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My (Not Everyone's) Dream Scenario (assuming no trade downs):

12 Guys I'm almost 100% will be gone (Unless another GasMask incident arises))
A. Hutchinson
E. Neal
A. Gardner
K. Hamilton
I. Ekwonu
G. Wilson
K. Thibodeaux
D. Stingley
T. Walker
C. Cross
D. London
J. Johnson

6 Guys I hope are gone before we pick for one reason or another
T. Linderbaum
M. Willis
K. Pickett
J. Williams (Would like a more well rounded receiver)
D. Hill (Solid at slot and S)
D. Lloyd (Like N. Dean better)


4 Guys I would run my Grandmother over to get up to the podium
J. Davis
T. Penning
T. McDuffie
T. Burks (A.J. Brown comp...yes please)

5 Guys I'm Good to Go with if the above does not happen perfectly
C. Olave
G. Karlaftis
D. Wyatt
N. Dean
A. Booth

Whoops…left Jermaine Johnson off the list I’m confident will be gone
 
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I hear you
BUT : )


2. Jennings-Bentley-McGrone are signed through 2023(24) and could turn into a nice complementary group. Nothing spectacular maybe but good enough for the moment.
More likely is that this group would be among the worst corps of ILB's or those teams competing for the playoffs
 
All those positions are needs too, but that doesn't make LB less of a need. To me, this just makes it an easy decision to go best player available (except for QB, RB, TE) throughout the draft.
I think a RB is likely in the 4th or 5th. We will lose at least one of White and Harris after this season.
 
Yes. lets waste a draft pick when we already have an All-Pro punter.W
Our punter is essentially a free agent. There is no way we are paying him $4.1M.

I think that we would run to the podium in the 4th to draft the top punter.
 
I think the best outcome is to extend Bailey at a number that’s fair to both he and the team.
When we say that, the contract offered is often not good enough for the player.
 
A Free Safety to a potential CB conversion in the First?? I don't know.

Look at Hill's Combine Stats - he is bigger, much quicker (3cone as quick as Edelman), and as fast (4.3 40) as the top CBs, and he played CB on the outside and inside at MI. Hill can slide back to FS when DMac leaves and we can draft another CB. Don't forget that DMac was an AllPro outside CB in his 1st season, and Dax Hill is more athletic than DMac.
 
I believe that Dax Hill will be the starting Outside CB for the Pats in 2022.
The corner we need has to be able to play bump and run and cover outside receivers. There’s no guarantee someone can do that without actually doing it.

Shaun Wade is an example of someone who really struggled in bump and run after being a very effective slot/zone corner.
 
The corner we need has to be able to play bump and run and cover outside receivers. There’s no guarantee someone can do that without actually doing it.

Shaun Wade is an example of someone who really struggled in bump and run after being a very effective slot/zone corner.

Dax Hill has tape. Go watch it. :)
 
Whose this Doubs fellow that the Pats met with 3 times? He's a 4th or 5th Rd WR projected so not really a big deal, but apparently a deep threat
 


Weird. I was assured by some here that BB is a terrible GM/drafter, because he has missed on a few first round picks.
 
Inaccurate, Willis takes some awful sacks too. Tough year to need a QB. Next year we'll have a much better class and a few legit top tier guys worth a lottery pick.
 
So I've mocked this thing on the simulator numerous times, a few times I've traded back, a couple I didn't. I get that these simulators are not accurate in relation to people's binkies or to real life, but it is what it is. I ended up taking a lot of the same players, sue me...

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PICKS THAT MAKE SENSE - OL THOUGHTS

A lot is discussed about “need“ and BPA and “value“ picks. Positional value. Personal binkies as well of course.
What about some perspective on what makes sense in regard to the existing roster? Id guess its at least part of the puzzle maybe significant.

Lets look at OL that i took the time to watch extensively (some 80 players +).

OL is a need. I guess nobody disputes that.

It was also one of the 4 positions reportedly scouted (meets, visits, workouts) heavily at the top (along w WR, LB, CB) which usually provides some indicator. At least 5 players projected to go Day 1&2 met, visited or worked out with NE (Penning, Raimann, Smith, Paul, Green).
We can safely add Zion Johnson as clear target with no need of visit being a “clean“ prospect from the area. Some others as well.

All have either tape or traits to play both guard and tackle, some of them all 5.

Looking at the roster there is an opening for a starter with no clear guy who could step up. Also not much left in FA.
On the other hand there is quite a lot of depth in terms of solid backups, PS/scout team players.
So the pick that would make most sense at this position (guard/tackle) is a possible/probable starter year 1.
That of course is a high ask with Pats draft capital.

I have maybe 5 players that one can have legit hope to start year 1 at either G or T & possibly be available at 21 and gone by 85.
That would mean one of the first two picks (even with possible trade down) would be needed to address this.

Many people are mocking Rd 3-5 guys forgetting that Pats roster is already full of similar prospects that have a hard time stepping up as starters. So drafting a prospect like f.e. Tom makes no sense to me this yr with guys like Herron, Cajuste, Hambright etc already on.

Id argue Pats should go for the best or at least reasonable chance to get legit G/T starter in this Draft.
The aforementioned “visit tracker“ suggests thats what they likely have in mind. (note that the only other OL reported contact is possible bup center Jurgens - a day 3 guy - which is also a “need“).


