After 12 games with Mac: which QBs would you take right now over him?

[RIpats88]

What makes the "OMG! How DARE you not pick Jones" position even more silly than it might normally been (and that would be plenty silly on its own) is that what's happening is what we all were told would happen. "Mac Jones is the most NFL-ready QB in the draft" was the mantra being repeated over and over and over, leading up to the draft.

Drew Brees said so, for example

Here's Steve Sarkisian saying it too, and you can find plenty of others easily enough

The question about Jones is not, and was not, his readiness compared to the other rookie QBs in year one. The question about Jones was, and continues to be, where his development tops out.

True but I don't think people expected him to be this good this soon.

Even Tom Curran has been surprised.

 

[bormio]

Why wasn’t Lawrence NFL ready? He played more in college than Jones. It wasn’t the Bama system. Hurts and Tua weren’t NFL ready. Jones was NFL ready because he makes decisions quickly and gets rid of the ball accurately. Skills that predict continued success. Why trade him for someone who may never has those same skills.

 

[patsfan13]

I made a post in this thread that read





You actually disagreed with that.

The question is whether Mahones would execute this scheme the way these coach’s want. Not sure he could especially with these personnel.

 

[Biffins]

This is the Bradyite response to this question. Brady is going to retire sooner rather than later and the Bradyites would rather have Brady for another 1-2 years than Mac for 15 years. We know @sb1 would rather have Brady or Lawrence over Mac lol.

I love me some Brady, but I am very happy to have Mac. I consider us very lucky to have landed a guy like Mac. I absolutely would NOT rather have Brady for 1-2 years than Mac for 15. But it was impossible to predict that we'd get a guy like Mac when we let Brady go. The fact that we got lucky doesn't justify the original decision.

Either way, I am super happy where we ended up. So doesn't matter.

 

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

I made a post in this thread that read





You actually disagreed with that.

Hmmm? Oh, sorry I was busy not caring what you think.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

The question is whether Mahones would execute this scheme the way these coach’s want. Not sure he could especially with these personnel.

He wouldn’t. You need to stand in the pocket, trust the blocking, and see the entire field. This isn’t an offense that fits Mahomes, scrambling around, rolling out, looking deep all the time. Mahomes does execute as a pocket passer at times but it’s becoming clearer that he’s dependent on the big strike and looks mortal chipping away with little gains.

 

[Biffins]

Last season probably not although they probably do make the playoffs at least. This year without a doubt they'd win #7. We know the Bucs wouldn't be in the way. The talent on both sides of the ball is much better in just about every way compared to last year.

Any GM who wouldn't trade Mac for Brady right now straight up no strings attached should be immediately relieved of their duties as GM.

Bucs QB cap hit this year is only $9m more than the Pats, at $13.4m vs pats $4.5m. /yawn. If the question was this year alone, of course it's much better to have Brady. Just replace Jonnu Smith with Brady. lol.

Brady is #15 in QB salary at $25m .... middle of the pack. See link below. With most starting QBs below him on rookie contracts. He's cheap as chips. Come on guys!! Be sensible. Mac Jones will cost $35-40m per year to extend in a few years. Brady is damn cheap. And will win NFL MVP this year.

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Of course for the long-term future of the franchise we're lucky we have Mac.

 

[bormio]

Guess we will just have to have Mac vs Tom, Act 2 to settle this

 

[Biffins]

Guess we will just have to have Mac vs Tom, Act 2 to settle this

I'd rather not face Tom again,.

 

[patsfan13]

He wouldn’t. You need to stand in the pocket, trust the blocking, and see the entire field. This isn’t an offense that fits Mahomes, scrambling around, rolling out, looking deep all the time. Mahomes does execute as a pocket passer at times but it’s becoming clearer that he’s dependent on the big strike and looks mortal chipping away with little gains.

Correct! Same with Jackson and to an extent Rogers. Saw a segment with Greg Cosell a few years back about Rogers and Brady. He showed. Play where Rogers missed the read for an easy Red Zone TD, he then scrambled and made a ‘hero’ throw for the TD.

BB wants the player who make the correct read and executes the play as designed.

 

[bormio]

I'd rather not face Tom again,.

Since we would be in the SB, I would quickly embrace it

 

[BUSTAMOVE]

Johnny Unitas
Otto Graham
Bart Starr
Sammy Baugh
Sid Luckman

 

[Deus Irae]

Hmmm? Oh, sorry I was busy not caring what you think.

