Jones Should Be Greatly Improved In 2022

[sb1]

Yep.

Which is why it's not crazy to think Jones could be as good as Allen.

Right now it seems unlikely because of what transpired in the past month etc.

But things can always change.

Mac is a completely different QB than Allen.

 

[PATS16N0]

I don't think there's enough evidence one way or the other to say Mac is the guy or not. Let's see what happens next season. If he is our future, then I'm expecting improvement.

MAJOR improvement.

 

[Cam2HarryGOAT]

He said Allen can’t get smarter
Just wanted to let it sink

You can get more educated. You can't get smarter. Those are two different things.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

You can get more educated. You can't get smarter. Those are two different things.

And you think allen can’t improve his football IQ ?

 

[Kasmir]

I like how we’re just declaring that Mac has some super high football IQ that other obviously-superior quarterbacks in the league and division also conveniently lack.
Like, what a great fable. It’s so nice and peaceful here.

Apparently the future couldn’t be brighter. Can’t wait to revisit this trash after he’s a back-up somewhere and we’re on to the next one.

You do realize that Mac was named the #1 NCAA student athlete -- in all sports -- in 2020? And that he graduated with a masters degree? The dude is smart and plays smart.

 

[Cam2HarryGOAT]

Imagine joining the forum during the “Cam era” for anti-Brady diatribes and telling people that have been here 10-20 years they’re Bills fans.

The mods are really about 8 years late to the game here.

Every post I have seen from you has been you crapping on the Pats. So, yeah, I think it's reasonable to suspect you are not a Pats fan. Not sure what when I joined has to do with anything, what sort of point you think that makes.

 

[Cam2HarryGOAT]

And you think allen can’t improve his football IQ ?

Not substantially. How many instances of that have we witnessed? Off the top of my head I can't think of any. What's worse, is that even if there is improvement, guys tend to regress to original form under pressure, wether it be something mental, or, for example, poor mechanics. Look at a guy like Vick. Played his entire career without ever rising above average at reading a defense. Or Jimmy G, still making three or four "rookie mistakes" a game in year 7 or 8. The list is endless
So, yeah, I think Allen could improve his football IQ marginally. But Mac is already ahead of him in that regard. That is his path to being as good as Allen or better. It was framed as an impossibility by a supposed Pats fan. It's not.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

Not substantially. How many instances of that have we witnessed? Off the top of my head I can't think of any. What's worse, is that even if there is improvement, guys tend to regress to original form under pressure, wether it be something mental, or, for example, poor mechanics. Look at a guy like Vick. Played his entire career without ever rising above average at reading a defense. Or Jimmy G, still making three or four "rookie mistakes" a game in year 7 or 8. The list is endless
So, yeah, I think Allen could improve his football IQ marginally. But Mac is already ahead of him in that regard. That is his path to being as good as Allen or better. It was framed as an impossibility by a supposed Pats fan. It's not.

Well let’s hope he reaches Allen’s level that would be awesome

 

[Cam2HarryGOAT]

Well let’s hope he reaches Allen’s level that would be awesome

We have to get him some weapons. Meyers and Bourne are a fine 3 and 4, but he needs a legit 1 and 2.

 

[Kasmir]

We have to get him some weapons. Meyers and Bourne are a fine 3 and 4, but he needs a legit 1 and 2.

Bourne is >> Meyers. Meyers is a fan favorite because of his back story, but Bourne is much better.

 

[Rob0729]

We do not know whether Jones will be a franchise QB, but to say he won't be one is short sighted. Look at Joe Burrow. He is very similar to Jones down to people questioned his arm strength last year. And now now he is in the Super Bowl.

Yes, Jones has some limiting physical characteristics. He will never have Josh Allen's cannon arm. But he can develop his arm strength to make people not question his ability to throw the ball down the field like Burrow answered those questions this year with a much improved arm in his second year.

Jones cannot do anything about his height. But that is the only physical characteristic that cannot improve.

But Jones has a lot of the intagibles that few QBs have. He throws with anticipation and into tight windows. He reads the field better than most rookies do. He can go throw his progressions quickly and has a quick release. Those things you have or you don't. You can hone those skills, but if you don't have them you are likely going to have a short career. I think Zach Wilson may be in that category. A monster arm who wants to hit a homerun on every play.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Bourne is >> Meyers. Meyers is a fan favorite because of his back story, but Bourne is much better.

Ps: if both ran the 40 yard dash, you could use the minute hand of the click to time them.

