Tom Brady Retires (Update: Shouts out to Pats players, coaches on social media)

[SHOWTIME15]

Its just sad that Patsfans has become a lesser version of itself with posts like these. Most people here are good but a loud minority has really ruined it

Sorry, Brady clearly screwed up here. No need to defend him for EVERYTHING.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Wonder if there is any subtle messaging in the fact that he's on a duck boat with Pats logo that has no passengers with him

This is all really ****ing wierd

No, he's heading off into the sunset with his lombardis...

 

[Guts]

What about the teammates Brady played with on the Patriots for 20 years and 6 super bowls? Even if you say it's okay not to thank the fans, Kraft or bill.

Do they deserve to be treated as an afterthought?

He's thanking a lot of them in his IG story. Again this is Belichicks guy Lombardi and his take on the situation

 

[Lagaffe_07]

What about the teammates Brady played with on the Patriots for 20 years and 6 super bowls? Even if you say it's okay not to thank the fans, Kraft or bill.

Do they deserve to be treated as an afterthought?

Grow up. His teammate are not an afterthought. He literally did a 10 part documentary on his time in NE where he is grateful about everyone. I can’t count how many times he thanked his teammates over the years.

 

[amfootball]

Let me introduce you to Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, and Brett Favre.

Why is it so difficult for people to understand that it was good for both to move on?

None of them are the goat. Please.

 

[yukon cornelius]

 

[JarOfMayo51]

That has nothing to do with my post but since you want to talk about Tom's ending here it would also be true Tom was burnt out from the Patriot Way and needed something different in his professional career. BB knew this and there was nothing that could be done.

Yea it was just time for a split.. it was sad when it happened, but its understandable to see how it was just time for them to part ways

Brady would likely not have got the 7th ring if he stayed here during a rebuild. We had to endure 1 year of Cam and an inept offense, but then we got Mac Jones who got us to the playoffs as a rookie and looks to have a promising future

It went about as well as it could have gone, when you consider that Tom Sr stated he thought it was going to end very ugly

 

[farn]

You can't understand how fans establish an emotional attachment to a legend they cheered on for nearly a quarter of a century?

Correct. I can’t. I also can’t understand an emotional attachment to an actor or a singer. I don’t form emotional attachments to strangers. So I am in the minority, but still perplexed.

Love me some BB as a coach. But if he dies tomorrow the effect on the team is what bothers me as I don’t “care for him” and I we’re not friends.

 

[amfootball]

Correct. I can’t. I also can’t understand an emotional attachment to an actor or a singer. I don’t form emotional attachments to strangers. So I am in the minority, but still perplexed.

Love me some BB as a coach. But if he dies tomorrow the effect on the team is what bothers me as I don’t “care for him” and I we’re not friends.

You do realize how ridiculous this sounds when you spend a good majority of your time on a football forum that is literally occupied by 1% of the Fanbase. That is pretty much textbook definition of an emotional attachment.

 

[lancerman]

Let me introduce you to Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, and Brett Favre.

Why is it so difficult for people to understand that it was good for both to move on?

Devil’s advocate.

Peyton Manning was damaged goods and the greatest QB prospect since him was there for the taking to set them up for the future.

Brett Farve had a stud in Aaron Rodgers behind him. Farve had been playing games forever with whether he would retire. He wasn’t committed. Finally they said, “no we have this really talented guy who wants to play the next 10 years, we aren’t losing him because you aren’t sure”

Montana was badly injured for two seasons and Steve Young was winning MVP’s. It was a no brainer. They had an elite guy right there.

….The Patriots let Brady walk for….. Stidham… so they could desperately sign Cam Newton who was washed…. Hoyer…. Oh wait they got rid of him so they could hope and pray someone like Mac fell to them to see if someday he could be an elite QB. There was no other apparent guy. Those teams had a reasonable future mapped out and their QB’s were compromised in some way. Brady didn’t have Manning or Montana’s devastating injuries, and he wasn’t jerking his team around with lack of commitment to playing like Farve. He was an all time great who could still play that wanted to be here.

The team decided their system was too important to give the top player in the leagues history a multi year contract because they were too afraid that they would be one year too late if he declined mid contract and they’d have to grit their teeth for a season.

