2022 PTP Draft Board / Pats Draft Talk

[50-yard-line]

How about the trade up last year to grab Barmore? I think that one turned out pretty good, don't you?

Still think BB might trade up in the 1st and/or 2nd this year. The price of a trade up this year will be minimal, as will the reward of a trade down. Too few QBs and unicorns, too little consensus on anyone.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Williams hasn't been an "utter catastrophe". FFS. Give it a rest already. N

I suggest you go back and watch tape of slowjuan’s defensive snaps and then factor in he was a second round pick and not an UDFA.

Slowjuan makes the Richards pick seem like a home run!

 

[DaBruinz]

For 4 million?

I’d certainly prefer a renegotiation/extension with Bailey. But I don’t consider ANY contributing player a “waste” after round 3.

Bailey, the guy you’re now talking up, was taken at 163. I have Ariaza (if they can’t work things out with Bailey) at 150, so please, enough with the “ugh”s and the silly snark, okay?

Sure. As soon as you're done with the silly posts about replacing an ALL-PRO punter who also doubles as our kick-off man. The fact you want to replace Bailey after just 3 seasons is wholly ridiculous.

Do you even understand why Bailey's cap hit is what it is now? It's because of the Proven Performance escalators in the CBA.

Jake Bailey's proven performance escalator makes him NFL's highest-paid punter

Patriots punter Jake Bailey is one of the biggest beneficiaries of the proven performance escalators that were included in the league's Collective Bargaining Agreement.

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You tout Ariaza's Punting Average and mention that it's the reason that SDSU's Points Against was low. But you also mention their crappy offense. You ever stop to think that Ariaza's average is so high BECAUSE of SDSU's crappy offense. It's all great to tout him having a 55 yard punting average. But that means his offense wasn't even getting to their 40 yard line most of the time. HUGE difference to Bailey who's team was regularly getting into opposing territory .

 

[SHOWTIME15]

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

It is both baffling and amusing the level of this boards DT hype this offseason and esp Draft.

I agree, there is if you look at draft projected round and value no DT I would select besides Travis Jones in the second or one of the later round guys because those picks are gambling mostly anyway. No Davis or Wyatt in the first for me

 

[ashley]

Still think BB might trade up in the 1st and/or 2nd this year. The price of a trade up this year will be minimal, as will the reward of a trade down. Too few QBs and unicorns, too little consensus on anyone.

I don't know, I think the only way they trade up is if Jordan Davis is there and possibly Jameson Williams.....(Can't believe I'm saying they'll possibly trade up for a wr).

I think it's more likely that they will trade down and get more picks. I still think it's possibly that they stay at 21 and make the selection, but I think there are only a few players that they think will give them value there. Just my opinion though.

 

[long distance]

I don't know, I think the only way they trade up is if Jordan Davis is there and possibly Jameson Williams.....(Can't believe I'm saying they'll possibly trade up for a wr).

I think it's more likely that they will trade down and get more picks. I still think it's possibly that they stay at 21 and make the selection, but I think there are only a few players that they think will give them value there. Just my opinion though.

Gonna be hard finding value in this Draft and that includes trading down (demand for trading down seems to be much higher than trading up).
In that case even trading up could have some value. Trading up in the 1st for NT that will play south of 50% of snaps is not one of those : )

Ask Panthers how drafting Derrick Brown 7th overall helped (let alone transformed) their franchise (and they use him 70%).

Looks like some of the best value already happened - trading picks for blue chip vets/QBs.

 

[borisman]

Sure. As soon as you're done with the silly posts about replacing an ALL-PRO punter who also doubles as our kick-off man. The fact you want to replace Bailey after just 3 seasons is wholly ridiculous.

Do you even understand why Bailey's cap hit is what it is now? It's because of the Proven Performance escalators in the CBA.

Jake Bailey's proven performance escalator makes him NFL's highest-paid punter

Patriots punter Jake Bailey is one of the biggest beneficiaries of the proven performance escalators that were included in the league's Collective Bargaining Agreement.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

You tout Ariaza's Punting Average and mention that it's the reason that SDSU's Points Against was low. But you also mention their crappy offense. You ever stop to think that Ariaza's average is so high BECAUSE of SDSU's crappy offense. It's all great to tout him having a 55 yard punting average. But that means his offense wasn't even getting to their 40 yard line most of the time. HUGE difference to Bailey who's team was regularly getting into opposing territory .

