OT: Portnoy In Trouble?

[One-If-By-Sea]

Kink and consent are two independent ideas.

One can be into kinks without consenting to sex, and one can consent to sex without consenting to particular kinks.

It's not some massive melting pot of grey area like you make it out to be; consent should always be clearly established and if someone indicates "stop", or anything near "stop", the sex should end and a communication should happen, regardless of what the sex itself entailed.

The actual specifics of the sex aside (which are obviously relevant), why is a 44 year old individual encountering teenage girls for sex, repeatedly? Short of getting lucky at bars all the time (which I guess is technically possible), it seems likely to be solicited.

************. What world do you live in? OH BOY, we have a winner for "the most likely to have lived under a rock for the last 20 years". Your question is, "What guy, who runs a multi-million dollar social media website, gets solicited by young women on Instagram?" Let me answer that one for you - EVERY GUY. Are you on the Interwebs? Are you familiar with InstaFace? You can call a 19 year old a "teenage girl" which is technically correct, but she is also a young woman and a consulting adult.

Everyone knows that "No means no". Everyone knows that "Stop means stop". That is why there are safe words in kink. Are you familiar with safe words? Are you familiar with rough sex and kink?

 

[The Brandon Five]

Everyone knows the rules...even Dave. I'll wait and see what comes out in the investigation but this doesn't look good, and if true I hope he chokes on a bag of donks.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Have to say, I’m a little surprised at the takes here.

Guys done a **** load of charitable work over the years, most recently raised like $50 million for hundreds of local businesses hit by Covid. He’s been the target of all kinds of hit pieces for years from the usual suspects.

Now there’s this article, and it’s like you guys have never heard of a hit piece, or even understand the possibility of things been spun a certain way. It’s kind of bizarre. Seeing comments about how he’s divorced, like that means anything. What the hell

No…it’s that we saw the dog leash video came out, and everyone basically said, “whatever, but I’d be careful when it comes to consent” and now there’s an issue of consent. Why wouldn’t a reasonable person say they’re struggling with giving him the benefit of the doubt when that concern was obvious?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

************. What world do you live in? OH BOY, we have a winner for "the most likely to have lived under a rock for the last 20 years". Your question is, "What guy, who runs a multi-million dollar social media website, gets solicited by young women on Instagram?" Let me answer that one for you - EVERY GUY. Are you on the Interwebs? Are you familiar with InstaFace? You can call a 19 year old a "teenage girl" which is technically correct, but she is also a young woman and a consulting adult.

Everyone knows that "No means no". Everyone knows that "Stop means stop". That is why there are safe words in kink. Are you familiar with safe words? Are you familiar with rough sex and kink?

Did he give her a safe word? Did she claim she continually tried to get away from him but couldn’t? Did you even read the article?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Not for nothing...and not defending him. But many industries made many millionaires exploiting young women. Its world wide pastime. Obviously the porn industry, modeling, Hollywood etc... and most of the women did so willingly and some of them then either truly regret their youthful decisions (understandably so) and then some of them get rich and then decide to grandstand and play the victim from their Beverly Hills mansion because its en-vogue, yet for decades they stood idly by in silence while other girls were exploited, sexually assaulted or at a minimum took advantage of and its not until either they are no longer (physically?) relevant or its now seemingly cool to be a victim so they jump on the bandwagon to try and advance their career.

My point here is not to defend him as stated above nor is it to bash the true victims of these industries/rich and famous. My point is this is a complicated topic, that has truly innocent/naive victims that were assaulted by men in powerful positions. And then there are the calculating gold digging "victims" that knew exactly what they were doing and were perfectly ok with it, who later come out to align with and pose as a victim. And those women are just as bad as the scumbag men involved in these scenarios. The problem is its nearly impossible to differentiate the two types of women.

My advice to my son when he left to go off to college in 2016: "If/When you find yourself in a position where you're going to have sex. Pull out your phone and start your voice recorder and ask here to state her name, date and that she is entering into a consensual sexual encounter." I know its a mood killer, but if she is really into you she will agree. If she walks out so be it, jerking off is better than a sexual assault accusation. And if you have sex and then she regrets it or gets shamed etc.. and it suddenly becomes an accusation...again jerking off is better than sitting in jail falsely accused. Sadly the world is crazy and there are plenty of examples where woman falsely accuse men and do it with zero regard to how that stays with that guy the rest of his life. So again, don't be a scumbag predator and don't be the victim of a false accusation. Protect yourself in a world gone mad!

