2022 PTP Draft Board / Pats Draft Talk

[*ChungFu*]

Watching the Boston College spring football game on the ACC network and Alec Lindstrom was just interviewed on the sideline.

Lindstrom was asked what he was doing to prepare for the draft, and he said that he and Zion Johnson are working out together in Foxboro under the tutelage of Dante Scarnecchia.

There’s a significant contingent of posters here who like Zion Johnson and want the Pats to draft them. You have to think working pre-draft with Dante increases that possibility.

Can Johnson play tackle? Lindy’s draft publication lists him as a tackle. Btw, I have a bad cold (Covid negative), so I’m laying low watching a spring football game rather than doing something useful with my time.

Nice. I've often wondered why the Pats haven't been in on the BC offensive lineman to the NFL pipeline more often. Was Damien Woody the last? It is a pretty reliable source.

 

[50-yard-line]

Yes. Definitely. How does Jameson help the Pats' defense make Buffalo punt?

If J Johnson is available at 21 maybe take him. Otherwise I doubt there will be anyone at 21 that is better than 2 players in Round 2. Trade down. This draft is not top heavy, the talent is spread quite evenly.

He might be the best receiver in the draft - WRs cost a ton of money right now. I'd be very tempted to grab him at 21 if it came to that.

Lloyd, Davis, and Williams all seem somewhat unique in this draft class. Don't know that I'd pass on them, because I fear your last sentence is better read, "The draft is not top-heavy, the mediocre talent is spread quite evenly."

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm seeing some red flags (like Georgia's defense looking like it could put several immediate impact players into the NFL).

I remember a very deep, supposedly, TE class a few years ago. It was indeed. Deeply mediocre.

 

[borisman]

I don't know if this has been discussed or not but the more I think about it the more I think the Pats should draft Marcus Jones (and preferably another CB high in the draft). We have water bugs like Hill, Waddle, Elijah Moore, McKenzie in our division. Sure we have JJones but he's really the only one that can help against these speedsters. There's rumors the Pats could be switching to a zone heavy team but if not then Marcus Jones may cause some problems for these type of players. He certainly looks like he has the speed to "keep up". He's had some shoulder injuries, as did JJones, so that is a concern. If the Pats like him they may have to snag him in the 3rd round.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

He might be the best receiver in the draft - WRs cost a ton of money right now. I'd be very tempted to grab him at 21 if it came to that.

Lloyd, Davis, and Williams all seem somewhat unique in this draft class. Don't know that I'd pass on them, because I fear your last sentence is better read, "The draft is not top-heavy, the mediocre talent is spread quite evenly."

I hope I'm wrong, but I'm seeing some red flags (like Georgia's defense looking like it could put several immediate impact players into the NFL).

I remember a very deep, supposedly, TE class a few years ago. It was indeed. Deeply mediocre.

You could be right. That is the fun of the draft. Lloyd will be long gone. The GA coaches did nor play Davis nearly as much as Wyatt due to conditioning, even though he is an amazing athlete. Will Davis turn a corner and become a professional? If yes, I am all in on picking him, but there is concern. Are we better off with a "top the league receiver" or a bunch of above average receivers and Mac distributing the ball? I get it, watching Ja'marr Chase is exciting and the Bengals caught magic in a bottle, but will that magic translate to 2022 and 2023? Williams was shut down by Kaiir Elam - it is on Youtube - again is a generational talent shut down by one guy?

I would prefer Dax Hill or Kaiir Elam plus another player as opposed to Davis or Williams. Davis and Williams are amazing athletes, and the Pats need more amazing athletes, but I am not sure the drop off from Davis to Travis Jones is that significant.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Just following up a name from Matt Bowen/NESN, but Khalil Shakir looks absolutely great to me: a mixture of Bourne and Amendola with something of the toughness of Edelman when it comes to punching out the final yard. Does anyone else have views on him?

I only see "Khalil Shakir" but the rest is in British so I can't make it out.

