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OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

This isn't debating or disagreeing with you rather just thinking out loud.

Did BB mismanage the roster/cap or did he go all in for Brady's last few years and Brady just outplayed the timeline?

@Ice_Ice_Brady @Deus Irae what do you think?
I'll just say that he didn't go all in, that a huge part of the problem was the stupid refusal to give Brady a long term deal that would have been better able to defray costs, that another huge part of the problem was having too long a period of bad drafting, and that there were other problems as well.
 
He definitely didn’t go all-in for Brady’s last few years. If he did, he would have backloaded contracts and traded draft picks for known commodities. He continued working within the 1-2 year cap responsibility window whereby the team is very competitive every year, even if they’re not maximizing every move to win-now like the Broncos 2012-15, Saints, 2018-20, and Bucs (starting now, we’ll see more of that.)

He tried get Brady weapons. Traded a first for Cooks, but that wasn’t a great fit. Three more firsts spent on Wynn, Michel, and Harry. Signed AB. So it‘s not like he purposely left Brady out there in 2019 like that.

There are two issues that, I think, caused it to end:

1. Brady, and Gronkowski, partially due to their aging, didn’t want to be mico-managed about rest, nutrition, etc. and wanted a more laid back (and common sense) coach. And I think that‘s where the Brady—Bill schism begins…a guy who wants to do it his way, and his way also has an unprecedented timeframe for how long he can play, and a controlling, “year too early is better” coach who isn’t okay with this on numerous levels.

2. The Patriots drafting is barren for years, which makes it an easier decision, because Brady is no longer bound to the Patriots as “the best chance to win.” However, I’d say the way Bill went about the entire process, including the way he approached free agency, the 2020 season, etc. really makes it difficult to buy that he was rebuilding…rather, I believe he thought he was simply swapping out the position and would be fine.

From that perspective, Brady made a decision that benefitted him, but the Patriots happily watching him walk away, was that the best decision for them? Absolutely not. If they could have convinced him to stay, knowing 2020 would be challenging but seeing all the cap space in 2022, they’d be Super Bowl favorites right now and are probably still contending through at least 2023. The 2020 cap “situation” had nothing to do with this…they absolutely could have kept him and worked the contract in one of many ways. It had to do with them, and Bill, refusing to get on their knees and beg, as any other franchise would have done in this case. But not only did they refuse to beg, they really didn’t do anything. They treated him like every other aging player, hoping he’d have almost no market and would come running back to them.
Pats would have probably bowed out last year the same time as they did the year before if they even made the playoffs but this year?
They’d win it all if Brady was here. No doubt about it. We know for sure that the Bucs wouldn’t be in the way.
 
I believe all the voting for the annual top 100 occurs before the postseason. Which explains a lot.
 
Very sloppy defense by the Bucs. They should be dominating .
 
There's no gimme games in NFL.
Agreed. But this team looks so good going into the season.

Not expecting a W but hopefully Bill and the Pats find a way to at least slow them down so they don’t get trucked.
 
Agreed. But this team looks so good going into the season.

Not expecting a W but hopefully Bill and the Pats find a way to at least slow them down so they don’t get trucked.

They should win a lot of games this year. The question will be the coaching staff. They should be gelling in both sides already. No excuses not to be disciplined.
 
Is Vea playing in this game? Defense has been soft this series.
 
Favorable spot for the Texans, thought the Bucs stopped them
 
This Bucs defense has to be better than this. There’s no excuses for them to improve this season. Sometimes I wonder about the scheme overall.
 
When your OL gets pushed back into you it’s tough
 
What a clinic by Brady.
 
So many weapons.
 
Lol only just a 93 yard TD drive. Godwin for a big one, a few runs by Jones, a couple to Brown, Howard sets it up on a tee and Jones hammered it home TD.

I know it’s preseason and only the Texans and they suck but this dude really is like an artist and the field is his canvas. Something to watch and be amazed at.
 
Someone said it in the other thread - this new numbering scheme is really dumb.
 

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