With that said if Portnoy did what he is accused of...then time for the big house. If she is making it up then at some point these women need to be held accountable and face charges.

Great post.

The other thing is, sometimes the reality of it isn’t that black and white, with a perfectly innocent guy and a cunning gold digger girl, or an evil guy and a perfectly innocent girl.

The fact is, there very well be a guy who fully believed he was engaging in something consensual and a woman who thought otherwise.

Clearly, neither of them communicated enough, which seems unwise when you’ve never met each other in person, she appears totally inexperienced, and you’re going to engage in some kind of rape fantasy.

 

[Boomer B]

The far left/woke crowd have been going after Portnoy for years. According to him this reporter has been asking his previous girlfriends, girls he’s slept with and girls he hasn’t slept with for a long time about anything that will make him look bad. If this girl thought she was assaulted why talk to a reporter instead of the cops?

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Long read.

Dave Portnoy, 44, DENIES allegations of rough sex with women

Barstool Sports co-founder David Portnoy (left) reportedly sought young women, including an Instagram influencer (inset) for sex. One partner detailed the encounter in a text exchange (right)

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[aluminum seats]

No…it’s that we saw the dog leash video came out, and everyone basically said, “whatever, but I’d be careful when it comes to consent” and now there’s an issue of consent. Why wouldn’t a reasonable person say they’re struggling with giving him the benefit of the doubt when that concern was obvious?

What was obvious. The “dog leash video” was consensual.

 

[fnordcircle]

The far left/woke crowd have been going after Portnoy for years. According to him this reporter has been asking his previous girlfriends, girls he’s slept with and girls he hasn’t slept with for a long time about anything that will make him look bad. If this girl thought she was assaulted why talk to a reporter instead of the cops?

"The people I don't like are saying Portnoy did something bad therefore I support him."

 

[DarrylS]

I have a daughter (44) and a granddaughter (17) and learned about 30 years ago where there is smoke there is fire, fortunately I lost track of Portnoy over the years. What I do remember was a self entitled man who had grand visions about himself, not really surprised at the allegations.

 

[patman52]

Call me whatever, I have a tendency to believe women when they file charges with the police and give the accuser the benefit of the doubt when those charges are made to the media at a much later date. A middle aged man that has sex with young adults- I don't see anything wrong with it, he is not seducing them, they are doing it for "clout" or what have you.

 

[Clonamery]

Welcome to the world of Kink. Obviously kink threatens people on this board. Pourtnoy says the sex was consensual, which it probably was, and he never denies he likes kink and rough sex. Did the young women know what they were getting into? Who knows. Are young women stupid and easy to manipulate? Yes, every Mom and Dad knows that. So people on PatsFans do not like kink and feel badly when young women are manipulated. So do I, but that is the world we live in where women hook up regularly and brag about it on Twitter. It is common for young women to brag about hooking up on Twitter. Why are people on PatsFans surprised about men and young women hooking up? Ever heard of 50 Shades of Gray? That was art, a masterpiece. I did not see a thread full of shocked PatsFans posters about 50 Shades of Gray.

I am more shocked that 14 and 15 year olds have gender reassignment surgery than a man spitting on an adult woman during sex. But that is just me. I am not a spitter, but I do not care what two consenting adults do in the bedroom. Pourtnoy likes rough sex, he admits that. And in 2021 people are shocked that 44 year old men have rough sex with 19 year old women, but 15 year olds born a man undergo gender reassignment surgery to have female genitalia and that is accepted as normal and usual. I guess I am old school. For me kink is OK between consenting adults as it has been for 100s or years, but gender reassignment surgery for minors is in the main stream?

And in conjunction with kink, the stock manipulation angle that @borg discusses is absolutely true. @Ian you know I love you, but if you are 42, it is time to grow up. There is kink and stock manipulation all over the world, for heavens sake, @Ian probably thinks Martha Stewart was framed. Are 19 and 20 year old women too young to understand kink? Is it creepy for a 44 year old to ask a 19 year old for a night of kink? Yes probably. Is it a hit piece? Yes absolutely. Was the hit piece published the day Penn's earnings were vulnerable? Yes absolutely. Is there anything wrong with kink between two consulting adults? No absolutely nothing wrong with that, and no federal law against it . Is there something wrong with a sex hit piece in Business Insider to manipulate Penn's stock price? OH sorry, that was simply a coincidence and I have teenage daughters, blah, blah, blah. Please grow up. Stock manipulation is a federal felony.

You lost me when you said 50 Shades of Gray is a masterpiece. That’s like saying the Jets have been a well run franchise.

