OT: Did the Pats Consider Trading Brady Instead of Bledsoe After SB 36?

[MahomestoKelce]

Brady has 7. Your boy has 1 with 2 taken from him by the Goat.

Point is one game doesn't make a career.

My boy will win MVP this year and seal his place as a HOFer.

One of those victories Brady has over Mahomes was a coin flip. Literally.

 

[ivanvamp]

Hmm.....and you don't think having garbage at OL affected this? You think any other QB would've won under those circumstances?

How did Brady do in both SB's against the Giants? Oh right...failed to hit twenty points both times.

Obviously Brady must be a bum too right?

No need for people to get upset just because my guy is a generational talent who will win 3 NFL MVP's before his age 30 season. Not to mention at least 3 more SB wins before the 2025 season.

Mahomes is incredible, and don't let anyone here try to tell you otherwise. He's an absolutely phenomenal quarterback and should be great for a LONG time. You should be thrilled to have him.

But easy does it on the "at least 3 more SB wins before the 2025 season" talk. There have been any number of incredible QBs that have come along, including a guy named Peyton Manning, who never managed to win more than 2 SBs in their entire career. Yet you're somehow banking on Mahomes winning *4* (the one he already has plus three more) in his first 8 seasons?

There's being a fan of a great player and then there's being just a wee bit unrealistic about how hard it is to win a Super Bowl.

 

[oldrover]

LOL! I actually don't troll at ChiefsPlanet

 

[MahomestoKelce]

Passing was not a bad decision. The play they ran was. Passing in heavy traffic is very risky.

Play-action, corner pass to a TE or something like that would have been a better call.

Carroll was going to run on 3rd down if is passing play failed. He kept his TO for that very reason and that's why passing on 2nd (or 3rd) down made sense. He did it on 2nd down, because if he ran on 2nd down and failed, he would have had to stop the clock and running on 3rd down would have become VERY risky. So, in my mind, passing on 2nd down was smart.

The pass itself was bad is what I mean.

I think Seattle was caught off guard by the Patriots not calling a timeout.

As a side, how much heat does Belichick get if Seattle scores the game winning TD with 20 seconds left. With a timeout in his pocket?

That could've been disastrous for him.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

TB is not better than us on offense. It's about 50/50.

Mahomes>Brady

Kelce>>>Any TB TE

Hill>>Bucs Receivers.

But obviously TB has crazy good depth.

Either way, I like our chances against the inferior AFC teams.

Mahomes is more physically talented than Brady, but Brady is like a grand chess master from the mental part of the game

Aaron Rodgers is more physcially talented than Brady too, and everyone was ready to crown him the GOAT despite only winning 1 super bowl

Kelce is better than any individual TE on Bucs, but I would take the Bucs TE group over any other TE group in the league.

Tyreek Hill is (arguably) better than any single Wr on the bucs, but Mike Evans has had 1000 yards receiving for like 7 straight years. Godwin is a pro bowl wr, Antonio brown is an elite WR, Scotty Miller is a burner like mecole hardman
If T Hill blows his knee out, chiefs are HOSED.. if Brady loses any 1 of his wrs he won’t miss a beat

Young and arrogant former champions.. you’ll learn that those long seasons with extra playoff games start to take a toll, teams start poaching your coaches and players, injuries happen, teams adapt, players start wanting more than they’re actually worth

getting to the top of the mountain is hard, staying on top is even harder

 

[Le Numéro Douze]

The pass itself was bad is what I mean.

I think Seattle was caught off guard by the Patriots not calling a timeout.

As a side, how much heat does Belichick get if Seattle scores the game winning TD with 20 seconds left. With a timeout in his pocket?

That could've been disastrous for him.

Once again, the documentary explains that well. BB did not call a timeout because he noticed that the Seattle sideline was confused.

He let them beat themselves.

That's part of BB's genius. He is prepared for everything, so, in the action, he reacts quickly and has time to assess his opponent. He is a master chess player.

 

[amfootball]

Point is one game doesn't make a career.

My boy will win MVP this year and seal his place as a HOFer.

One of those victories Brady has over Mahomes was a coin flip. Literally.

Lol. Spoken like Colts fans from the 00s. But, but my guy will be league MVP! Lol

 

[MahomestoKelce]

Mahomes is incredible, and don't let anyone here try to tell you otherwise. He's an absolutely phenomenal quarterback and should be great for a LONG time. You should be thrilled to have him.

