Sad to see BB's legacy ripped apart like this

[yukon cornelius]

Absolutely. BB had a built in advantage of the GOAT QB on his roster. Now that the advantage is gone, Bill has come back to the pack a bit.

So other than rings which are a team accomplishment not an individual accomplishment - what is the clear argument that BB is absolutely better than every single other coach in the history of the league? I don't know.

unparalleled sustained success in the modern salary cap era.......

 

[ivanvamp]

The following are BB’s own doing:

• Drafting woes
• As more teams construct top heavy rosters with cheaper players surrounding stars, the pats employ the most “middle class” players in the NFL
• As the league becomes more about offense & explosive plays (20+ yards) either refuse or fail to add explosiveness on offense
• As more teams use analytic-based decisions to go for it on 4th down, the Pats are 32nd in the NFL in aggressiveness
• The pats remain one of the few teams starting 250+ lb LBers on defense
• Some coaches with questionable qualifications on the coaching staff

My biggest gripes are BB the GM & BB the coach refusing to adapt to the modern game. The pats offense & defense still lacks speed & the playing not to lose mindset doesn’t work with the quality of offenses across the NFL.

Not adapting to the modern game? They are three years removed from a Super Bowl victory, and two years removed from a 12-4 season and a division title.

They had a 20-year run of unparalleled success. That came to an end and now they're rebuilding. It's not going to happen overnight. He hasn't forgotten how to coach or acquire talent. The people who think this team should seamlessly have gone from the 20 year Brady dominance right into another stretch of excellence are utterly delusional. Of COURSE there were going to be bumps in the road back to the upper level of the NFL. This team is absolutely headed in the right direction.

 

[yukon cornelius]

Well 20 years the pats won...a player left and they have had two seasons of losing records....I would say the player is pretty important.

just a player?

 

[Sully]

Can we just nut up and enjoy the season. We have a rookie QB with some promise. Most franchises would kill to have a QB like that. Rebuilds take time. Enjoy the ride its going to get bumpy

 

[Pats1971]

just a player?

For 20 years....the team won...last two years they didnt. What player was there for 20 years of winning and is not there anymore? I mean this is not even hard math. So you are saying for 20 years, all player decisions, all drafts, were perfect and just by coincidence as soon as Brady left, all that went bad?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Bill is the best coach & GM of the salary cap era. That’s virtually indisputable using any type of objective standard. And I think it’s close to obvious that he’s the best coach of the merger/Super Bowl era, with some reasonable arguments for others. Before that time, the debate is interesting with Halas and possibly Brown.

I think the problem with these discussions is people use the term GOAT as an exclamation point. Or maybe people use it to mean the best in memory. But if you claim he’s the best of all-time, realize that football goes back a long time and other coaches built many of the concepts that Bill uses. And if you make that claim, you’re going to get more pushback and criticism about his weaknesses too.

 

[Pats1971]

Can we just nut up and enjoy the season. We have a rookie QB with some promise. Most franchises would kill to have a QB like that. Rebuilds take time. Enjoy the ride its going to get bumpy

Not even about that. At one point Brady was a first year starter too. I have no issue with rebuilding and all that goes along with it, but when everyone but the guy that runs things gets trashed, and yet when we were winning he received praise, thats not right. It has to work both ways.

 

[Ring 6]

No matter whether you love Bill or hate him, its hard and sad to see his legacy get ripped to shreds like this. As the mediocrity continues it will only get worse.

Much like Tom Landry decades ago, Bill Belichick mystique is falling apart | Opinion

No coach in the modern era of pro sports was built by one person more than New England’s Bill Belichick.

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Only an idiot would think a legacy that is the greatest ever, bar none with 20 years of insane success would be “ripped apart” by less than a season and a half.

 

[Ring 6]

Not even about that. At one point Brady was a first year starter too. I have no issue with rebuilding and all that goes along with it, but when everyone but the guy that runs things gets trashed, and yet when we were winning he received praise, thats not right. It has to work both ways.

Why trash any body?

 

[Pats1971]

Only an idiot would think a legacy that is the greatest ever, bar none with 20 years of insane success would be “ripped apart” by less than a season and a half.

He actually used a lot of seasons in the story, not just a season and a half.

 

[JMC00]

People on here having their go at Belichick for a weird pandemic season which they used to fix the cap and now in a season with a huge roster turnover with a rookie QB where they are a few mental errors/plays away from being potentially a 5-1 team

Miami game- Harris doesn't fumble- potential W

Tampa game- Meyers wide open on that tipped pass- potential W

Dallas game- Agholor drop in OT- potential W

even could say the NO game was a potential W if it wasn't for the ball that floated in the air after Mac got hit and then Smith dropping a pass into their lap.

People in here like Pats are getting blown out by 20 points a game, FOH

 

[Pats1971]

People on here having their go at Belichick for a weird pandemic season which they used to fix the cap and now in a season with a huge roster turnover with a rookie QB where they are a few mental errors/plays away from being potentially a 5-1 team

Miami game- Harris doesn't fumble- potential W

Tampa game- Meyers wide open on that tipped pass- potential W

Dallas game- Agholor drop in OT- potential W

even could say the NO game was a potential W if it wasn't for the ball that floated in the air after Mac got hit and then Smith dropping a pass into their lap.

