Jones Should Be Greatly Improved In 2022

[Huckleberry1]

With the Andy Dalton comparison I am comparing Mac's rookie year to Dalton's prime.

We don't know what Mac's ceiling is or how he matures physically or grows in the system.

Whereas Triump is saying that Andy Dalton is Mac Jones ceiling. And his real point is that he’s not a franchise QB, and they need to replace him.

My take on Jones is that he has the tools and mindset to become a great QB, I saw the things I wanted to see out of him, in terms of processing information and understanding the game at this level, it’s not too fast for him. He can make all the throws, he’s a leader, and the team rallies around him and believe in him. He also has better touch than I ever imagined he would have. I think he’s going to be a really good QB, but they need to get him serious weapons if they are going to compete in the AFC, which is loaded with young talent at QB. We will see what happens over the next few years, but the one the I know for certain is that there will be people like Triump crapping all over him, and hoping he will fail, just so they can be right. They have been wrong the past twenty years, but now they get another shot at it.

 

[patfanken]

It's all about the "ARM". That will be the narrative all this off season. Nothing is going to change it. It is what it is.

But that being said, I happened to compare Mac's rookie year. production to Josh Allen's. It was really eye popping and you should check it out. Now. Allen is without question truly an elite QB, a guy who can carry an offense with both his arm and legs. But Allen didn't come into the league a finished product as his stats show, and neither is Mac a finished product by any means. His are WILL get stronger as he gets stronger over all. He decision making WILL get better as he sees more and more defenses and coverage, His production WILL go up as he becomes more attuned with his receivers.

But the end result is that in order to win more games (and that IS the goal here) the TEAM needs to get better. So it's not just a Mac issue, its a TEAM issue. The media tries its best to make us forget that critical fact. Their job is to sell us personalities. It is an easy narrative when we can break it down to individuals and football it is NEVER about individuals, its about the T-E-A-M. It's why I fell in love with the game, and it saddens me to see it presented this way and to see fans taken in by this narrative.

I literally shed a tear when the Pats were introduced as a team back in that first superbowl against the Rams. That game was the visual proof that the better TEAM can beat the better INDIVIDUALS. We should never forget that. We hope we will add better individuals that will make us a better team this off season. EVERY team adds better individuals in the off season, but do they make them better teams.

We have 2 teams in this superbowl that #4 seeds. that should tell us something about better TEAMS are that way because they are better than the sum of their individual parts. The last guy at the end of an NFL bench is a superior athlete and a great football player. Don't forget that.

 

[sb1]

If not Mac than who?
Cam? No thanks seen enough of that.

Stidham? Lol.

There were no other top QBs on the board. We certainly wouldn’t have our badly needed first rounder and probably a lot more than that this year if we were foolish enough to trade up.

Mills? I’m not convinced that he’s an NFL caliber starting QB at all.

Mac was the right call. Unfinished product but I’m confident he’ll get a lot better.

 

[jdlboot14]

Nice to hear Mac's comments on his plan for the offseason. While he seemed like a schoolboy at a frat party at the Pro Bowl, one thing is true - his energy is infectious, and even vets respond to this guy. He makes it easy to root for him. I think he'll have 100% backing by the entire team going into OTA's, etc... What I'm hoping is that he takes initiative and organizes some workouts with the WR's & TE's this spring. I'm excited to see the progress of this group next season, with the addition of 1 playmaking WR.

 

[Triumph]

Whereas Triump is saying that Andy Dalton is Mac Jones ceiling. And his real point is that he’s not a franchise QB, and they need to replace him.

My take on Jones is that he has the tools and mindset to become a great QB, I saw the things I wanted to see out of him, in terms of processing information and understanding the game at this level, it’s not too fast for him. He can make all the throws, he’s a leader, and the team rallies around him and believe in him. He also has better touch than I ever imagined he would have. I think he’s going to be a really good QB, but they need to get him serious weapons if they are going to compete in the AFC, which is loaded with young talent at QB. We will see what happens over the next few years, but the one the I know for certain is that there will be people like Triump crapping all over him, and hoping he will fail, just so they can be right. They have been wrong the past twenty years, but now they get another shot at it.

Im sayin that the biggest Patriots Homers like Igor will go to great lengths to defend any NE Patriot player regardless of their shortcomings.