But easy does it on the "at least 3 more SB wins before the 2025 season" talk. There have been any number of incredible QBs that have come along, including a guy named Peyton Manning, who never managed to win more than 2 SBs in their entire career. Yet you're somehow banking on Mahomes winning *4* (the one he already has plus three more) in his first 8 seasons?

There's being a fan of a great player and then there's being just a wee bit unrealistic about how hard it is to win a Super Bowl.

We are all fan boys though. I mean in my mind there's nothing stopping Mahomes. Every time he touches the field I expect a Touchdown.

Now, fate and luck play a part. Injuries, free agents, and coaching.

I'm just saying fans get excited about their QB's. I'm no different.

 

[MahomestoKelce]

Once again, the documentary explains that well. BB did not call a timeout because he noticed that the Seattle sideline was confused.

He let them beat themselves.

That's part of BB's genius. He is prepared for everything, so, in the action, he reacts quickly and has time to assess his opponent. He is a master chess player.

Yes I know. But Belichick is forever guessed if Seattle scores the game winning TD there. He would've been roasted.

It worked out. I'm just saying he would've been second guessed forever had the opposite happened.

 

[amfootball]

Mahomes is more physically talented than Brady, but Brady is like a grand chess master from the mental part of the game

Aaron Rodgers is more physcially talented than Brady too, and everyone was ready to crown him the GOAT despite only winning 1 super bowl

Kelce is better than any individual TE on Bucs, but I would take the Bucs TE group over any other TE group in the league.

Tyreek Hill is (arguably) better than any single Wr on the bucs, but Mike Evans has had 1000 yards receiving for like 7 straight years. Godwin is a pro bowl wr, Antonio brown is an elite WR, Scotty Miller is a burner like mecole hardman
If T Hill blows his knee out, chiefs are HOSED.. if Brady loses any 1 of his wrs he won’t miss a beat

Young and arrogant former champions.. you’ll learn that those long seasons with extra playoff games start to take a toll, teams start poaching your coaches and players, injuries happen, teams adapt, players start wanting more than they’re actually worth

getting to the top of the mountain is hard, staying on top is even harder

Brady is a better Qb than Rodgers or Mahomes. That was proven in spades last year.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Long story short, I shouldn't have made this thread. Brady was the consensus starter going forward. The fact the team traded Bledsoe to the Bills makes it clear they didn't think much of his football abilities anymore.

That and they saved a ton in cap space.

 

[MahomestoKelce]

Lol. Spoken like Colts fans from the 00s. But, but my guy will be league MVP! Lol

Lots of variables go into a SB win. Moreso than a league MVP.

 

[MahomestoKelce]

That and they saved a ton in cap space.

I wonder if the Bills ever thought to themselves: "Wait. If this guy is our savior, why are our rivals willingly trading him in division"? I mean if Bledsoe was so good, the Patriots never trade him in division.

Maybe it was simply a box office move to sell tickets by Buffalo. More than a football move per say.

 

[Le Numéro Douze]

Yes I know. But Belichick is forever guessed if Seattle scores the game winning TD there. He would've been roasted.

It worked out. I'm just saying he would've been second guessed forever had the opposite happened.

And now, Carroll is being roasted constantly when he did not take THAT BAD of a decision.

That is what happens when you look at things in hindsight. Let's say the pass is incomplete and the score a rushing TD on the next play. He is being called a clock-management genius. The decision process would not have changed, just the outcome.

Truth is. Fans and pundits look at things in hindsight and are missing MUCH of the necessary data to REALLY assess the decision that was made.

 

[mgcolby]

Hmm.....and you don't think having garbage at OL affected this? You think any other QB would've won under those circumstances?

How did Brady do in both SB's against the Giants? Oh right...failed to hit twenty points both times.

Obviously Brady must be a bum too right?

No need for people to get upset just because my guy is a generational talent who will win 3 NFL MVP's before his age 30 season. Not to mention at least 3 more SB wins before the 2025 season.

NFL MVP's mean squat it's a popularity contest...ask Manning.

Zero chance in hell KC wins 3 superbowls in the next 4 years. Zero! I don't think you make it back this year. It's just extremely hard to go back to back let alone 3 times in a row. Your D is in the bottom 16 of the league. The right side of your O-line is young and untested. Your O depth is lacking particularly at O-Line and receiver. If Kelce gets hurt your team is hosed.