So
Penning might be gone by 21 and there are some question marks besides legit upsides so trading up might be too steep here. But if he falls..
Raimann is a Day 2 guy often mocked to Pats in round one. The “value“ would not be there but he does fit and despite being new to the position he could actually step up to a decent starter in Sep. By all indications he would be long gone before pick #54.
Zion - much was said already. I may be a bit lower on him but would not mind terribly if he is the 1st round pick. Of course value would not be there at #21 and getting him after trade down would be nicer but might not be the reality.
Green - one of my favourite guys for NE in this Draft. Would love the pick even at #21 despite “value“ not quite there (like most of this Draft). Have no doubt he could be impactful at LG Day 1.
Parham - not much talked about here but should be legit target for NE. For me basically in the same tier as the two before but more of IOL mold although he has also some decent tape at RT. He might be available a bit later but might also require a trade up in the second. And that would still be a very good value in this Draft.


There are a few guys who could maybe develop quickly enough to offer starting at least at G - but i would not bet on it:
Hayes - yep, there's a chance . not too far from above 3
Strange - not too far away either - all 5 positions - needs to bulk & anchor up for legit G
Salyer - prime backup at all 5 positions but is he a good enough starter?
Tulsa Twins - Smith & Paul - both reported contacts w NE. Quite raw with decent upside but probably not ready to start by Sep
Faalele - even more work to do . but stranger things have happened - but at least the huge upside might be worth the risk
(Tom - Herron with upside but also limitations)
 
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The corner we need has to be able to play bump and run and cover outside receivers. There’s no guarantee someone can do that without actually doing it.

Shaun Wade is an example of someone who really struggled in bump and run after being a very effective slot/zone corner.

Bb is going to play more zone next year.
 
PICKS THAT MAKE SENSE - OL THOUGHTS

A lot is discussed about “need“ and BPA and “value“ picks. Positional value. Personal binkies as well of course.
What about some perspective on what makes sense in regard to the existing roster? Id guess its at least part of the puzzle maybe significant.

Lets look at OL that i took the time to watch extensively (some 80 players +).

OL is a need. I guess nobody disputes that.

It was also one of the 4 positions reportedly scouted (meets, visits, workouts) heavily at the top (along w WR, LB, CB) which usually provides some indicator. At least 5 players projected to go Day 1&2 met, visited or worked out with NE (Penning, Raimann, Smith, Paul, Green).
We can safely add Zion Johnson as clear target with no need of visit being a “clean“ prospect from the area. Some others as well.

All have either tape or traits to play both guard and tackle, some of them all 5.

Looking at the roster there is an opening for a starter with no clear guy who could step up. Also not much left in FA.
On the other hand there is quite a lot of depth in terms of solid backups, PS/scout team players.
So the pick that would make most sense at this position (guard/tackle) is a possible/probable starter year 1.
That of course is a high ask with Pats draft capital.

I have maybe 5 players that one can have legit hope to start year 1 at either G or T & possibly be available at 21 and gone by 85.
That would mean one of the first two picks (even with possible trade down) would be needed to address this.

Many people are mocking Rd 3-5 guys forgetting that Pats roster is already full of similar prospects that have a hard time stepping up as starters. So drafting a prospect like f.e. Tom makes no sense to me this yr with guys like Herron, Cajuste, Hambright etc already on.

Id argue Pats should go for the best or at least reasonable chance to get legit G/T starter in this Draft.
The aforementioned “visit tracker“ suggests thats what they likely have in mind. (note that the only other OL reported contact is possible bup center Jurgens - a day 3 guy - which is also a “need“).


So
Penning might be gone by 21 and there are some question marks besides legit upsides so trading up might be too steep here. But if he falls..
Raimann is a Day 2 guy often mocked to Pats in round one. The “value“ would not be there but he does fit and despite being new to the position he could actually step up to a decent starter in Sep. By all indications he would be long gone before pick #54.
Zion - much was said already. I may be a bit lower on him but would not mind terribly if he is the 1st round pick. Of course value would not be there at #21 and getting him after trade down would be nicer but might not be the reality.
Green - on of my favourite Pats guys in this Draft. Would love the pick even at #21 despite “value“ not quite there (like most of this Draft). Have no doubt he could be impactful at LG Day 1.
Parham - not much talked about here but should be legit target for NE. For me basically in the same tier as the two before but more of IOL mold although he has also some decent tape at RT. He might be available a bit later but might also require a trade up in the second. And that would still be a very good value in this Draft.


There are a few guys who could maybe develop quickly enough to offer starting at least at G - but i would not bet on it:
Hayes - yep, there's a chance . not too far from above 3
Strange - not too far away either - all 5 positions - needs to bulk & anchor up for legit G
Salyer - prime backup at all 5 positions but is he a good enough starter?
Tulsa Twins - Smith & Paul - both reported contacts w NE. Quite raw with decent upside but probably not ready to start by Sep
Faalele - even more work to do . but stranger things have happened - but at least the huge upside might be worth the risk
(Tom - Herron with upside but also limitations)

If the guard is to start immediately I worry about Green with 20 bench press reps. Too few to play in the NFL 1st year I believe - he needs to bulk up. Parham is better at 25 reps, not bad for a guard. Z Johnson at 32 reps is a beast and that is why he stands out clearly above the others, raw strength, and 2022 Reese’s Senior Bowl Practice Player of the Week. I get the impression that you think Zion, Green, and Parham are in the same tier, I disagree, Zion is a beast and clearly a step above the others.
 


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