NFL News Semi OT: Flores suing NFL and NYG. Texts from Bill involved in the suit.

[SHOWTIME15]

The Rooney Rule isn't going to help. If you want more minority coaches, it's going to take more owners hiring them without being forced to interview minority candidates. We see more black QBs today in the league because QBs like Doug Williams and Russell Wilson won a super bowl. Now we see more teams drafting black QBs in the first round like Mahomes, Jackson, Murray, Winston, etc. Trust me, it's slow, but the damn is going to eventually break on the coaching front as well. The Rooney rule isn't the answer though.

 

[borg]

What the suit is asking for

23. Among the other relief sought, Mr. Flores seeks the following injunctive relief:
i. Increase the influence of Black individuals in hiring and termination decisions for General Manager, Head Coach and Offensive and Defensive Coordinator positions;
a. Ensure diversity of ownership by creating and funding a committee dedicated to sourcing Black investors to take majority ownership stakes in NFL Teams;
b. Ensure diversity of decision-making by permitting select Black players and coaches to participate in the interviewing process for General Manager, Head Coach and Offensive and Defensive Coordinator positions;
ii. Increase the objectivity of hiring and termination decisions for General Manager, Head Coach and Offensive and Defensive Coordinator positions;
a. Require NFL Teams to reduce to writing the rationale for hiring and termination decisions, including a full explanation of the basis for any subjective influences (e.g., trust, personality, interview performance, etc.);
b. Require NFL Teams to consider side-by-side comparisons of objective criteria, such as past performance, experience and objective qualifications;
iii. Increase the number of Black Offensive and Defensive Coordinators;
a. Create and fund a training program for lower-level Black coaches who demonstrate an aptitude for coaching and an interest in advancing to a Coordinator position;
iv. Incentivize the hiring and retention of Black General Managers, Head Coaches and Offensive and Defensive Coordinators through monetary, draft and/or other compensation such as additional salary cap space; and
v. Complete transparency with respect to pay for all General Managers, Head Coaches and Offensive and Defensive Coordinators.

vi. Punish rampant nepotism in the coaching ranks which unfairly promotes underqualified candidates at the expense of minority hiring

 

[NFL Mystique]

Curious to see how Goodell's presser goes next week.

 

[upstater1]

Painter was the only QB they had behind Manning.. After Manning went down, they re-signed Orlovsky who had been in camp. But it took until November 30th for Caldwell to bench Painter.

I understand that but, I'm sorry, Painter never played in the NFL again. Orlovsky came in and won 2 games.

I really think Painter was the Nathan Peterman of his era. Should never have been in the league. Orlovsky had a long career as a backup and probably deserved that role. He could win you a game in a pinch. Painter was the 2nd or 3rd worst QB I've ever seen after Peterman or Scott Secules.

 

[NFL Mystique]

I suppose a defense attorney could question Flores on why this thing about tanking compensation is only coming out now. Not a few years ago when it actually occurred.

Obviously Flores could answer that by stating he valued keeping his job and being ethical simultaneously.

I tend to believe Flores though. There's something shady with that Dolohins owner. Always has been. Whether this can all be proven is another question.

 

[patsfan13]

Whitlock pointed out that most coach's get started as grad assistants and work for very low wages initially. HE said that many black players cannot afford to do this because they already have children and financial obligations that prohibit that path. Knows this from first hand knowledge.

 

[venecol]

In the NFL, position coaches are typically promoted to coordinators, then coordinators to head coaches. The study showed that white coaches in the NFL are 50 percent more likely than minorities to be promoted to any position. The researchers examined the careers of more than 1,200 men who were NFL coaches from 1985 to 2012. The racial gap persisted when they accounted for a coach’s starting and current positions, education, team performance, experience, and other factors.

We’ve been able to identify very precisely where the bottleneck is in reaching the top, and that’s one level below where many think it is.”
—Chris Rider, Graham Family Fellow and Associate Professor of Strategy

“If we were just to take all coordinators, we would see that there was no racial advantage or disadvantage in promotion rates from coordinator to head coach,” said Rider, an organizational theorist.


But there was a dramatic difference between whites and blacks making the move from position coach to coordinator. Whites had a 114 percent greater chance of being promoted from position coach to coordinator, and 70 percent of head coaches are promoted from the coordinator position. Only 16 percent make the leap from position coach to head coach. Furthermore, it takes nine years for a white coach to have a greater than 50 percent probability of being promoted to coordinator; it takes a minority coach 14 years to reach that same probability.

The Uneven Playing Field - McDonough School of Business

Research reveals what may be blocking diversity in NFL coaching. By Melanie Padgett Powers Photo by Gary Landsman The National Football League has measures in place to increase the chance that minorities will be hired as head coaches. But in assessing all levels of coaching jobs, a Georgetown...

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[Sciz]

vi. Punish rampant nepotism in the coaching ranks which unfairly promotes underqualified candidates at the expense of minority hiring

Not the best week to be making that argument, with both head coaches preparing for the Super Bowl having gotten into the NFL via blatant nepotism.

 

[borg]

Curious to see how Goodell's presser goes next week.

The female accusers of Dan Snyder are in the news again as well and they are eviscerating Dan Snyder and the NFL's treatment of their complaints.

U.S. House committee requests Roger Goodell, Daniel Snyder testify at hearing to address Washington culture

The Oversight Committee has been investigating the NFL for months

www.cbssports.com

 

[RobertWeathers]

Whitlock pointed out that most coach's get started as grad assistants and work for very low wages initially. HE said that many black players cannot afford to do this because they already have children and financial obligations that prohibit that path. Knows this from first hand knowledge.

Statistics support his statement and that is a whole different topic.