You are the top of the mountain as of now in the AFC, but the gap isn't what you think it is. Add any serious injury to Hill or Kelce and things come crashing back down real quick. I like Hardman but he is a one trick pony. Pringle and whoever else you have won't cut it. As much as it pains me to say it the Bills are light years better on Defense and have much better depth on offense than you guys...(I need to throw up now...hold on a second). I think attrition more than anything keeps you out of the the big dance this year.

 

[amfootball]

Lots of variables go into a SB win. Moreso than a league MVP.

The greats of the greats are always judged by how they lead their teams to championships precisely because it is hard and lots of obstacles have to be overcome.

 

[MahomestoKelce]

And now, Carroll is being roasted constantly when he did not take THAT BAD of a decision.

That is what happens when you look at things in hindsight. Let's say the pass is incomplete and the score a rushing TD on the next play. He is being called a clock-management genius. The decision process would not have changed, just the outcome.

Truth is. Fans and pundits look at things in hindsight and are missing MUCH of the necessary data to REALLY assess the decision that was made.

Oh I definitely agree. And to be clear, sometimes coaches need to go with their gut. Belichick did. And of course the outcome would change the perception of Carroll.

But that's what fans do. Second guess.

 

[ivanvamp]

We are all fan boys though. I mean in my mind there's nothing stopping Mahomes. Every time he touches the field I expect a Touchdown.

Now, fate and luck play a part. Injuries, free agents, and coaching.

I'm just saying fans get excited about their QB's. I'm no different.

Yeah for sure and I totally get that. It's cool. You SHOULD be a fan of Mahomes - dude is off the charts great. But here's the thing. Brady - the unquestioned greatest of all time - won three in his first five seasons (counting his rookie year when he sat all season). It looked like he'd never ever lose a playoff game. Then, even with probably the greatest individual team ever (2007), he didn't win another SB until a decade later, and even then it took some things going right for that to happen. The point being that even the all-time greats find it INCREDIBLY difficult to win a single title, never mind multiple championships. You have every right to be hopeful that Mahomes will just keep winning, but the fact is, even for him it's going to be super duper difficult.

I mean, just look at his last three seasons. Loses in the AFC championship to the Pats and yes, a coin flip and/or a terrible offsides penalty (correct call but terrible by Ford) away from winning that game and probably winning the SB (though the Rams did beat KC that year so who knows). And then last year were banged up all along the OL. But this is exactly why it's so hard to win a SB. Injuries here and there. (the Pats have suffered more than their share of those that derailed championship runs - no way they lose to the Giants in SB 46 if Gronk isn't one-legged) A bad break or a terrible call by an official. Another team just getting red hot at the right time. All this stuff happens, and because in the playoffs all it takes is one slip up and you're gone, it's just crazy hard.

So I encourage you - by all means be fully optimistic and full of expectation. Just understand that there's reasons why only 3 QBs have ever won 4+ SBs.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

I've been following pats religiously since 94. No, Bledsoe was always going to be traded. Everyone knew Brady was the guy. Bledsoe was a $ 103 million dollar QB who got benched by Tom Brady when Bledsoe was healthy enough to play. BB didn't like Bledsoe's gunslinger style. He knew what he had in Brady.

 

[MahomestoKelce]

NFL MVP's mean squat it's a popularity contest...ask Manning.

Zero chance in hell KC wins 3 superbowls in the next 4 years. Zero! I don't think you make it back this year. It's just extremely hard to go back to back let alone 3 times in a row. Your D is in the bottom 16 of the league. The right side of your O-line is young and untested. Your O depth is lacking particularly at O-Line and receiver. If Kelce gets hurt your team is hosed.

You are the top of the mountain as of now in the AFC, but the gap isn't what you think it is. Add any serious injury to Hill or Kelce and things come crashing back down real quick. I like Hardman but he is a one trick pony. Pringle and whoever else you have won't cut it. As much as it pains me to say it the Bills are light years better on Defense and have much better depth on offense than you guys...(I need to throw up now...hold on a second). I think attrition more than anything keeps you out of the the big dance this year.

Gun to your head, would you rather us or Buffalo win the SB this year? I'm guessing you'll say Buffalo because they have none and Allen will never be compared with Brady.

Obviously injuries to our key players would hinder us. But that's true for every NFL team.

Is there a team currently in the league who could survive injuries to their best TE & receiver?