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As always you have nothing.birth control so i dont get your momma prego
You are up to about 30 posts and still
at zero legitimate examples.
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go google it. you like to do that and then pretend you know everythingAs always you have nothing.
You are up to about 30 posts and still
at zero legitimate examples.
Sorry bud, I’m the one who has been right about every point because I understand it. Perhaps you should google or buy a book about income tax rules so you can stop being wrong and repeating the same ignorance.go google it. you like to do that and then pretend you know everything
81 baseball games and 19 concerts. The yankees draw 3 mill fans a year. I dont go to a lot of games anymore, but when the kids were younger I spent much more on Yawkeyway area than I ever did at patriot place. I was pretty sure both the reno in the 90s and 12 years ago was paid by all three, bills, erie and that state.Those were Erie Co taxpayers not state taxpayers. The state has been earning many millions annually from the Bills without ever paying a dollar for it. I posted the independent analysis a while ago that shows what the state makes from taxes. Regardless the NFL is a lot more profitable than baseball. 100 times a year? Where did you come up with that? 80 times maybe considering double headers. But how many fans? It’s 20k versus 75k. Anyway no football stadium is worth it, but neither are the baseball stadiums. Downstate has not argument here
Lol.Sorry bud, I’m the one who has been right about every point because I understand it. Perhaps you should google or buy a book about income tax rules so you can stop being wrong and repeating the same ignorance.
Still waiting for one example of the “many” things you keep referring to that you have failed to give a single example of.
It’s not “hubris” it’s that you have no clue.Lol.
Such hubris.
I have given multiple examples of how one might offset income. You apparently are looking at it like players are hourly employees getting a w2. They aren't.
A simple schedule c with depreciation schedules is a tax strategy. You take advantage of write offs when they become available.
Putting money in an IRA is a tax strategy. People putting money in a Roth is an example of a tax strategy. A 401k is a tax strategy.
Donating money to charity is a tax strategy. Creating a foundation is even bigger one.
Putting money in a trust is a strategy, to though the typical family trust is what's called a defective trust. Use of a complex trust, not a defective trust, is a tax strategy.
Creating a corporation to offset income generated by paying employees instead of just giving money to family and friends is a tax strategy. Investment in businesses and property is a tax strategy, especially if the start up costs are higher than the income generated. That debt is a write off, while the long term investment is protected.
You are looking at one layer, income earned because it suits your simple minded analysis, and then ignoring everything else potentially related. It's typical of your posts. You ignore what you want because it doesn't suit your myopic viewpoints.
So I don't know what to tell you besides stop being willfully obtuse.
You want specifics for players in buffalo? I can't give them to you because I do not know the state tax code, I do not know the specifics of an athletes contract and terms of employment, nor do I know the specifics of the tax codes in the other states they play. That's why you hire a tax professional. So stop pretending you know what you are talking about, because it's obvious you dont
It’s not “hubris” it’s that you have no clue.
NFL players LITERALLY ARE W2 employees.
Schedule C is a profit or loss statement for a business. Not a tax strategy. In order to depreciate they have to purchase equipment for business use, being an NFL player is not a business. It appears your argument here is they should start a business to buy equipment to depreciate.
So here is his that works. You spend $100,000 TODAY and you depreciate the asset over time. So maybe you deduct $5000 a year. How is that an advantage? Are you so obtuse that you think spending money for no purpose other than to not pay tax on it is good? Wh
“you take advantages of write offs when they become available”. What does that even mean? Name an example of a write off? Please after saying this 100 times acknowledge that to “write something off” you have to soend the money. Your entire approach is that spending money to save less than half of it in tax is somehow an advantage.
Everyone can contribute to retirement accounts. Every nfl player makes too much to deduct the 7000 they can put into an IRA.
Giving money to a charity Is not a tax strategy. Giving away 100k to save 50k on taxes puts you 50k in the hole. Creating a foundation does absolutely nothing for your personal tax liability. Nothing at all.
Creating a company that loses money surely reduces your tax bill. But why would anyone purposely lose money to save half of it in taxes.
If you open a business and it loses 100,000 that 100,000 cash out of you pocket. Are you seriously telling me that’s a smart move? Give away 100,000 to not pay tax on it? You should go to your boss today and tell him ti cut your pay 20,000 so you can pay less taxes. Then you have the “tax advantage” you think these hair brained ideas create.
I am not ignoring anything. I am saying that there are not ways for players to SENSIBLY reduce the tax they pay on their nfl pay with tax manipulations beyond what every normal person does. I asked you for examples. You gave 2 categories.
1) what every normal person does
2) stupid ideas to lose or give away money with a goal of reducing your taxes by about half the amount you gave lose. Essentially the equivalent of asking for a pay cut.
You last paragraph finally hits the nail in the head. YOU DO NOT KNOW. You have known this all along but are incapable of admitting that. You have heard somewhere “rich people get write offs”. You cannot name any ti back it up. You file a tax return every year under the exact same rules as every other American. Yet you cling to this belief that there is some mysterious thing “rich people” can do.