Umm, the second part of your post is something I mentioned, not 50. I was trying to point out that when SDST wasn’t moving the ball that Araiza regularly flipped the field and helped the defense keep them in every game because the other team had a ways to go. It’s not his fault he had a ton of field to work with. Not many punters can boot it 55-60 yards every time, even if it was in “the desert”air. I’m also not advocating for him to be picked by the Pats. He’s going to be a weapon and if BB can’t come to terms with Bailey (highly doubtful as BB loves him) then another option is available. He can also kickoff as well and be a backup FG kicker. Just saying is all.

 

[50-yard-line]

Sure. As soon as you're done with the silly posts about replacing an ALL-PRO punter who also doubles as our kick-off man. The fact you want to replace Bailey after just 3 seasons is wholly ridiculous.

Do you even understand why Bailey's cap hit is what it is now? It's because of the Proven Performance escalators in the CBA.

Jake Bailey's proven performance escalator makes him NFL's highest-paid punter

Patriots punter Jake Bailey is one of the biggest beneficiaries of the proven performance escalators that were included in the league's Collective Bargaining Agreement.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

You tout Ariaza's Punting Average and mention that it's the reason that SDSU's Points Against was low. But you also mention their crappy offense. You ever stop to think that Ariaza's average is so high BECAUSE of SDSU's crappy offense. It's all great to tout him having a 55 yard punting average. But that means his offense wasn't even getting to their 40 yard line most of the time. HUGE difference to Bailey who's team was regularly getting into opposing territory .

I didn’t mention his average at all or his team’s crappy offense - I even noted that his hang time wasn’t good enough.

Jfc, you’re so ready to lash out, you don’t even know who you’re arguing with.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Maybe Billy should've "wasted" a little time building consensus on some of those trades... Especially the trade-UP for SloJuan Willies and the utter catastrophe of 2020.

I suggest you go back and watch tape of slowjuan’s defensive snaps and then factor in he was a second round pick and not an UDFA.

Slowjuan makes the Richards pick seem like a home run!

Slowjuan was top 3 most unnecessary/idiotic drafts pick of the BB era. They had Gilmore, J McCourty, Jonathon Jones, and a promising JC Jackson. Why in the world are you taking a damn CB with a 2nd round pick when you are on life support at WR/TE? And as it turns out, he absolutely sucks.

2019-2020 was so bad, we all know it prompted Kraft to announce to the media that things were changing. That's embarrassing for a HC to hear the Owner go Jerry Jones on you. However, it was the kick in the a** Bill needed, as this prior draft has very nice returns. I expect the same thing this year. I'm confident we're going to see at least 2-3 guys that are ready to play now.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

I think the best outcome is to extend Bailey at a number that’s fair to both he and the team.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Slowjuan was top 3 most unnecessary/idiotic drafts pick of the BB era. They had Gilmore, J McCourty, Jonathon Jones, and a promising JC Jackson. Why in the world are you taking a damn CB with a 2nd round pick when you are on life support at WR/TE? And as it turns out, he absolutely sucks.

2019-2020 was so bad, we all know it prompted Kraft to announce to the media that things were changing. That's embarrassing for a HC to hear the Owner go Jerry Jones on you. However, it was the kick in the a** Bill needed, as this prior draft has very nice returns. I expect the same thing this year. I'm confident we're going to see at least 2-3 guys that are ready to play now.

Who are the top 5 worst picks of the bb era?

1.) Easley
2.) harry
3.) slowjuan
4.) richards
5.) Dawson

Talk about the anti murderers row!

 

[PatsFan2]

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Less than a week to go & I'm still torn how many players realistically I would take in rd 1 before trading out of it all together. Players like Jameson Williams would be on it but anyone considered a top 15 pick I left out.

