Mike Lombardi: "Be Patient with Mac Jones" (no need to rush)

[Hyped]

Comments:

1.) I know one thing for sure, Lombardi doesn't know what BB is gonna do.

2.) I remember during the 1993 season, Parcells was quoted as saying, "Everybody knows Bledsoe is going to start.....the players know it"...roughly paraphrasing. Bledsoe at the time was so much better than Secules/Zolak.

3.) Mac Jones has NOT YET "blown away" Cam in practices/pre-season. If he is gonna start week 1, something has to give tonight, IMO. Personally, I would start Mac Jones if he blows out Cam.... I hope it isn't because Cam played badly or got injured. I want Mac to earn it via a hard fought QB competition.

4.) If BB is even thinking of starting Mac in week 1, I think we see Mac do a series or two BEFORE HALF TIME tonight...and possibly play a lot in the 2nd half to increase his reps.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Mike Lombardi is a scammer.

 

[Sicilian]

I do agree that the last thing they want to do is put Mac in and then have to bench him. When the time comes for him to play, they want him to be the guy going forward (assuming he's legit).

That does NOT mean they're going to automatically sit him week 1 out of fear that it's too early for that. If he earns it, they'll play him. If he's not playing, it's because there's a checkbox or two he hasn't filled out yet by September 12th.

 

[amfootball]

Mike Lombardi is a scammer.

Yep. He has been wrong so many times. He is just a click guy now.

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

Michael Lombardi: ‘You’re an idiot’ to draft Metcalf over N’Keal Harry​

Hey now, just because Metcalfs rookie season was twice as good as Harry's career to date doesn't mean he can't catch up!

 

[jdlboot14]

Dalton.
I don't think he deserves the hate he gets. He had some very decent years in CIN, when they were in free fall in the demise of Lewis' tenure. IMO he would have been a better option than Cam last year, and would have been a much better fit in this system and to bridge to Mac.
D. Jones, Darnold and Wetnz are big unknowns this year... and of course Cam is the worst of the bunch.

 

[jdlboot14]

Not being talked about anywhere...
BB doesn't know how to develop a young QB! He brought in Testaverde in CLE, then he inherited Bledsoe in NE.
If it wasn't for Rehbein & Weis who really picked and developed Brady - he wouldn't have become what he did.
BB is not the guy who has a blueprint for how to handle this situation. I have to believe JMD has a lot to say about how this will go too.
And if that is the case - you have to assume Josh really wants to make it work well for Mac. Even if that means waiting a month.
The issue is, how much time can they spend building on schemes for Cam, rather than the system they believe in?

 

[amfootball]

Not being talked about anywhere...
BB doesn't know how to develop a young QB! He brought in Testaverde in CLE, then he inherited Bledsoe in NE.
If it wasn't for Rehbein & Weis who really picked and developed Brady - he wouldn't have become what he did.
BB is not the guy who has a blueprint for how to handle this situation. I have to believe JMD has a lot to say about how this will go too.
And if that is the case - you have to assume Josh really wants to make it work well for Mac. Even if that means waiting a month.
The issue is, how much time can they spend building on schemes for Cam, rather than the system they believe in?

Good points. Your last sentence is key. Cam can't run the offense the way Mac can. The longer Cam starts, the harder the transition for the entire offense and that is when you see injuries pop in.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Not being talked about anywhere...
BB doesn't know how to develop a young QB! He brought in Testaverde in CLE, then he inherited Bledsoe in NE.
If it wasn't for Rehbein & Weis who really picked and developed Brady - he wouldn't have become what he did.
BB is not the guy who has a blueprint for how to handle this situation. I have to believe JMD has a lot to say about how this will go too.
And if that is the case - you have to assume Josh really wants to make it work well for Mac. Even if that means waiting a month.
The issue is, how much time can they spend building on schemes for Cam, rather than the system they believe in?

He brought in Testaverde, who wasn't actually good but had the league's #1 defense and a strong running game. Testaverde in 1994 had 16 TDs and 18 INTS, and no, that wasn't good even back then. They were also 3-0 that year with Mark Rypien.

For whatever reason the narrative is that Bill was ballsy to move on from Kosar. In reality, Testaverde's QB rating in 1994 (70) was far worse than Kosar's in 1993 (77) and 1992 (87).

The fact is the 1994 Cleveland Browns were a good quarterback away from being a real championship contender. They scored 29 points in two playoff games.

What concerns me is that Bill has gone with that Parcells idea of the steady eddie quarterback who is coachable, reliable, though not necessarily good. They signed on Testaverde in 1998 with the Jets, and again, it's not a surprise they were overmatched by John Elway in the AFCCG.