That’s not the case. There are specific items that are deductible. It’s the sand for everyone. The fact that you have resorted to the idea that “tax planning” involves scheming to lose money so that you give away part of your income voluntarily in order to reduce the tax you pay on it proves you are just dumb.
The point of reducing your taxes would be to have more money left at the end. You have wasted everyone’s time asserting that smart financial planning is to loses money so you can not pay tax on it. If you got a 10,000 raise tomorrow, your logic says you should turn it down so you sing have to pay tax on it.
So we are down to every idea you have given are either what everyone typically does, or something stupid that no one would do. Bravo for wasting so much of your time before finally writing that last paragraph and admitting you do not know what you are taking about.
The Bills are hugely profitable for the Pegulas.The Bills are the least valuable team in the NFL and lose miney every year, while for comparison the patriots are the 2nd most valuable and have an operating income of over $140M per year.
Apparently, the attitude of many here is that because the owners of the Bills are rich from other endeavors, they should just suck it up and fund a stadium in a city where they lose money every year. That makes no sense to me. The team is an economic loser in Buffalo. Of course, the team should investigate other cities and other markets.
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CONSIDER
that the owners might have investigated and were considering moving to San Antonio or Toronto or even St Louis.
Of course, the people of the Buffalo area want the team to stay. Perhaps the team should have been sold to the fans, so the fans could own the team as in Green Bay (let the fans lose the money). OR, perhaps the owner should be allowed to operate a business with the goal of making money and increasing value. The NFL is a business. The teams have every right to make money, as do the players. The vast majority of the revenue comes from media.
The State of NY is offering a considerable amount of money for the owners to stay. Personally, I'm not sure that the owners are making the best business decision (I suspect they would be better off in San Antonio). But, I have little doubt that the fans in Western New York are very happy that the team is staying.
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JUST BTW,
a small amount of revenue comes from tickets sales and concessions. The gross amount is less than 20%. The profits, of course, are much less.
The Bills stadium is fine, not a dump at all. I generally question what people really want in a gameday experience.At SB42, I was told by a Canadian sportswriter covering the NFL that the Bills to Toronto was a done deal.
Then the 2008 great recession struck.
Toronto had plans to build a spanking new NFL venue with luxury suites galore. Evidently, Toronto has a vibrant business environment with plenty of corporations ready to purchase luxury suites. Obviously, the NFL loved this move seizing at the opportunity to get a foot in the door of the Canadian market, but also for the new money. Bills tickets were some of the cheapest you can find. Stadiums in Buffalo and Jacksonville are underperformers bringing in NFL revenue. Ive never been to Ralph Wilson but have heard its a real dump. The Jags stadium is no prize either.
BTW, the Chiefs want a new stadium and are threatening to move across state lines. The KC Royals are in the midst of moving downtown. If youve never been to either facility, but wanted to go, now would be a good time to make plans.
Both stadiums are old, but also very nice. Tailgating space galore which is half the fun IMO.
Any economic analysis of stadiums will tell you they are all losers because the vast majority of the money is local. Doesn't matter how many fans they get.81 baseball games and 19 concerts. The yankees draw 3 mill fans a year. I dont go to a lot of games anymore, but when the kids were younger I spent much more on Yawkeyway area than I ever did at patriot place. I was pretty sure both the reno in the 90s and 12 years ago was paid by all three, bills, erie and that state.
It’s sad that you are so ignorant you see knowledge as hubris.You don't know but you pretend that you do. That's the definition of hubris.
The point of reducing your taxes is so you don't pay the government as much. It's better to spend it than it is to give it away.
And my last paragraph is the truth. I don't know because I am not a professional athlete. But the difference between you and me is I will admit it. Yet you try to speak with authority on the topic like everything else. You are, quite literally a walking talking dunning-kruger effect.
Which is a direct reference to you not being an honest person. Basically I find you full of **** because you pretend to know everything, yet speak with only a casual tone that belies the import of the topic.
You fail to get the point, as well. You raise 10000? Why on earth would you turn it down? That is the exact opposite of what I am saying. You invest it. You put it to work for you. And in doing so, you can use it to your advantage come tax time.
I mean really, if you are going to profess that you are an authority on the matter at hand, at least think it through. This is basic economics. It's not scheming. Everything I have said is above board and legal. That's why it's called a strategy.
Jfc, this is simple stuff... I shouldn't have to explain it... But you are definitely being you... Never give an inch even when it's obvious the entire conversation has eluded your ability to comprehend it.
1) why is that not legitimate? It is an expense of doing business. It’s no less legitimate than office supplies, marketing materials or commissions pays to salesman. Why would we expect a corporation to incur an expense in selling their product and still include that as profit?If people were really interested in denting these threats from the billionaire owners, two very simple things could be done in tax law to even the field.