Some thoughts before draft day:

• Olave was close. I don't think I can use the 21st pick on him because I'm not sold on his upside to be a WR1. He won't be available in the late 20s.
• I defer to the board on most prospects but I don't think I can draft an OT at pick 21. It's hard to sacrifice a late 1st & 3rd (two players that can contribute early) for a swing tackle.
• Jordan Davis is the most clear cut pats consensus #1 pick on this board in awhile. A dominant run stuffer that's one of the most athletic prospects ever with a quick get off the line. He has 3 down upside & would change how this defense can utilize their front seven personnel.
• McDuffie is an elite cover corner without the prototypical size most teams covet at the position. That's obviously not been a factor here. Hill can play CB year 1 & replace McCourty down the road.
• I think in some ways Travis Jones is safer in offering 3 down potential than Davis. He's also a freak & would probably go higher if he played at a different school.
• Pickens is redundant to Parker but he's a binky of mine. Gets separation, physical vs. press & is a downfield threat. I think he has the potential to be as good as any WR in this draft & would consider him towards the end of day 1.

Should be a good one. There's some good targets on early day 2 like Booth, Dotson, etc. so I'll be surprised if the team stays put on draft day.

Wow spot on and I thought I was the only one who really really like George Pickens. I would hate to see him end up in KC or Green Bay a couple of WR needy Teams after all that happened.

 

[PatsFan2]

Who are the top 5 worst picks of the bb era?

1.) Easley
2.) harry
3.) slowjuan
4.) richards
5.) Dawson

Talk about the anti murderers row

Cyrus the virus Jones was another one.

 

[Mike the Brit]

Who are the top 5 worst picks of the bb era?

1.) Easley
2.) harry
3.) slowjuan
4.) richards
5.) Dawson

Talk about the anti murderers row!

No love (hate) for Chad Jackson?

I'd make an allowance for picks of players who turn out to have debilitating injuries (Easley, Ras-I Dowling). OK, it's as much a part of drafting to make good medical judgements as it is to judge athleticism and football intelligence, but it's not easy (if I owned a franchise, I'd be pouring money into medicine, orthopedics and training, hoping to get an edge). These guys have been playing a brutal game at a very high level for 6 years or maybe more before they get drafted. They've all been injured and in some (a lot) so severely that they aren't going to have much more of a career. On the other hand, if you didn't take a chance on players with an injury record you wouldn't have drafted Gronk.

So the really bad picks I'd single out are ones of players who were intrinsically limited and who would have been available much later: Jordan Richards, Tavon Wilson, maybe also Ron Brace and Jermaine Cunningham.

 

[PatsFan2]

Pickens has a rep of being a diva and an a-hole

Recipe for success for WR in this league. No more choir boys like Harry please.

 

[holyredeemer]

Recipe for success for WR in this league. No more choir boys like Harry please.

Hell yeah man! Imagine how much of a burner he would become if he was an *******. We need to hire him a **** talk instructor so he can get better better separation at the top of his cuts. If we want him to become the best though, got a find a way for him to beat up a few women. I know, it’s yucky. But it must be done if we want him to truly unlock his potential.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Recipe for success for WR in this league. No more choir boys like Harry please.

Kupp and MEvans are the ultimate me-first divas in the league. MEvans with his 3 straight Walter Payton Man of the Year nominees is really just a front.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Who are the top 5 worst picks of the bb era?

1.) Easley
2.) harry
3.) slowjuan
4.) richards
5.) Dawson

Talk about the anti murderers row!

This list are picks that were unnecessary, bad medical history, didn't make the team better when drafted or just plain idiotic. This list is different than just a pick turning out bad:

10. Marquise Hill (RIP) - They had Seymour, Warren and Jarvis Green. Why use a 2nd round pick on another DE?
9. Terrance Wheatley - Wasting a 2nd round pick on a guy with no wrists that you actually need to I don't know...press a guy, tackle a guy and knock down a pass.
8. Jermaine Cunningham - The logic was they took him over Dunlap because he would fit better in a 3-4. They switched to a 4-3 a year later.
7. Duke Dawson - Another DB when they had other pressing needs.
6. Kevin O'Connell - You could argue this as #1. You have a limited number of picks that year in the peak of your Super Bowl window, yet waste a 3rd round pick on a QB when your current QB just led his team to an 18-1 season breaking the TD's thrown in a single season. Pretty idiotic.
5. Jimmy Garoppolo -You're in a 10 year drought with the GOAT at QB with many team needs. Why would this be a good idea? Was this 2nd round pick worth 1 and 1/2 games? This is what GB is going through with Jordan Love.
4. Jordan Richards - You had McCourty, Chung and Harmon, yet take a guy who was completely unathletic as your 4th safety in the 2nd round? What were your plans with this guy? Enough said.
3. Dominique Easley - Throwing a 1st rounder down the gutter for a guy with no knees.
2. Ras IR Dowling - They had all night to think about who they were going to take with the first pick in the 2nd round and they waste it on a guy who's had injury history since high school. Just an idiotic pick. A blind man would've taken Jabaal Sheard with that pick as they were in dire need of a pass rusher. Fun fact, Richard Sherman recently said the Pats told him they were thinking about taking him with that pick. Ouch.
1. Slowjuan "Daddy Long Legs" Williams - As I stated above, their secondary was among the best in the league, but had aging WR's in dire need of youth. The GOAT QB on the final year of his deal. The Super Bowl window was closing. It was regarded as the best WR class in years and had their choice of AJ Brown and DK Metcalf. They took a DB who wouldn't see the field. He and Harry were the two picks that put the nail in the coffin on the great 20 year dynasty.

 

[kennyb]

This list are picks that were unnecessary, bad medical history, didn't make the team better when drafted or just plain idiotic. This list is different than just a pick turning out bad:

10. Marquise Hill (RIP) - They had Seymour, Warren and Jarvis Green. Why use a 2nd round pick on another DE?
9. Terrance Wheatley - Wasting a 2nd round pick on a guy with no wrists that you actually need to I don't know...press a guy, tackle a guy and knock down a pass.
8. Jermaine Cunningham - The logic was they took him over Dunlap because he would fit better in a 3-4. They switched to a 4-3 a year later.
7. Duke Dawson - Another DB when they had other pressing needs.
6. Kevin O'Connell - You could argue this as #1. You have a limited number of picks that year in the peak of your Super Bowl window, yet waste a 3rd round pick on a QB when your current QB just led his team to an 18-1 season breaking the TD's thrown in a single season. Pretty idiotic.
5. Jimmy Garoppolo -You're in a 10 year drought with the GOAT at QB with many team needs. Why would this be a good idea? Was this 2nd round pick worth 1 and 1/2 games?
4. Jordan Richards - You had McCourty and Chung, yet take a guy who was completely unathletic. enough said.
3. Dominique Easley - Throwing a 1st rounder down the gutter for a guy with no knees.
2. Ras IR Dowling - They had all night to think about who they were going to take with the first pick in the 2nd round and they waste it on a guy who's had injury history since high school. Just an idiotic pick. A blind man would've taken Jabaal Sheard with that pick as they were in dire need of a pass rusher. Fun fact, Richard Sherman recently said the Pats told him they were thinking about taking him with that pick. Ouch.
1. Slowjuan "Daddy Long Legs" Williams - As I stated above, their secondary was among the best in the league, but had aging WR's in dire need of youth. The GOAT QB on the final year of his deal. The Super Bowl window was closing. It was regarded as a very strong WR class and had their choice of AJ Brown and DK Metcalf. They took a DB who wouldn't see the field.

Brilliant post. One of the best i've read on here.

Belichick seems to have a Shakespearean flaw where he tries to show everyone else how smart he is. He could have taken Richards as an udfa, for example. He knew that. Where would the panache be in that though? He wants to show everyone how indifferent he is to their opinions.

So he drafts him in the 2nd round in effect saying "yeah, i know you think he's a marginal player. Don't care." He understands game theory. If you think he's that great draft him in the 7th and get a good player in the 2nd in addition. He's looking for style points instead.

It's Shakespearean because his arrogance and drafting ineptitude not only ran brady out of town (imagine if his last year here he had deebo insyead of harry?), but will ensure he doesn't sniff a superbowl again. Probably won't break shula's record either. 38 games or whatever is a lot at 6 to 7 wins per season.