Parcells then went with Bledsoe (!) again when he went to Dallas, even though Bledsoe, like Testaverde, is a guy you can't win with in the modern NFL. He just isn't good; worse than average by that point.

And Belichick? The Cam re-signing is concerning as hell...basically the same exact theme...a guy who is a locker room leader, coachable, etc. but almost exactly like Bledsoe/Testaverde: a former #1 pick, downside of his career, not going to get you to the next level.

 

[Sicilian]

Not being talked about anywhere...
BB doesn't know how to develop a young QB! He brought in Testaverde in CLE, then he inherited Bledsoe in NE.
If it wasn't for Rehbein & Weis who really picked and developed Brady - he wouldn't have become what he did.
BB is not the guy who has a blueprint for how to handle this situation. I have to believe JMD has a lot to say about how this will go too.
And if that is the case - you have to assume Josh really wants to make it work well for Mac. Even if that means waiting a month.
The issue is, how much time can they spend building on schemes for Cam, rather than the system they believe in?

So he gets no credit, not only for Brady (who himself credits him quite a bit), but for Matt Cassel who went from 7th round pick who hadn't started a game since High School to starting QB and (I think) pro bowler? Or Jimmy G who took a team to a Super Bowl? Also, how many high round QBs has BB even had to TRY to develop in the last 20 years? Having Brady kind of negates the need to try to spend high resources to find and develop a starting QB.

 

[jdlboot14]

So he gets no credit, not only for Brady (who himself credits him quite a bit), but for Matt Cassel who went from 7th round pick who hadn't started a game since High School to starting QB and (I think) pro bowler? Or Jimmy G who took a team to a Super Bowl? Also, how many high round QBs has BB even had to TRY to develop in the last 20 years? Having Brady kind of negates the need to try to spend high resources to find and develop a starting QB.

I never said BB should get no credit. This is the ultimate team sport, and I believe BB is the best coach of all time. And his penchant is making the best out of average players - to play as winning teams, to out-coach the opponent... and to delegate to excellent people around him. It doesn't make him less of a GOAT to say that he's never been a QB whisperer, but he's allowed guys to do what they do best. I'm just acknowledging his expertise isn't building great QBs.

 

[Sicilian]

I never said BB should get no credit. This is the ultimate team sport, and I believe BB is the best coach of all time. And his penchant is making the best out of average players - to play as winning teams, to out-coach the opponent... and to delegate to excellent people around him. It doesn't make him less of a GOAT to say that he's never been a QB whisperer, but he's allowed guys to do what they do best. I'm just acknowledging his expertise isn't building great QBs.

If that's your point, that's fair. But when you start that point with "BB doesn't know how to develop a young QB!" it seems to imply something much stronger.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

I never said BB should get no credit. This is the ultimate team sport, and I believe BB is the best coach of all time. And his penchant is making the best out of average players - to play as winning teams, to out-coach the opponent... and to delegate to excellent people around him. It doesn't make him less of a GOAT to say that he's never been a QB whisperer, but he's allowed guys to do what they do best. I'm just acknowledging his expertise isn't building great QBs.

You should read what you wrote. Maybe that will clear it up.

Hint: BB isn't some helpless, clueless over-matched serf when it comes to QB development.

Ice_Ice_ Brady is jumping on your bandwagon......you might want to check the clueless meter on your posting.

 

[Triumph]

Dalton.
I don't think he deserves the hate he gets. He had some very decent years in CIN, when they were in free fall in the demise of Lewis' tenure. IMO he would have been a better option than Cam last year, and would have been a much better fit in this system and to bridge to Mac.
D. Jones, Darnold and Wetnz are big unknowns this year... and of course Cam is the worst of the bunch.

Candys stats are misleading.

Over 3 years Cam played 2 games in 2019 and struggled mightily never notching a TD. His 2018 numbers are good enough.

14 games
320 completions
471 attempts
68% completion rate
24 tds
13 ints

I will take a Cam season like that with this run game and a defense thats hopefully much better. The lack of talent on the 2020 team definitely had an influence on the poor showing on offense. But, that flies in the face of Cam as the sole reason why the Pats lost. Cam played poorly for sure, but where were the great 2020 passing weapons?

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[jdlboot14]

Candys stats are misleading.

Over 3 years Cam played 2 games in 2019 and struggled mightily never notching a TD. His 2018 numbers are good enough.

14 games
320 completions
471 attempts
68% completion rate
24 tds
13 ints

I will take a Cam season like that with this run game and a defense thats hopefully much better. The lack of talent on the 2020 team definitely had an influence on the poor showing on offense. But, that flies in the face of Cam as the sole reason why the Pats lost. Cam played poorly for sure, but where were the great 2020 passing weapons?