 

[XLIX]

Whitlock pointed out that most coach's get started as grad assistants and work for very low wages initially. HE said that many black players cannot afford to do this because they already have children and financial obligations that prohibit that path. Knows this from first hand knowledge.

THIS is the key to giving a true gauge of racism in the hiring/promotion process.

We are constantly being told that the League is 70% black and every time I hear it, I roll my eyes because anyone with half a brain knows that is a completely meaningless statistic. The true measure we should be looking at is the racial breakdown of people who attempt to enter the coaching ranks. That stat would be extremely tough to measure because it would be extremely tough to define, but would provide us with more information that the racial breakdown of players.

The head coaches in the modern day NFL is not exactly a group of men who all had tremendous success as players. There is an awful lot of never-played in the NFL, or barely made the team types. There is just no established correlation between success as a player and desire to be a coach.

 

[Steve102]

Curious to see how Goodell's presser goes next week.

 

[NFL Mystique]

The female accusers of Dan Snyder are in the news again as well and they are eviscerating Dan Snyder and the NFL's treatment of their complaints.

U.S. House committee requests Roger Goodell, Daniel Snyder testify at hearing to address Washington culture

The Oversight Committee has been investigating the NFL for months

www.cbssports.com

The NBA use to be the league full of Shady stuff. Seems the NHL & NFL have taken it to a new level.

 

[NFL Mystique]

He will find a way to slither out of answering questions.

Just like he did with Deflategate & the non call against the Saints.

 

[XLIX]

He will find a way to slither out of answering questions.

Just like he did with Deflategate & the non call against the Saints.

Anytime he gets asked a tough question, he pivots to the 9 year old girl who won the "ask a question" contest so she can ask if he prefers blueberries or strawberries.

 

[Ring 6]

vi. Punish rampant nepotism in the coaching ranks which unfairly promotes underqualified candidates at the expense of minority hiring

No

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

The Rooney Rule isn't going to help. If you want more minority coaches, it's going to take more owners hiring them without being forced to interview minority candidates. We see more black QBs today in the league because QBs like Doug Williams and Russell Wilson win a super bowl. Now see more teams drafting black QBs in the first round like Mahomes, Jackson, Murray, Winston, etc. Trust me, it's slow, but the damn is going to eventually break on the coaching front as well. The Rooney rule isn't the answer though.

You want more minority coaches and people in power you need more minority ownership. Most owners are clueless when it comes to who's really qualified or up and coming. Especially in the college ranks. I'm sure they can throw out a few names but they're not in tune with that stuff. They depend on others to do the real thinking in that regard. That said I highly doubt a black guy who understands how tough it is to make it in this industry is going to hire retreads like Dave Gentleman and Jeff Fisher. They'd be a lot more inclined to give someone new a fresh shot imo.

People don't want to hear or believe this but there's 3 reasons why most people get hired in this field. Generally speaking, for the most part.

They know someone.
Are related to someone.
They were part of a successful staff and cashing in when it's hot.

Considering most black guys aren't related to whites that goes out the window. It's obviously tough to get on a staff so there's that.

The idea that owners should and will hire the "best person" qualified is great in theory but naive to say the least. You're depending on the Irsay, Snyder and Ford's of the world to do the right thing.

Here's an example of how that works out. Washington had Mcvay, Shanahan and LaFleur on the same coaching staff and picked Jay Gruden. Lions fired one of the only coaches to post a winning season in favor of Matty P.

Like you said it's a slow process. It shouldn't be this hard but it is what it is I guess.

 

[Steve102]

He will find a way to slither out of answering questions.

Just like he did with Deflategate & the non call against the Saints.

He's going to prop up some photogenic middle schooler to lob him slow pitch softball questions that allow him to control the narrative. He sucks. 100% won't be watching him and his BS he shovels.

 

[NFL Mystique]

You want more minority coaches and people in power you need more minority ownership. Most owners are clueless when it comes to who's really qualified or up and coming. Especially in the college ranks. I'm sure they can throw out a few names but they're not in tune with that stuff. They depend on others to do the real thinking in that regard. That said I highly doubt a black guy who understands how tough it is to make it in this industry is going to hire retreads like Dave Gentleman and Jeff Fisher. They'd be a lot more inclined to give someone new a fresh shot imo.

People don't want to hear or believe this but there's 3 reasons why most people get hired in this field. Generally speaking, for the most part.

They know someone.
Are related to someone.
They were part of a successful staff and cashing in when it's hot.

Considering most black guys aren't related to whites that goes out the window. It's obviously tough to get on a staff so there's that.

The idea that owners should and will hire the "best person" qualified is great in theory but naive to say the least. You're depending on the Irsay, Snyder and Ford's of the world to do the right thing.

Here's an example of how that works out. Washington had Mcvay, Shanahan and LaFleur on the same coaching staff and picked Jay Gruden. Lions fired one of the only coaches to post a winning season in favor of Matty P.

Like you said it's a slow process. It shouldn't be this hard but it is what it is I guess.

They Could have McVay as HC right now with Herbert as the starting QB. Ouch.

Albeit Young was the concensus number 2 in the draft. Herbert had alot of question marks.

 

[borg]

Not the best week to be making that argument, with both head coaches preparing for the Super Bowl having gotten into the NFL via blatant nepotism.

I guess it was bound to happen given the rampant nature of nepotism hiring throughout the league.
I'm sure those passed over and denied such opportunities have a greater appreciation for the value of nepotism now that coaches' kids are having success.

I wonder if there is a single black NFL coach, black assistant coach, black executive, etc who was hired by an NFL organization thanks in large part to nepotism. The White vs Black tally has to be something like 125-2