If they had some other guy, okay Tom Brady sorry but the future is now. They didn’t. They just didn’t want to take the potential downside of being Tom Brady’s endgame plan. The Bucs assumed that risk. Hence, they got to be the team he retired from and who got the lionshare of the celebration.

The sad thing is 10 years from now with perspective I think most people will realize that sacrificing one even two rough years would have been nothing in comparison to how special it would be for the greatest NFL player ever to retire as a Patriot. That moment was taken from us for no real reason besides the system was too important to see the big picture.

 

[Nehalem]

Devil’s advocate.

Peyton Manning was damaged goods and the greatest QB prospect since him was there for the taking to set them up for the future.

Brett Farve had a stud in Aaron Rodgers behind him. Farve had been playing games forever with whether he would retire. He wasn’t committed. Finally they said, “no we have this really talented guy who wants to play the next 10 years, we aren’t losing him because you aren’t sure”

Montana was badly injured for two seasons and Steve Young was winning MVP’s. It was a no brainer. They had an elite guy right there.

….The Patriots let Brady walk for….. Stidham… so they could desperately sign Cam Newton who was washed…. Hoyer…. Oh wait they got rid of him so they could hope and pray someone like Mac fell to them to see if someday he could be an elite QB. There was no other apparent guy. Those teams had a reasonable future mapped out and their QB’s were compromised in some way. Brady didn’t have Manning or Montana’s devastating injuries, and he wasn’t jerking his team around with lack of commitment to playing like Farve. He was an all time great who could still play that wanted to be here.

The team decided their system was too important to give the top player in the leagues history a multi year contract because they were too afraid that they would be one year too late if he declined mid contract and they’d have to grit their teeth for a season.

If they had some other guy, okay Tom Brady sorry but the future is now. They didn’t. They just didn’t want to take the potential downside of being Tom Brady’s endgame plan. The Bucs assumed that risk. Hence, they got to be the team he retired from and who got the lionshare of the celebration.

The sad thing is 10 years from now with perspective I think most people will realize that sacrificing one even two rough years would have been nothing in comparison to how special it would be for the greatest NFL player ever to retire as a Patriot. That moment was taken from us for no real reason besides the system was too important to see the big picture.

Actually if you look at the 2020 offseason moves I think it is pretty clear that BB thought Stidham was an NFL calibre QB.

You don't make the moves they made, specifically looking at franchising Thuney, unless you think the Pats were going to be able to compete at least for a playoff spot.

And at this point I think Brady didn't really want to be back with the Patriots in 2020 if he was going to have to endure a 2019-esque receiving core again. He was like I am 43 years old I don't want to deal with this crap anymore.

Honestly, if you look at even the 2021 season, and his decision to retire, I think he was tired of dealing with anyone other than elite receivers.

Fair question: Did drafting N'Keal Harry ruin Tom's love of football?

 

[tom444]

He paid you back in full (and then some) with his play on the field.

 

[Brewskies]

Maybe I do, but its still much better than the bedpan you sleep with.

You should be happy, you got to see his whole career before you kick the bucket - which should be any day now.

Bob Kraft, do you know who he is? Well he is furious that Brady insulted the Patriots. It is not just me, Hugger

 

[Brewskies]

Lol

Some of you are pathetic

Bob Kraft is furious, I don't blame him, Brady is a POS.

 

[Brewskies]

Wait are those for sale somewhere!?

Not anymore in NE. Kraft bought them and had a big fire with them.

 

[Rob0729]

Devil’s advocate.

Peyton Manning was damaged goods and the greatest QB prospect since him was there for the taking to set them up for the future.

Brett Farve had a stud in Aaron Rodgers behind him. Farve had been playing games forever with whether he would retire. He wasn’t committed. Finally they said, “no we have this really talented guy who wants to play the next 10 years, we aren’t losing him because you aren’t sure”

Montana was badly injured for two seasons and Steve Young was winning MVP’s. It was a no brainer. They had an elite guy right there.

….The Patriots let Brady walk for….. Stidham… so they could desperately sign Cam Newton who was washed…. Hoyer…. Oh wait they got rid of him so they could hope and pray someone like Mac fell to them to see if someday he could be an elite QB. There was no other apparent guy. Those teams had a reasonable future mapped out and their QB’s were compromised in some way. Brady didn’t have Manning or Montana’s devastating injuries, and he wasn’t jerking his team around with lack of commitment to playing like Farve. He was an all time great who could still play that wanted to be here.