 

[Kontradiction]

I think that most people have different aspects of their personalities that they compartmentalize. I don't think anyone really exists on a dichotomy of good and bad.

Of course not. Portnoy seems like an asswipe and a narcissistic douche, but that doesn’t make him a rapist and it sure doesn’t make him “scum.” That’s why I tossed that reminder out there because people in this thread are acting like he’s already guilty.

Regarding the allegations? Who knows. More evidence needs to come to light. But, with the amount of false allegations that have come against high profile and wealthy men, I’m not sure why anyone takes a woman’s word on it up front anymore. We can’t and the reason we can’t, as many of us have been saying on here for years and years, is because of the women who have falsely accused said wealthy men. Blame them for it. If the women have evidence, bring the evidence. It will get decided in court or via a settlement from there. Unfortunately, that DM exchange he showed us after the fact is the EXACT kind of thing that has happened when the allegations were false and made in order to get a money grab. Let’s see how it plays out.

 

[Kontradiction]

Call me whatever, I have a tendency to believe women when they file charges with the police and give the accuser the benefit of the doubt when those charges are made to the media at a much later date. A middle aged man that has sex with young adults- I don't see anything wrong with it, he is not seducing them, they are doing it for "clout" or what have you.

Yeah, the fact that they DM’d him for a hook-up is not a good look either.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I have daughters & granddaughters. Never was a stoolie. Not gonna look at the evidence, too painful. Will let the storm play out.

 

[Steve102]

This thread has become quite the interesting read.

 

[Bruins29]

"The people I don't like are saying Portnoy did something bad therefore I support him."

You could also say because of his politics there are people who dont like him and are not being objective about this. That is probably true for some here.

He is a weird guy. These women seem to have known what they were getting into though and sound like idiots for being there in the first place.. If he took it to far then that is not right but that also dosent make him a criminal.

If these women were raped or sexually assaulted why diddnt they go to the police? MY guess, no hush money in that.

His quote about “I’ve never done anything weird with a girl,?" Ahhh yah Dave, the **** you are doing is weird - you freak.

Anyway, as @Joker so eloquently posted, When Edelman was arrested for indecent A/B everyone here defended him. Portnoy has not even been charged with anything. Being a major weirdo isnt a crime.

And, yes, 40 something (and 50 something) guys who can date women half their age do if they can.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yeah, the fact that they DM’d him for a hook-up is not a good look either.

After reading the texts, a rape/sex assault case will be hard to prove in court.

 

[yukon cornelius]

You could also say because of his politics there are people who dont like him and are not being objective about this. That is probably true for some here.

He is a weird guy. These women seem to have known what they were getting into though and sound like idiots for being there in the first place.. If he took it to far then that is not right but that also dosent make him a criminal.

If these women were raped or sexually assaulted why diddnt they go to the police? MY guess, no hush money in that.

His quote about “I’ve never done anything weird with a girl,?" Ahhh yah Dave, the **** you are doing is weird - you freak.

Anyway, as @Joker so eloquently posted, When Edelman was arrested for indecent A/B everyone here defended him. Portnoy has not even been charged with anything. Being a major weirdo isnt a crime.

And, yes, 40 something (and 50 something) guys who can date women half their age do if they can.

for the record, most victims of sexual assault don't go to the police.......there's many reasons why - fear of their abuser, fear of being dragged through the mud, the power dynamic that often comes into play between perp/victim, lack of confidence in the system........but not going to the police, or not going to the police right away, is NOT a valid indicator of truthfulness, not one bit........it is the exact behavior one should expect from a victim

not commenting on this case one bit, but simply stating you can't judge the truthfulness of a victim because they "didn't go to the police" or "didn't go right away" - those are classic victim behaviors

 

[Bruins29]

for the record, most victims of sexual assault don't go to the police.......there's many reasons why - fear of their abuser, fear of being dragged through the mud, the power dynamic that often comes into play between perp/victim, lack of confidence in the system........but not going to the police, or not going to the police right away, is NOT a valid indicator of truthfulness, not one bit........it is the exact behavior one should expect from a victim

not commenting on this case one bit, but simply stating you can't judge the truthfulness of a victim because they "didn't go to the police" or "didn't go right away" - those are classic victim behaviors

I agree. You are right. But this just sounds more like " I went to a creepy old guys place (who is known to like really rough sex and be creepy) for really rough sex and the sex was too rough for me."

Me also thinks that if she then goes and delivers this story in the right way that a little hush money could just all of a sudden fall in her lap.

Just trying to be objective if not stimulate interesting discussion.