Patriots Training Camp Day 17 8/25- Joint Practice with Giants

[Deus Irae]

A bit misleading since many QBs taken in the first round are not as ready to start as Mac Jones is. Hell, at least of two guys taken before him this year are near universally believed to not be nearly as ready to start in the NFL as Jones. Jones came from a pro style offense and an offense very similar to the Patriots. Guys like Trey Lance or Justin Fields didn't have that type of experience that Jones has.

No guarantees that Jones will be above average as a rookie, but he is more NFL ready than most QBs coming into the NFL.

It's not misleading at all.

 

[Rob0729]

Fixed it for you. Odds are just as good that they're not winning the SuperBowl with Cam at QB either.

Of course not. The odds of the Pats winning the Super Bowl no matter who is the QB are slim, but stranger things have happened.

 

[Rob0729]

It's not misleading at all.

It is because a lot of first round QBs are drafted on potential and not how ready they are for the NFL today. Guys like Trey Lance were drafted with the idea that they are not ready to start in the NFL right away, but with proper development, they can be a top QB in the NFL some day. Mac Jones was draft with the expectation that he could start right away and be productive right away, but has a lower ceiling than a lot of the guys taken before him who need development. And there are a lot of QBs taken in the first round who are more like Trey Lance than Mac Jones.

And that is even before you factor in the fact that many to most of the QBs who are taken in the first round and play in their rookie years play on really bad teams with poor coaching.

 

[Scotty]

I believe Cajuste stepped in for Wynn when he left the session , hopefully he performed well and boosts the OL back up depth

 

[Pats2000]

James Bradberry is a Pro Bowl cornerback btw.

Jones has brass balls.

You need brass balls to sell real estate

 

[Pats2000]

It is because a lot of first round QBs are drafted on potential and not how ready they are for the NFL today. Guys like Trey Lance were drafted with the idea that they are not ready to start in the NFL right away, but with proper development, they can be a top QB in the NFL some day. Mac Jones was draft with the expectation that he could start right away and be productive right away, but has a lower ceiling than a lot of the guys taken before him who need development. And there are a lot of QBs taken in the first round who are more like Trey Lance than Mac Jones.

And that is even before you factor in the fact that many to most of the QBs who are taken in the first round and play in their rookie years play on really bad teams with poor coaching.

Mac Jones ceiling is really high af, he's in the perfect offense that plays to his exact strengths. He can easily be the best QB out of this draft

 

[Lagaffe_07]

But Mac doesn't have to be an above average QB.

He just has to be better than Cam

Which is already the case

 

[Wozzy]

You need brass balls to sell real estate

Huh?

 

[RobertWeathers]

You need brass balls to sell real estate

Apathetic offense
Because of
Cam

 

[RobertWeathers]

Huh?

Glengarry Glen Ross. Alec Baldwin rips a bunch of ****ty salespeople new ones. Epic.

 

[Pats2000]

Huh?

Never seen the movie Glenn Gary Glenn Ross I guess

 

[Uptown]

 

[Deus Irae]

It is because a lot of first round QBs are drafted on potential and not how ready they are for the NFL today. Guys like Trey Lance were drafted with the idea that they are not ready to start in the NFL right away, but with proper development, they can be a top QB in the NFL some day. Mac Jones was draft with the expectation that he could start right away and be productive right away, but has a lower ceiling than a lot of the guys taken before him who need development. And there are a lot of QBs taken in the first round who are more like Trey Lance than Mac Jones.

And that is even before you factor in the fact that many to most of the QBs who are taken in the first round and play in their rookie years play on really bad teams with poor coaching.

It's not. Sorry.


If you want to argue "But Mac will be one to add to the 7.....", that's fine. If you want to trot out some version of "But BB", that's your call. If you want to assert that the post is too vague for you, go for it. But trying to argue that an admittedly vague (something to the effect) reference to a statement made based upon an acknowledged unknown metric is "misleading"? That's just silliness. To repeat that post, with an edit to correct the spelling of the word "something":

I can't remember what show I heard the following on yesterday, but it stated something to the effect that only 7 of the last 31 QBs taken in the first round played as above average QBs in their rookie seasons, based on whatever metric(s) being used.

There's nothing misleading there.

 

[reflexblue]

Mac on FIRE!

 

[Steve102]

You need brass balls to sell real estate

Put the coffee down.

 

[amfootball]

Cam is going to be QB1 tomorrow. That is what I am hearing.

 

[Rob0729]

It's not. Sorry.


If you want to argue "But Mac will be one to add to the 7.....", that's fine. If you want to trot out some version of "But BB", that's your call. If you want to assert that the post is too vague for you, go for it. But trying to argue that an admittedly vague (something to the effect) reference to a statement made based upon an acknowledged unknown metric is "misleading"? That's just silliness. To repeat that post, with an edit to correct the spelling of the word "something":



There's nothing misleading there.

It is misleading if you think it has any bearing on whether Mac Jones will be an above average QB. It means absolutely nothing to Jones himself because every QB is at a different state when they get into the league and Jones is far closer to NFL ready than most first round QBs.

I misspoke. The stat you posted isn't misleading. It is just an irrelevant stat. It is just one of those useless stats that people like to throw out there to pretend they know something. Every QB is different and come into teams with different situations. Usually teams that draft QBs in the first round are either bad teams with bad coaches or bad teams with new coaches trying to transition their team from a bad coach's system to their system. And many rookie QBs are drafted on potential. Mac Jones is in a very different situation than probably most of those 31 first round QBs.

Again, that doesn't mean Jones will be above average, but to compare him to say the guy he faced today, Daniel Jones, is not an accurate comparison. Both were first round picks, but the comparisons end there. Daniel Jones was not considered NFL ready when drafted and he came into a team with a bad second year head coach (who was fired after Jones' rookie season). How is Mac Jones' situation and abilities compared to Daniel Jones' when he came into the league? We can go through the entire 31 QBs and find similar significant differences between Mac Jones and those QBs.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Cam is going to be QB1 tomorrow. That is what I am hearing.

Source?

 

[Zuma]

Source?

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[RobertWeathers]

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