1. Eliminate the corporate tax write offs for entertainment. In just a few months time, my brother has gone to several big sports events for his company for free, all very cushy. Get rid of the write-offs.
2. Eliminate the step-up in basis. It's absurd that it even exists. You'd then see these billionaires circulating money back into the economy so that the government wouldn't have to do it repeatedly.
If people were really interested in denting these threats from the billionaire owners, two very simple things could be done in tax law to even the field.
1. Eliminate the corporate tax write offs for entertainment. In just a few months time, my brother has gone to several big sports events for his company for free, all very cushy. Get rid of the write-offs.
The tax deduction for event tickets/luxury suites was eliminated in 2018 but food and beverage expenses incurred within the suite/at the event are 50% deductible as long these items are billed separately from the cost of the ticket/suite.If people were really interested in denting these threats from the billionaire owners, two very simple things could be done in tax law to even the field.
1. Eliminate the corporate tax write offs for entertainment. In just a few months time, my brother has gone to several big sports events for his company for free, all very cushy. Get rid of the write-offs.
It’s sad that you are so ignorant you see knowledge as hubris.
I didn’t profess to be an authority on anything.
Haha everything I said is 100% accurate.
LOL.Sorry bud, I’m the one who has been right about every point because I understand it
It’s not “hubris” it’s that you have no clue.
NFL players LITERALLY ARE W2 employees.
Schedule C is a profit or loss statement for a business. Not a tax strategy. In order to depreciate they have to purchase equipment for business use, being an NFL player is not a business. It appears your argument here is they should start a business to buy equipment to depreciate.
So here is his that works. You spend $100,000 TODAY and you depreciate the asset over time. So maybe you deduct $5000 a year. How is that an advantage? Are you so obtuse that you think spending money for no purpose other than to not pay tax on it is good? Wh
“you take advantages of write offs when they become available”. What does that even mean? Name an example of a write off? Please after saying this 100 times acknowledge that to “write something off” you have to soend the money. Your entire approach is that spending money to save less than half of it in tax is somehow an advantage.
Everyone can contribute to retirement accounts. Every nfl player makes too much to deduct the 7000 they can put into an IRA.
Giving money to a charity Is not a tax strategy. Giving away 100k to save 50k on taxes puts you 50k in the hole. Creating a foundation does absolutely nothing for your personal tax liability. Nothing at all.
Creating a company that loses money surely reduces your tax bill. But why would anyone purposely lose money to save half of it in taxes.
If you open a business and it loses 100,000 that 100,000 cash out of you pocket. Are you seriously telling me that’s a smart move? Give away 100,000 to not pay tax on it? You should go to your boss today and tell him ti cut your pay 20,000 so you can pay less taxes. Then you have the “tax advantage” you think these hair brained ideas create.
I am not ignoring anything. I am saying that there are not ways for players to SENSIBLY reduce the tax they pay on their nfl pay with tax manipulations beyond what every normal person does. I asked you for examples. You gave 2 categories.
1) what every normal person does
2) stupid ideas to lose or give away money with a goal of reducing your taxes by about half the amount you gave lose. Essentially the equivalent of asking for a pay cut.
You last paragraph finally hits the nail in the head. YOU DO NOT KNOW. You have known this all along but are incapable of admitting that. You have heard somewhere “rich people get write offs”. You cannot name any ti back it up. You file a tax return every year under the exact same rules as every other American. Yet you cling to this belief that there is some mysterious thing “rich people” can do.
That’s not the case. There are specific items that are deductible. It’s the sand for everyone. The fact that you have resorted to the idea that “tax planning” involves scheming to lose money so that you give away part of your income voluntarily in order to reduce the tax you pay on it proves you are just dumb.
The point of reducing your taxes would be to have more money left at the end. You have wasted everyone’s time asserting that smart financial planning is to loses money so you can not pay tax on it. If you got a 10,000 raise tomorrow, your logic says you should turn it down so you sing have to pay tax on it.
So we are down to every idea you have given are either what everyone typically does, or something stupid that no one would do. Bravo for wasting so much of your time before finally writing that last paragraph and admitting you do not know what you are taking about.
Wow $600M chipped in from NY state funding. Bills owner who is worth something like 10x that amount couldn’t pay for his own stadium?
I’m sure NYC and Staten Island taxpayers will appreciate the move especially if the team relocates.
Google "time value of money"So? What does an annuity and future value of money have to do with whether a revenue stream covers the expense.
The government issues bonds to cover the cost. The payments to service those bonds are set in stone. The revenue steam required to pay then is not subject to inflation, that is the payment remains the same. Inflation actually makes the opposite argument of what you are implying.
Assuming 2.7% growth of the annuity payment per year (55 million at the end of 30 years), we get a PV of $698 million. Still a net loser.Now run the present value given the assumption that the $25 million number will increase roughly $1 million per year over the next 30 years, which is a very safe - if conservative - assumption given how the NFL revenues are exploding.
And Biden won't be president forever, so to use 7% a year for the next 30 years period is weaksauce.
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