Never point out an obvious flaws in any Patriots players game and rile up Igor Wynette.

 

[Triumph]

If not Mac than who?
Cam? No thanks seen enough of that.

Stidham? Lol.

There were no other top QBs on the board. We certainly wouldn’t have our badly needed first rounder and probably a lot more than that this year if we were foolish enough to trade up.

Mills? I’m not convinced that he’s an NFL caliber starting QB at all.

Mac was the right call. Unfinished product but I’m confident he’ll get a lot better.

Kyle Trask

Anxious to see him play.

 

[upstater1]

The whole weak arm stuff is lame when you consider Peyton Manning and Joe Montana (who had average arms) versus players like Jamarcus Russell and Jeff George. Arm strength is overrated once you have at least the arm strength to throw an out (which Mac did well so many times last year).

There are guys like Dan Marino and Aaron Rodgers who combine the best of both worlds (i.e. strong arms, great play) but how successful are they relative to mediocre armed QBs like Peyton and Montana?

For all we know, Josh Allen will be like John Elway, who struggled with his strong arm and accuracy, and never really succeeded until his team decided to go the chop blocking route to spring Terrell Davis.

Arm strength is important but really overrated as an attribute.

 

[Love The Drake]

Kyle Trask

Anxious to see him play.

I think Bucs nab Grap or Watson.

 

[sb1]

Kyle Trask

Anxious to see him play.

Forgot about him. Trask would have been an interesting pick and I think there are arguments for and against Trask as an alternative to Mac. I would hope the Patriots wouldn't reach for Trask in the first round.

But if they go with Trask in the second round maybe they don't get Barmore?

 

[Huckleberry1]

Im sayin that the biggest Patriots Homers like Igor will go to great lengths to defend any NE Patriot player regardless of their shortcomings.

Never point out an obvious flaws in any Patriots players game and rile up Igor Wynette.

No, you said “ the Patriots need to draft another QB.” And you were absolutely saying that Jones ceiling was Andy Dalton.

I will defend players I think deserve it, and not those who don’t, like Agholor. You on the other hand spend your time trashing Belichick and the Patriots until they win the Super Bowl, then you claim “ I was with them all the way.

As far as Mac Jones goes he proved you wrong this season, you just can’t deal with that.

Stay miserable Triump.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The whole weak arm stuff is lame when you consider Peyton Manning and Joe Montana (who had average arms) versus players like Jamarcus Russell and Jeff George. Arm strength is overrated once you have at least the arm strength to throw an out (which Mac did well so many times last year).

There are guys like Dan Marino and Aaron Rodgers who combine the best of both worlds (i.e. strong arms, great play) but how successful are they relative to mediocre armed QBs like Peyton and Montana?

For all we know, Josh Allen will be like John Elway, who struggled with his strong arm and accuracy, and never really succeeded until his team decided to go the chop blocking route to spring Terrell Davis.

Arm strength is important but really overrated as an attribute.

Jones reminds me more of Manning than any other QB. Brady was clearly the better QB but Manning always made a lot of touch throws, and that’s a strength of Jones game. It may sound odd but I think his tennis background plays into his style of play.

 

[upstater1]

Jones reminds me more of Manning than any other QB. Brady was clearly the better QB but Manning always made a lot of touch throws, and that’s a strength of Jones game. It may sound odd but I think his tennis background plays into his style of play.

I totally agree with you. Even his throwing motion is very Manning like. I'm sure a lot of kids growing up with the SEC idolized Manning in those years.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Mills? I’m not convinced that he’s an NFL caliber starting QB at all.

Mac Jones over 17 games

3801 yds 67.6 % 22 TD 13 INT 92.5 rtg

David Mills prorated over 17 games (played 13, started 11):

3483 yds 66.8 % 21 TD 13 INT 88.8 rtg

One is the next best thing and a future elite QB for NE fans and the other is not an NFL starting QB by your opinion. One played for Bill Belichick and the other for one of the worst team in the league. I wonder what Mills would have done with a competent team. Call it perspective.

 

[mgteich]

Mac Jones over 17 games

3801 yds 67.6 % 22 TD 13 INT 92.5 rtg

David Mills prorated over 17 games (played 13, started 11):

3483 yds 66.8 % 21 TD 13 INT 88.8 rtg

One is the next best thing and a future elite QB for NE fans and the other is not an NFL starting QB by your opinion. One played for Bill Belichick and the other for one of the worst team in the league. I wonder what Mills would have done with a competent team. Call it perspective.

