Game Day Thread Official Post Game Thread- Bills beat the Pats

[Hammer of Thor]

Yep, They have 30M in cap Space next year with basically all defense to rebuild. Bill will not invest 15-20M in a WR1. The probability that nothing change or very little on offense is very high. Next year could be a tough year.

Overthecap.com projects them at 21.5m in cap space and that’s before taking into account that McCourty has a voidable deal like Brady did. If he’s not resigned prior to free agency, dead cap accelerates and we lose an additional $4.3m in cap space - down to $17.2m.

Expect a traditional BB free agency — dumpster diving after other teams’ released players. Hopefully they can reel in Trey Flowers when the Lions dump him, I really think that can solve the problem of the lineman opposite Judon.

 

[VrabelJr]

Overthecap.com projects them at 21.5m in cap space and that’s before taking into account that McCourty has a voidable deal like Brady did. If he’s not resigned prior to free agency, dead cap accelerates and we lose an additional $4.3m in cap space - down to $17.2m.

Expect a traditional BB free agency — dumpster diving after other teams’ released players. Hopefully they can reel in Trey Flowers when the Lions dump him, I really think that can solve the problem of the lineman opposite Judon.

Everyone not named Barmore and Judon on the front 7 can head for the exits. And Judon needs to drastically improve against the run.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Everyone not named Barmore and Judon on the front 7 can head for the exits. And Judon needs to drastically improve against the run.

That’s a little extreme, a few guys can do well if they’re in more limited roles (Bentley and Wise). But I definitely agree a talent upgrade is really needed, and that will help those guys perform better too with the limited roles

Did a quick look, they can open up $10.1m in cap space immediately by dumping Agholor, Henry Anderson, and Guy.

 

[Ross12]

After a couple of days to post mortum, I’d love to have a thread on the 2022 offseason and, knowing what we’ve learned about him over the years, what we would do to retool the roster using his parameters. I’ve been thinking about this for a while now and I agree with your sentiments on JC - Bill is not going to tie up virtually all the team’s cap space on JC, and he doesn’t think he’s good enough to pay top dollar to either. I think he walks, Bill signs a couple veteran retread CBs, and spends his 1st round pick on a CB (McCreary or Gardner?).

Yeah, a CB in the first makes a lot of sense to me too. Hopefully he’s your top guy, try to get a veteran #2 and then Jon Jones is back as the #3 with Bryant and Wade rounding things out. Move Mills to FS to backfill McCourty. At that point the DBs are probably “fine” and you haven’t spent much at all on the position from a cap standpoint - so use much of that money on the front 7. I can see the framework of a plan. I doubt the defense would become great in a season but they’d be younger and hopefully more consistent.

 

[Deus Irae]

In talking about the WRs earlier, I neglected to add that this team needs a quick-open slotWR, so I'll put that here.

 

[Ross12]

That’s a little extreme, a few guys can do well if they’re in more limited roles (Bentley and Wise). But I definitely agree a talent upgrade is really needed, and that will help those guys perform better too with the limited roles

Did a quick look, they can open up $10.1m in cap space immediately by dumping Agholor, Henry Anderson, and Guy.

I think they’ll hold on to Agholor initially but explore their options for a replacement. If such an option presents itself they’ll recoup some of the cost by cutting or trading Agholor. If nothing worthwhile comes up they’ll just keep him, maybe rework his deal a little.

 

[Deus Irae]

Bedard just basically echoed my posts with regards to defensive needs.


I may have to cut him a check.

 

[PaulNEPats]

JC is going to eat up a lot of cap space assuming they franchise him.

 

[lancerman]

Here's the deal, and it isn't complicated, we are still rebuilding and we were kinda just waiting around for a loss like this. The Colts loss was a preview of this. We have Mac, we have good role players and young guys in the trenches, we still haven't addressed the fact that some of our centerpieces like Hightower, McCourty and Collins are old as hell and while the can be make all the right decisions, they can't out execute the more athetic guys in the league.

We have a good run game, we have decent TE's, and good pieces everywhere but we are still rebuilding.

Also get Patricia the hell away from this team. The guy is trash. He calls the most passive defensive plays ever. It worked 7 years ago when we had an embarassment of riches on defense. Now that we don't have a defense loaded to the gills, it's showing it's warts when we let guys catch uncontested balls and then can't close on them fast enough. The dude seriously sucks and got propped up from an era when all Highower, Jones, Collins, McCourty, Chung, and Butler were in their prime. The defense was better with Flores, it was better when it was just Bill, and even the Steve and Mayo defense last year was better than when the Patricia was involved.

Also I'm sick of it, get receivers. It's 2021, the league is a passing league. You need to be able to win passing

 

[Ross12]

In talking about the WRs earlier, I neglected to add that this team needs a quick-open slotWR, so I'll put that here.

I agree whole heartedly. Meyers tries to be that guy but isn’t that guy. I love Meyers, but it’s not a perfect fit for him. If they can fill that need adequately and Meyers transitions to more of a #3 WR and Bourne #2, perhaps that lets the offense function a bit better. Still, an upgrade to Agholor would be nice.

 

[Tunescribe]

Josh Allen played at a ridiculous level. We can sit around all offseason and dissect the game and overreact about the defense, but Allen dominated out there and was making filthy throws, often into tight coverage.

Unless you have a an outlier, historic defense, usually a great QB will be able to have his way with you.

It's not "overreacting" about the defense when one of the team's starting corners is out (Covid list), two DBs are elevated from the practice squad for a freaking playoff game and eight others are on the injury report as limited all week. They logged ONE hit on Allen all night and ONE pass defended. If you want to credit Allen for everything fine, he certainly was "on" tonight. But I'd wager quite a few other QBs would look all-world vs. that undermanned/dispirited bunch.