People in here like Pats are getting blown out by 20 points a game, FOH

They are 2-4. Why does nobody talk about why they could have lost? Anyway. I am pretty sure all teams played during the covid year not just the pats. The pats won for 20 years, in that time they had roster turnover a lot. Why does roster turnover mean losing season now? Every game is a potential loss or a potential win. Good teams win, bad teams dont. The cowboys did everything they possibly could to hand that game to the pats and the pats lost, that is not something that would have happened before.

 

[Midship]

People on here having their go at Belichick for a weird pandemic season which they used to fix the cap and now in a season with a huge roster turnover with a rookie QB where they are a few mental errors/plays away from being potentially a 5-1 team

Miami game- Harris doesn't fumble- potential W

Tampa game- Meyers wide open on that tipped pass- potential W

Dallas game- Agholor drop in OT- potential W

even could say the NO game was a potential W if it wasn't for the ball that floated in the air after Mac got hit and then Smith dropping a pass into their lap.

People in here like Pats are getting blown out by 20 points a game, FOH

Moral victories don't mean ****. The 0-6 Lions could be 3-3 if things went differently and if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

 

[ashley]

People on here having their go at Belichick for a weird pandemic season which they used to fix the cap and now in a season with a huge roster turnover with a rookie QB where they are a few mental errors/plays away from being potentially a 5-1 team

Miami game- Harris doesn't fumble- potential W

Tampa game- Meyers wide open on that tipped pass- potential W

Dallas game- Agholor drop in OT- potential W

even could say the NO game was a potential W if it wasn't for the ball that floated in the air after Mac got hit and then Smith dropping a pass into their lap.

People in here like Pats are getting blown out by 20 points a game, FOH

all fair points and well taken, we are better than our 2-4 record indicates, new season starts this week against the jets!!!!!!!

There wasn't a game I watched this year that I was like " we don't deserve to be on the same field as them"...

 

[yukon cornelius]

For 20 years....the team won...last two years they didnt. What player was there for 20 years of winning and is not there anymore? I mean this is not even hard math. So you are saying for 20 years, all player decisions, all drafts, were perfect and just by coincidence as soon as Brady left, all that went bad?

is brady the only player that left?

seems like in the salary cap era, 20 years of winning catches up at some point.....in fact, it's starting to catch up with KC already, after a much shorter time....sustained success is extremely difficult in todays NFL

losing the GOAT QB hurt, but it was hardly the only loss......just like gaining the GOAT QB helped TB, but was hardly the only reason for their succes

 

[amfootball]

People on here having their go at Belichick for a weird pandemic season which they used to fix the cap and now in a season with a huge roster turnover with a rookie QB where they are a few mental errors/plays away from being potentially a 5-1 team

Miami game- Harris doesn't fumble- potential W

Tampa game- Meyers wide open on that tipped pass- potential W

Dallas game- Agholor drop in OT- potential W

even could say the NO game was a potential W if it wasn't for the ball that floated in the air after Mac got hit and then Smith dropping a pass into their lap.

People in here like Pats are getting blown out by 20 points a game, FOH

They also could have been blown out by Houston if their HC was not a clown.

 

[Pats1971]

is brady the only player that left?

seems like in the salary cap era, 20 years of winning catches up at some point.....in fact, it's starting to catch up with KC already, after a much shorter time....sustained success is extremely difficult in todays NFL

losing the GOAT QB hurt, but it was hardly the only loss......just like gaining the GOAT QB helped TB, but was hardly the only reason for their succes

No for 20 years players left all the time....except Brady, when he left then the record fell off the table. The pats had player turnover for the last two decades, they still won...until....Its not about losing players, we always did that. It was about having a player that could cover up for mistakes, cover up for young players, cover up for players leaving and still win. That is gone.

 

[ashley]

Moral victories don't mean ****. The 0-6 Lions could be 3-3 if things went differently and if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

I'm so thankful that I read your post..it added so much to my day....keep contributing wonderfully to this forum with your knowledge and insights and keep sharing family information.

 

[yukon cornelius]

No for 20 years players left all the time....except Brady, when he left then the record fell off the table. The pats had player turnover for the last two decades, they still won...until....

and before he left they were in salary cap hell.....the cupboards were finally bare, the cap and other factors finally caught up with them - in fact that's likely the reason brady DID leave.....to say brady leaving is the only reason they are where there are is, well, kind of ignoring the entire 2019 season?

 

[ashley]

No for 20 years players left all the time....except Brady, when he left then the record fell off the table. The pats had player turnover for the last two decades, they still won...until....Its not about losing players, we always did that. It was about having a player that could cover up for mistakes, cover up for young players, cover up for players leaving and still win. That is gone.

One player doesn't make a team...the talent was here last year....when Brady wasn't with this team we went 11-5 with Casal and 3-1 with Jimmy and co. It of course helped that Brady was here, but it's also the talent around him that matters as well