 

[patfanken]

Yeah, now I’m a Bills fan because I know Mac Jones ****ing sucks compared to Josh Allen.

Good ****ing Lord, Red Sox fans MASQUERADING as Pat fans are ****ing insufferable AND ALWAYS ****ING HAVE BEEN.

No wonder Tom doesn’t like you.

Maybe a better comparison would be year one Josh Allen to year one Mac Jones. Lets see. Allen threw for just over 2000 yds. Mac threw for just over 3800. Mac threw for 22 TD's, Allen had 10. Alllen had 12 picks, Mac had 13. Mac Had a 67% completion percentage, Alllen had a 52%

Now after his FOURTH year Allen has blossomed into an elite QB. THAT's the guy you want to compare a rookie to. Not fair on any level. But by ANY measure Mac has had a MUCH more successful rookie year than Josh Allen had. Lets see where he is in 3 more years and THEN compare.

 

[venecol]

You do realize that Mac was named the #1 NCAA student athlete -- in all sports -- in 2020? And that he graduated with a masters degree? The dude is smart and plays smart.

Although impressive, let's not get too carried away. A BA in communications (2nd easiest to PoliSci) and Masters in sports hospitality (what is that?) doesn't make him a Rhodes Scholar.

 

[Kasmir]

Ps: if both ran the 40 yard dash, you could use the minute hand of the click to time them.

Yep, but Bourne had a 6.73s 3-Cone (85%) while Meyers was 7.07s (32%).

 

[venecol]

Not substantially. How many instances of that have we witnessed? Off the top of my head I can't think of any. What's worse, is that even if there is improvement, guys tend to regress to original form under pressure, wether it be something mental, or, for example, poor mechanics. Look at a guy like Vick. Played his entire career without ever rising above average at reading a defense. Or Jimmy G, still making three or four "rookie mistakes" a game in year 7 or 8. The list is endless
So, yeah, I think Allen could improve his football IQ marginally. But Mac is already ahead of him in that regard. That is his path to being as good as Allen or better. It was framed as an impossibility by a supposed Pats fan. It's not.

Man I hope you're wrong because if Allen doesn't have a high football IQ, the way he sliced through our D like butter, makes me question how bad the D really is.

 

[Guts]

Although impressive, let's not get too carried away. A BA in communications (2nd easiest to PoliSci) and Masters in sports hospitality (what is that?) doesn't make him a Rhodes Scholar.

"We're not talking about open heart surgery here" - BB

 

[Tunescribe]

Maybe I should go necrobump all my 2014 threads about how moving on from Tom Brady would ruin and kill this entire fanbase.

We can see who had some idea of what they were talking about, and who ****ing didn’t.

Yeah, now I’m a Bills fan because I know Mac Jones ****ing sucks compared to Josh Allen.

Good ****ing Lord, Red Sox fans MASQUERADING as Pat fans are ****ing insufferable AND ALWAYS ****ING HAVE BEEN.

No wonder Tom doesn’t like you.

You’re a goblin. Probably way overweight, physically destroyed from alcoholism, and utterly unappealing to look at.

You’re a moron, too.

Why do I care what you think?

Imagine joining the forum during the “Cam era” for anti-Brady diatribes and telling people that have been here 10-20 years they’re Bills fans.

The mods are really about 8 years late to the game here.

MAJOR improvement.

 

[mosi]

Our fanbase is literally oblivious to what makes a good quarterback, who is a good quarterback, and who will be a good quarterback.

Bunch of us wanted to move on to Jimmy G / were happy to move from Tom / thought Tom was finished from like 2012 on / entertained Matt Cassel discussions after 2008 / now think Mac Jones is a franchise quarterback.

Spoiler alert: Josh Allen and Mac Jones will never be in the same category. Buffalo is going to continue to get more solid, more reliable, more dominant, because with their quarterback, you don’t have to pretend. You can literally just watch it happen, on television, right in front of you, in real time.

Josh Allen looked like hot garbage in his first year. He has improved. Give Mac (and every other first year) QB some time.

 

[Tunescribe]

Man I hope you're wrong because if Allen doesn't have a high football IQ, the way he sliced through our D like butter, makes me question how bad the D really is.

Ninety percent of what happened in that playoff game was on the defense -- hobbled by injuries, practice squad DBs pressed into service, a passive game plan and guys just going through the motions. The Pats were worn out and ill-equipped while Allen had a full array of healthy weapons at his disposal.