/quicker LBs is something they've integrated for years, they've played Chung and Dugger in the box often. Like you said BB said they "streamlined" the defense a couple years ago, theres a reason why the follow up question was asking if it was 2019, because thats when Flores left and their defensive coaching staff was thrown together. Kind of the same as it was now on Offense, which kind of fits my argument. Im not saying its the sole reason for standardizing the playbook, but I think that the coaching experience not playing a factor into the reasoning is naive

Also, I am not saying whatever theyre doing to the playbook is a bad thing. I was all for simplifying it while Brady was here as well, I think it played a reason as to why a lot of younger players never developed. Specific Guys worked here, which was great

They are making the LBs smaller and faster now which is a complete different philosophy than what Belichick had for over 20 years here and decades before that. One of the biggest mainstays of the Belichick defense has always been big, strong LBs with gap control. Now he is moving to a smaller, faster LB corp which may be less likely to be doing as much two gapping. The change to zone last year was out of necessity. The move to younger, smaller, faster LBs is a philosophy change.

And do we know they are actually simplifying the playbook or just allowing the new coaching staff to put their stamp on the offense? I haven't heard from anyone that the new play calling scheme is any more or less complicated than the old one or that they were paring down the playbook.