Really good at winning in a short area even though his 3C # was poor. He's really good at getting off the line - light, quick feet and just getting open. Can potentially stretch the field on occasion from the slot if he's played off or it's zone. Again really good at working a in the "20 yard box" that's essentially what football is played in. Not much play strength but great hand/eye coordination even though he could improve his hands. He's a soccer nut so you see some of that in his game. Gives you a little yac even though he needs to get stronger. Smart he knows how to attack different coverages. Changes up his speed and pace before hitting the gas good acceleration but lacks long speed. 3rd RD value imo.

 

[50-yard-line]

You could be right. That is the fun of the draft. Lloyd will be long gone. The GA coaches did nor play Davis nearly as much as Wyatt due to conditioning, even though he is an amazing athlete. Will Davis turn a corner and become a professional? If yes, I am all in on picking him, but there is concern. Are we better off with a "top the league receiver" or a bunch of above average receivers and Mac distributing the ball? I get it, watching Ja'marr Chase is exciting and the Bengals caught magic in a bottle, but will that magic translate to 2022 and 2023? Williams was shut down by Kaiir Elam - it is on Youtube - again is a generational talent shut down by one guy?

I would prefer Dax Hill or Kaiir Elam plus another player as opposed to Davis or Williams. Davis and Williams are amazing athletes, and the Pats need more amazing athletes, but I am not sure drop off from Davis to Travis Jones is that significant.

Your reasoning is sound. Davis became my binkie after the first Georgia game. Williams drops ONLY because of the ACL, which doesn't scare me...and the Pats are down to two WRs next year, so can afford to wait on him.

With Davis, you simply can't teach that kind of size and power.

Similarly, I like Faalele later on. Raw and huge.

I like McCollum, Jelani Woods, Ariaza...all potential diamonds in a draft I feel isn't thick with sure things.

I want to stay away from Edge, unless a true blue-chip prospect falls. If the answer isn't already in house, go get Trey Flowers.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Your reasoning is sound. Davis became my binkie after the first Georgia game. Williams drops ONLY because of the ACL, which doesn't scare me...and the Pats are down to two WRs next year, so can afford to wait on him.

With Davis, you simply can't teach that kind of size and power.

Similarly, I like Faalele later on. Raw and huge.

I like McCollum, Jelani Woods, Ariaza...all potential diamonds in a draft I feel isn't thick with sure things.

I want to stay away from Edge, unless a true blue-chip prospect falls. If the answer isn't already in house, go get Trey Flowers.

I agree with getting Trey Flowers if he is OK. He has to pass a physical.

Jermaine Johnson seems to blend amazing size, speed, and strength to me while being an instinctive, intelligent player. He is very quick while benching 27 reps - amazing. Look at his Youtube videos, he rushes while being aware of the run - his perception coupled with his speed and strength make him a true blue chip prospect IMO and is my only choice at 21. Beyond that I say trade down. I think the Pats will trade down and pick Dax Hill.

I would love Davis, and he should be gone at 10 or so, like Vita Vea. But will he? I doubt it. Why? I think it is because he does not interview well and did not seem to take staying in playing shape/weight seriously. Maybe he will change as he was in college (Mac seems to be taking things more seriously now), but maybe not. As BGC says, the personal interviews and injury reports are unknown to us.

Trent Brown is a beast and I think he fell to the 7th round because most of the very large beast OTs never work out. I have no idea if Faalele will work out, but clearly he is a Day 3 guy for me.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I'll have my grades out tomorrow or tomorrow night. Small update to the board.

Might start a few individual threads for position/skill set.

 

[Hawaiipatsfan2]

How’s does one have 34 inch arms and only 9 inch hands?

 

[Clonamery]

How’s does one have 34 inch arms and only 9 inch hands?

Chews his nails or genetics. One of the two.

 

[Hawaiipatsfan2]

I agree with getting Trey Flowers if he is OK. He has to pass a physical.

Jermaine Johnson seems to blend amazing size, speed, and strength to me while being an instinctive, intelligent player. He is very quick while benching 27 reps - amazing. Look at his Youtube videos, he rushes while being aware of the run - his perception coupled with his speed and strength make him a true blue chip prospect IMO and is my only choice at 21. Beyond that I say trade down. I think the Pats will trade down and pick Dax Hill.