 

[Schmo]

For anyone wondering. The bildo strikes back.

Went to the liquor store before the game to buy some beer. At the checkout, I grabbed a whiskey shooter and thought, this is for Mac's first postseason TD.

Turns out it was banana flavor and as I was drinking it I saw that thing laying in the endzone, Bourne pointing to it.

 

[Schmo]

Bedard just basically echoed my posts with regards to defensive needs.


I may have to cut him a check.

We already know who you are.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

That’s a little extreme, a few guys can do well if they’re in more limited roles (Bentley and Wise). But I definitely agree a talent upgrade is really needed, and that will help those guys perform better too with the limited roles

Did a quick look, they can open up $10.1m in cap space immediately by dumping Agholor, Henry Anderson, and Guy.

Agholor and Henry aren’t realistic cuts.

Agholor is owed $14M, so you have to pay him rather than just eating $10M for nothing.

Henry is actually a negative net cap hit if cut in 2022. He costs $15M, but cutting him is $19M.

They can free up 2.5M with Guy and 2.5M with Anderson.

They could, with Henry, Smith, or Judon, restructure by pushing money into 2023 and converting roster into signing bonus, but it would mean there’s no getting out of these contracts the next year and financially committing for a longer term…the team trades off its ability to move on sooner. So restructuring is fine provided you’re confident the player will be there next year. For a guy like Smith, they’re probably better off just ripping the band aid off, taking the hit, and moving on from him after 2022.

 

[lancerman]

Agholor and Henry aren’t realistic cuts.

Agholor is owed $14M, so you have to pay him rather than just eating $10M for nothing.

Henry is actually a negative net cap hit if cut in 2022. He costs $15M, but cutting him is $19M.

They can free up 2.5M with Guy and 2.5M with Anderson.

They could, with Henry, Smith, or Judon, restructure by pushing money into 2023 and converting roster into signing bonus, but it would mean there’s no getting out of these contracts the next year and financially committing for a longer term…the team trades off its ability to move on sooner. So restructuring is fine provided you’re confident the player will be there next year. For a guy like Smith, they’re probably better off just ripping the band aid off, taking the hit, and moving on from him after 2022.

Also Henry is our best pass catcher. It would be dumb to dump him. Smith fine, he's been a dissapointment.

 

[JPsPats]

The offense doesn’t have any player that an opposing team has to “game plan” for. No true #1 WR or dominant TE (Henry is decent). Mac Jones was a rookie and not feared by anyone. Harris is a good RB but not much of a dual threat.

The defense is old and slow, mixed in with some good players. Not a truly dominant “unit”.

The horrible drafts from the last few years (2021 looks to be good however) are finally catching up as core players like Hightower and McCourty are aging.

There’s a lot of work to be done. The fact they won 10 games and made the playoffs was a slight surprise, but that only means something if they improve. Mac Jones had a good rookie season but will obviously need to improve a lot and show he’s a franchise caliber QB.

 

[Reubski23]

Agholor and Henry aren’t realistic cuts.

Agholor is owed $14M, so you have to pay him rather than just eating $10M for nothing.

Henry is actually a negative net cap hit if cut in 2022. He costs $15M, but cutting him is $19M.

They can free up 2.5M with Guy and 2.5M with Anderson.

They could, with Henry, Smith, or Judon, restructure by pushing money into 2023 and converting roster into signing bonus, but it would mean there’s no getting out of these contracts the next year and financially committing for a longer term…the team trades off its ability to move on sooner. So restructuring is fine provided you’re confident the player will be there next year. For a guy like Smith, they’re probably better off just ripping the band aid off, taking the hit, and moving on from him after 2022.

 

[Deus Irae]

Agholor and Henry aren’t realistic cuts.

Agholor is owed $14M, so you have to pay him rather than just eating $10M for nothing.

Henry is actually a negative net cap hit if cut in 2022. He costs $15M, but cutting him is $19M.

They can free up 2.5M with Guy and 2.5M with Anderson.

They could, with Henry, Smith, or Judon, restructure by pushing money into 2023 and converting roster into signing bonus, but it would mean there’s no getting out of these contracts the next year and financially committing for a longer term…the team trades off its ability to move on sooner. So restructuring is fine provided you’re confident the player will be there next year. For a guy like Smith, they’re probably better off just ripping the band aid off, taking the hit, and moving on from him after 2022.

I don't think Agholor is an unrealistic cut. I do think he's an unlikely cut.

 

[Malua]

Agholor and Henry aren’t realistic cuts.

Agholor is owed $14M, so you have to pay him rather than just eating $10M for nothing.

Henry is actually a negative net cap hit if cut in 2022. He costs $15M, but cutting him is $19M.

They can free up 2.5M with Guy and 2.5M with Anderson.

They could, with Henry, Smith, or Judon, restructure by pushing money into 2023 and converting roster into signing bonus, but it would mean there’s no getting out of these contracts the next year and financially committing for a longer term…the team trades off its ability to move on sooner. So restructuring is fine provided you’re confident the player will be there next year. For a guy like Smith, they’re probably better off just ripping the band aid off, taking the hit, and moving on from him after 2022.

Also Henry is our best pass catcher. It would be dumb to dump him. Smith fine, he's been a dissapointment.

You guy realize that Henry Anderson is one person, our injured DT, not TE Hunter?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I don't think Agholor is an unrealistic cut. I do think he's an unlikely cut.

He would really have to suck to get cut, with the net savings only $4M. He would have be deemed as a less than a $4M value for it to make financial sense.