Mills was a reasonable option on Draft Day, as many here said at the time. Jones came highly recommended from his college coach, a from the speculation that he could have been the #2 pick.

I haven't a clue with regard to who would do better for us, certainly not based on 2021 performance.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I was watching old Peyton Manning games and I thought he had a stronger arm then he showed. He threw some floaters.

 

[Rob0729]

Mac Jones over 17 games

3801 yds 67.6 % 22 TD 13 INT 92.5 rtg

David Mills prorated over 17 games (played 13, started 11):

3483 yds 66.8 % 21 TD 13 INT 88.8 rtg

One is the next best thing and a future elite QB for NE fans and the other is not an NFL starting QB by your opinion. One played for Bill Belichick and the other for one of the worst team in the league. I wonder what Mills would have done with a competent team. Call it perspective.

Mills had two things that Jones didn't have. A legitimate #1 WR in Brandin Cooks and a lot of other receiving targets although none of them being all that great beyond Cooks.

I don't know if Mills will won't be a starting NFL receiver. He showed flashes, but he wildly inconsistent. He had games where he played like a 9th string QB. And he had some great games. Jones was far more consistent in his play.

Also, the coaching staff managed the two QBs very different. Jones was managed more. The Texans let Mills just air it out because they had nothing to lose.

Two very different situations.

 

[venecol]

Mills? I’m not convinced that he’s an NFL caliber starting QB at all.

He's not known for having weak arm strength. With good coaching he could be a starting QB.

Analysis: Mills possesses prototypical physical skills for the next level, offering outstanding size as well as arm strength. He possesses the ability to throw all the passes and flashed dominance at Stanford, but he needs more playing time and a good quarterbacks coach before he’s NFL-ready.

 

[sb1]

Mac Jones over 17 games

3801 yds 67.6 % 22 TD 13 INT 92.5 rtg

David Mills prorated over 17 games (played 13, started 11):

3483 yds 66.8 % 21 TD 13 INT 88.8 rtg

One is the next best thing and a future elite QB for NE fans and the other is not an NFL starting QB by your opinion. One played for Bill Belichick and the other for one of the worst team in the league. I wonder what Mills would have done with a competent team. Call it perspective.

I know a lot of people were high on Mills. I don't think he's that good and I don't see him with a future as a starting QB in this league for most teams. I would hope the Patriots wouldn't have been foolish enough to reach for Mills at 15 instead of Mac, that would be probably the worst draft pick Belichick has ever made. There's no guarantee Mills beats out Cam for his job if he's here, or Stidham for that matter.

Nobody is saying Mac is a guaranteed elite QB - we don't know what he is yet - but we do know he is a viable starting QB and he's better than Mills.

Also can't really prorate stats like that for a backup QB like Mills. He was a backup. There's a reason why he didn't start those games for the Texans so we can't assume he would play to his average stats for the games he didn't play. He also played some garbage time. I'm not going to say Jimmy was a better QB than Brady in 2016 because his prorated stats for the year was better than Brady's.

 

[sb1]

He's not known for having weak arm strength. With good coaching he could be a starting QB.

Analysis: Mills possesses prototypical physical skills for the next level, offering outstanding size as well as arm strength. He possesses the ability to throw all the passes and flashed dominance at Stanford, but he needs more playing time and a good quarterbacks coach before he’s NFL-ready.

Mills has a good arm that’s one of his strengths. Wouldn’t say Mac’s is weak but it could get better and hopefully it will.

 

[captain stone]

Forgot about him. Trask would have been an interesting pick and I think there are arguments for and against Trask as an alternative to Mac. I would hope the Patriots wouldn't reach for Trask in the first round.

But if they go with Trask in the second round maybe they don't get Barmore?

If they didn't want or need Mac then I hope that they would've executed a trade-down... or, if unsuccessful, at least had the good sense to take either DE Kwitty Paye (coached by newest FOB Dan Brown), MLB/OLB/DE Zaven Collins from Tulsa, or one of the other DEs - Phillips, Rousseau, Tryon, Oweh - still available at the end of the first round.