I would love Davis, and he should be gone at 10 or so, like Vita Vea. But will he? I doubt it. Why? I think it is because he does not interview well and did not seem to take staying in playing shape/weight seriously. Maybe he will change as he was in college (Mac seems to be taking things more seriously now), but maybe not. As BGC says, the personal interviews and injury reports are unknown to us.

Trent Brown is a beast and I think he fell to the 7th round because most of the very large beast OTs never work out. I have no idea if Faalele will work out, but clearly he is a Day 3 guy for me.

To be fair to Davis, Vita Vea had weight concerns coming out, and has had to be closely monitored over the course of his career. His contract has a weight clause and twice he was almost fined for not being at the specified weight in season.

 

[ralmat55]

Get better soon! And a warning. I tested negative for the first two days.

Thank you. I’ll take another test before going to work on Monday. I’ve had Covid twice already including a bout with it in February.

Both times the congestion was far less than I’m currently experiencing and was accompanied by a bitter taste in my mouth which is not present this time. I’ve got my fingers crossed.

Back on topic, I really want the Patriots to take a corner in the 1st round, but I’m having a hard time liking the corners in this draft. Really the top prospects don’t look much better than the 2nd or 3rd round prospects. Is this just me or is anyone else seeing it the same?

 

[Mike the Brit]

Thank you. I’ll take another test before going to work on Monday. I’ve had Covid twice already including a bout with it in February.

Both times the congestion was far less than I’m currently experiencing and was accompanied by a bitter taste in my mouth which is not present this time. I’ve got my fingers crossed.

Back on topic, I really want the Patriots to take a corner in the 1st round, but I’m having a hard time liking the corners in this draft. Really the top prospects don’t look much better than the 2nd or 3rd round prospects. Is this just me or is anyone else seeing it the same?

Well, if you had it in February, you really, by rights, should have immunity, even if you've gone from BA1 to BA2. So I'll cross my fingers for you too. Having had my first bout a few weeks ago, I wouldn't wish it on others.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

To be fair to Davis, Vita Vea had weight concerns coming out, and has had to be closely monitored over the course of his career. His contract has a weight clause and twice he was almost fined for not being at the specified weight in season.

If that works, then let's draft him.

 

[Love The Drake]

 

[upstater1]

I don't know if this has been discussed or not but the more I think about it the more I think the Pats should draft Marcus Jones (and preferably another CB high in the draft). We have water bugs like Hill, Waddle, Elijah Moore, McKenzie in our division. Sure we have JJones but he's really the only one that can help against these speedsters. There's rumors the Pats could be switching to a zone heavy team but if not then Marcus Jones may cause some problems for these type of players. He certainly looks like he has the speed to "keep up". He's had some shoulder injuries, as did JJones, so that is a concern. If the Pats like him they may have to snag him in the 3rd round.

This is why I'm asking for pass rushers up front. You can't throw the ball to the water bugs if you're in the dirt or running for your life.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

This is why I'm asking for pass rushers up front. You can't throw the ball to the water bugs if you're in the dirt or running for your life.

But how does a pass rusher help our defense deal properly with rpo’s?

 

[upstater1]

But how does a pass rusher help our defense deal properly with rpo’s?

It's not just one guy, we need lots of help. Front 7. We need LBs. I'm just saying that by the time you're relying on Andrew Booth and Kaiir Elam for help with Tyreek and Waddle, you've basically lost the game.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

It's not just one guy, we need lots of help. Front 7. We need LBs. I'm just saying that by the time you're relying on Andrew Booth and Kaiir Elam for help with Tyreek and Waddle, you've basically lost the game.

Could not agree more:

1.) we need linebackers that can get downhill and blow up RPO plays.

2.) because our defensive line can be blocked easily one on one, faster downhill linebackers are easily neutralized by guards on RPO plays.

To avoid this chicken or the egg scenario, we need the following:

1.) defensive linemen that can command a double team.
2.) faster linebackers that can get off blocks.
3.) defensive backs that can cover downfield.