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In what other world does someone get the current assessment of their capabilities for something they did 3 years ago? Cam apologists keep brining up 2018 as if it has anything to do with what he is NOW. I agree it has yet to be determined, but citing stats from '18 is like posting GDP numbers and historic stock & employment figures from 2018 as a predictor of what will happen this year... everything has changed.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Not being talked about anywhere...
BB doesn't know how to develop a young QB! He brought in Testaverde in CLE, then he inherited Bledsoe in NE.
If it wasn't for Rehbein & Weis who really picked and developed Brady - he wouldn't have become what he did.
BB is not the guy who has a blueprint for how to handle this situation. I have to believe JMD has a lot to say about how this will go too.
And if that is the case - you have to assume Josh really wants to make it work well for Mac. Even if that means waiting a month.
The issue is, how much time can they spend building on schemes for Cam, rather than the system they believe in?

The day after the draft I said this was a "Josh pick" and he basically picked Mac with Bill signing off on the QB. If a HC really wants a QB they go up and get them to block out every opportunity someone else might have and ensure they got their guy. Josh went around to different schools, looking at different QB's. No one else is as close to the position on the team. He was obviously heavily involved and again imo is the one who really pushed for Jones.

 

[Wozzy]

We're back to BB gets no credit for drafting Tom... it was the QB coach he just hired and specifically sent to scout two college QB's from the entire draft class coming out that year in Rattay and Brady... laughable. I guess BB also didn't roster four QB's that year (unheard of) despite having a 100 million dollar man and fan favorite in Bledsoe already on the team. Jimmy G (Eastern Illinois), Cassel (zero college starts)... they can't coach up young QB's... got it.

And yeah, Michael Lomabrdi is a scammer. He worked for Bill Walsh, Al Davis and Belichick but knows nothing about backroom dealings on NFL teams. The reason we know this is he cautioned against drafting DK Metcalf with the first pick... a guy who broke his f-ing neck six months prior to the draft and that 32 teams passed on for two rounds for that very reason.

Anyone who doesn't agree that BB is completely inept at his job (Lombardi, Chatham) is worthless, anyone who thinks Tom was the only reason they won (Cowturd, Rex Ryan) are geniuses... some real Mensa members in Patriot nation.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

You should read what you wrote. Maybe that will clear it up.

Hint: BB isn't some helpless, clueless over-matched serf when it comes to QB development.

Ice_Ice_ Brady is jumping on your bandwagon......you might want to check the clueless meter on your posting.

Next time, buy a higher quality ceiling rafter that won't collapse with your weight + rope.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

We're back to BB gets no credit for drafting Tom... it was the QB coach he just hired and specifically sent to scout two college QB's from the entire draft class coming out that year in Rattay and Brady... laughable. I guess BB also didn't roster four QB's that year (unheard of) despite having a 100 million dollar man and fan favorite already on the team.

And yeah, Michael Lomabrdi is a scammer. He worked for Bill Walsh, Al Davis and Belichick but knows nothing about backroom dealings on NFL teams. The reason we know this is he cautioned against drafting DK Metcalf with the first pick... a guy who broke his f-ing neck six months prior to the draft and that 32 teams passed on for two rounds for that very reason.

Anyone who doesn't agree that BB is completely inept at his job (Lombardi, Chatham) is worthless, anyone who think s Tom was the only reason they won (Cowturd, Rex Ryan) are geniuses... some real Mensa members in Patriot nation.

I don't dislike Lombardi because of homerism or whatever... I dislike him for the reason you cited in the second paragraph. He's a guy who insinuates he has insider information, or that he's brought into team discussions, when in fact he's just guessing about everything and milking his status with: I worked for Bill in the past, so I'm familiar with his line of thinking. This must be what he thinks!

Chatham and other cheerleaders can have their opinion; I don't have to agree with them on everything, but at least they're not posing as having direct knowledge of something when they don't.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

I don't think it's necessarily a "Mac learns from Cam" thing as much as it is getting used to the rhythm of the NFL from week to week. It's the first time in your life you'll be in a regular NFL season schedule. Practice, film study, pre-game prep, the mental toughness throughout the ebbs and flows of a game. What do you expect to do on the sidelines as the starting QB, what are the coaches doing with you while the defense is on field? How do you wrap up a game and go home, the plane rides. It's really in my opinion, as a non-professional athlete but human who relies on a schedule and a pattern, getting used to all the little things before kickoff and after the final whistle more than it is "Can I learn what a cover 2 is by watching Cam Newton from the sideline on gameday?"