You cared enough to click the disagree icon.

 

[woolster22]

I might do it for 3:
Herbert
Burrows
Lawrence

Why not the Watsons/mahomes/allens? They're mobile. They're too reliant on their legs to escape/extend. Mobile qb's don't last. I don't see Allen lasting another full season without missing major time. I don't see Mahomes holding up very well, and his massive contract won't help KC sure up the OL to prove me wrong.

Of all the things mentioned through a little over half this thread, I haven't seen anyone mention Mac's command of the hurry up. He is well beyond his years in this respect.

His football IQ doesn't appear to be bested by anyone, when handicapped for experience. IE, given health and time in the league, I would expect Mac's processing/etc to be in the realm of anyone you care to name.

Herbert is my best young qb around. He just checks all the prototypical boxes. He's had some success, which you can't say of Lawrence, who I admittedly haven't watched very much of. The little of Burrows I've seen left me impressed. Too much gunslinger, not enough read and dissect. This is where Mac (granted have watched him much more, and paid closer attention) bests both of them. It'd be tough to give Mac up. There isn't much limiting his development. And yes, the same can be said for any of the young qbs in the discussion.

 

[Biffins]

I might do it for 3:
Herbert
Burrows
Lawrence

Why not the Watsons/mahomes/allens? They're mobile. They're too reliant on their legs to escape/extend. Mobile qb's don't last. I don't see Allen lasting another full season without missing major time. I don't see Mahomes holding up very well, and his massive contract won't help KC sure up the OL to prove me wrong.

Of all the things mentioned through a little over half this thread, I haven't seen anyone mention Mac's command of the hurry up. He is well beyond his years in this respect.

His football IQ doesn't appear to be bested by anyone, when handicapped for experience. IE, given health and time in the league, I would expect Mac's processing/etc to be in the realm of anyone you care to name.

Herbert is my best young qb around. He just checks all the prototypical boxes. He's had some success, which you can't say of Lawrence, who I admittedly haven't watched very much of. The little of Burrows I've seen left me impressed. Too much gunslinger, not enough read and dissect. This is where Mac (granted have watched him much more, and paid closer attention) bests both of them. It'd be tough to give Mac up. There isn't much limiting his development. And yes, the same can be said for any of the young qbs in the discussion.

Really?! You'd rather not have Mahomes over Mac? Really?! Come on, man. Mahomes has won NFL MVP, won a Superbowl, been to another, is a bonafide star, arguably best player in the game right now, and is still young and will be around for 15 more years.

Mac Jones has had 6 good games against ok-ish teams. Come on!

 

[mike_usagisan]

The question about Jones is not, and was not, his readiness compared to the other rookie QBs in year one. The question about Jones was, and continues to be, where his development tops out.

Right. This is the “high floor/low ceiling” thing. The question I’ve never been able to understand is what “low ceiling” means? Just in terms of comparables, Mac seems to have the tools of a 2001 Brady or a Pennington or a Manning.

 

[fair catch fryar]

This thread is a perfect example of how phucking spoiled we've become. I just wake up on Sunday mornings thanking God I'm not a Jets fan.

 

[Deus Irae]

Right. This is the “high floor/low ceiling” thing. The question I’ve never been able to understand is what “low ceiling” means? Just in terms of comparables, Mac seems to have the tools of a 2001 Brady or a Pennington or a Manning.

The ceiling argument is especially bizarre because the best QB on the planet, and the best to ever play the game, is a 40+ year old pocket passer who wasn't drafted until the 6th round, and 8 of the last 10 Super Bowls have been won by pocket passing QBs.

 

[mike_usagisan]

The ceiling argument is especially bizarre because the best QB on the planet, and the best to ever play the game, is a 40+ year old pocket passer who wasn't drafted until the 6th round, and 8 of the last 10 Super Bowls have been won by pocket passing QBs.

Exactly. I have no idea how Mac is going to turn out but he has all the tools to turn into a SB winner or a perfectly fine system QB. That’s far better than where the Pats were last year.

 

[TomPatriot]

This thread is a perfect example of how phucking spoiled we've become. I just wake up on Sunday mornings thanking God I'm not a Jets fan.

If you were a Jets fan you’d do the only honorable thing. Kill yourself? No, become a Patriots fan.