The team decided their system was too important to give the top player in the leagues history a multi year contract because they were too afraid that they would be one year too late if he declined mid contract and they’d have to grit their teeth for a season.

If they had some other guy, okay Tom Brady sorry but the future is now. They didn’t. They just didn’t want to take the potential downside of being Tom Brady’s endgame plan. The Bucs assumed that risk. Hence, they got to be the team he retired from and who got the lionshare of the celebration.

The sad thing is 10 years from now with perspective I think most people will realize that sacrificing one even two rough years would have been nothing in comparison to how special it would be for the greatest NFL player ever to retire as a Patriot. That moment was taken from us for no real reason besides the system was too important to see the big picture.

In fairness to the Patriots, Brady looked in significant decline in 2019. It was one of the worst years of his career, if not the worst. He was 42 years old at the time. Teams didn't fall over themselves to get him when he was a free agent. In fact, many of Brady's top choices (San Fran and Chicago) didn't even seem interested. Many people in the league and media, not just the Rob Parkers of the world, thought the end was near.

Not saying this to crap on Brady. I am just stating this because that was the reality of the situation. It ended being Brady was just disinterested and the talent around him sucked, but at the time few people believed that. And many of the people who did were biased and would have believed it even if Brady was actually in decline.

The Patriots are significantly to blame for the divorce, but so is Brady. I would put more of it on the Patriots, but Brady isn't an innocent victim here.

Ultimately, it probably worked out best for both sides assuming Mac Jones turns into a franchise QB. Brady got his last ring and the Pats got their QB of the future. Brady wouldn't have gotten a ring if he stayed with New England and the Pats wouldn't have gotten Mac Jones and no matter how good Jones becomes, probably wouldn't have anyone on the roster now better than him nor be able to get a potential franchise QB in this year's draft.

I appreciate everything that Brady has done for this team. Hence why I am not beating up on him on his unforced error from yesterday. But it might have been best for both sides (Brady in the short run and the Pats in the long run) that they had the divorce when they did. I am a laundry guy who always figured it would end badly between the Patriots and Brady. So nothing that happened in the winter and spring of 2020 really affected me. I wished Brady luck and rooted for the next guy in his uniform just like I did with Mike Vrabel and Richard Seymour who also both had messy divorces and I loved as players.

 

[Kontradiction]

Why? Because everybody has their opinion. Its sports. What I see is the Brady cult twisting themselves into a knot, convincing themselves that not acknowledging people and a place you spent 20 years isn't at least strange.

If you owe him nothing, and he owes you nothing, then why do you care or consider it strange? One of two reasons -

1) You feel he owes you something.

2) You actually care.

But we know it’s not number two because you then said…

no crying from me. its just a bad look for your god.

I see a lot of crying. If you didn’t care, you wouldn’t comment. As for the last sentence, I really don’t think you want to exchange insults with me. I’ll chalk it up to you being snowed in and let that one slide.

 

[Kontradiction]

Sorry, Brady clearly screwed up here. No need to defend him for EVERYTHING.

That’s weird. That’s not what you said after the Bucs won the Super Bowl last year. You actually said BB was the one who screwed up. Brady can’t sign himself long-term. That’s up to the GM. The GM gave him one year deals.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Bob Kraft is furious, I don't blame him, Brady is a POS.

Source?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

That’s weird. That’s not what you said after the Bucs won the Super Bowl last year. You actually said BB was the one who screwed up. Brady can’t sign himself long-term. That’s up to the GM. The GM gave him one year deals.

First of all, my comment had to do with Brady's retirement post, not about how Bill handled things a few years ago. I was merely saying that Brady sending a message to the Patriots organization that he was not happy with the team by leaving them out of the post was not the proper way to go. The Patriots fans were collateral damage in all of this and it didn't have to be that way. It made NE look like Brady hated being here and that can't be true since he was the one signing contract after contract to stay here. Maybe he was upset the last few years but certainly the overwhelming amount of time he spent here he was happy.

Second, yes, I made a knee-jerk reaction to last year's SB. After thinking about it for months, I have come to the conclusion that Brady needed a bunch of weapons to be successful his last couple years. His 2018-2019 numbers here in NE were not great. Godwin, Evans, Gronk, Brown, and Fournette elevated him. Bill didn't have anything to offer him in terms of talent (his own fault).