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Patriots-Eagles Joint Practice (8/17)

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Perhaps it's just what I do But I see your point. It's not so much that we need to think of it as a good development in a vacuum, like they should be happy with what their choices are. Just that when you're looking at it, there ARE things that these players do well and bring to the table. So while you wish the total value was higher, it's more than just suck vs. suck. I would also say that, while there are some teams with better WR4 situations than this, there aren't many. Most teams have to make some pretty non-optimal choices once you start getting to those parts of the roster.

If the TE's aren't back for week 1 (or not at 100% at least) I honestly think the best case scenario that can come from this is Harry makes the team and Wilkerson goes to the practice squad. Harry plays a red zone role and catches a couple TD's. Once Henry and Smith are back up to speed, you trade Harry before the deadline because he's actually shown SOMETHING and you get reasonable value for him. Wilkerson can then be promoted and you've got the TE's for their traditional red zone roles and Wilkerson can slot in wherever he's ready.

A lot has to go right in that above scenario obviously but hey, I said it was the "best" case.
If Harry does prove himself in that scenario, I might rather just keep him. I don't have a ton of trust in our expensive new tight ends, especially Henry. Just been too injury prone in what is admittedly a small sample size this year, and wasn't really standing out according to reports when he was healthy. At least we know Jonnu has nice moves with the ball in his hands, so I feel better about him.
 
If Harry does prove himself in that scenario, I might rather just keep him. I don't have a ton of trust in our expensive new tight ends, especially Henry. Just been too injury prone in what is admittedly a small sample size this year, and wasn't really standing out according to reports when he was healthy. At least we know Jonnu has nice moves with the ball in his hands, so I feel better about him.

I have more faith in the TE's than you, but your concerns are not unfounded. Fingers crossed for some health luck for once this year.

Turning 26 soon, I don't feel very young anymore.

I didn't feel young at 26 either. Then I hit 40 and thought, "Damn was I young when I was 26..." And yes, old people on this board, I KNOW that 40 is young to you too. We get it. You all old
 
I didn't feel young at 26 either. Then I hit 40 and thought, "Damn was I young when I was 26..." And yes, old people on this board, I KNOW that 40 is young to you too. We get it. You all old
when I was 26 I looked at my lifestyle and figured I had a rock star’s life expectancy (28 +/-). So by 40 I felt like I’m playing with house money. And still beating the actuarial odds three decades later.

I once met a guy who literally did not know how old he was. Backstory was he was born on a reservation enough years ago to have fought in WW2. We met at my first Burning Man, in 2004. Made me realize age is just a number. How would he react to being to “act your age”? what would it mean if he said “I’m feeling my age”?

Still doing my best to prove YOLO but you can be immature at any age!
 
I have not read through these 12 pages so forgive me if this has been talked about, but our secondary will be abused without Gilmore. Mills is too slow and Jackson is a 2. TE centric teams like the Eagles are also going to abuse us as well. I have been reading/hearing that Hurts has been running on as well.
 
Good article by Zach- 8 things we learned from the joint practices with the Eagles:


1. There’s still no answer to the quarterback question
Neither Cam Newton nor Mac Jones separated himself in the Patriots’ most important and highly scrutinized roster battle. Jones was the better passer on Day 1, but not by a significant margin. Newton turned in a near-perfect statistical performance the following day, despite some gripes about his checkdowns. Jones opened the second joint practice with a horrid interception but quickly rebounded, completing every one of his passes thereafter. Across the two days, Newton saw the majority of reps with the first-team offensive line and against Philadelphia’s top defense, though Jones received a share of those, as well. Both remain in QB1 contention. But with 15 practices and one preseason game in the books, this race still is too close to call.

2. The tight end group is in rough shape
The Patriots practiced with just one tight end (Devin Asiasi) on Tuesday. That’s almost unheard of at this point in the NFL calendar. Asiasi likely will be the only active tight end Thursday night, too, as Hunter Henry (shoulder), Jonnu Smith (ankle) and Matt LaCosse (undisclosed) recover from injuries. That’s a big opportunity for the 2020 third-round pick, who managed just two catches as a rookie last season and missed the start of training camp after testing positive for COVID-19. The Patriots released roster long shots David Wells and Troy Fumagalli this week.

3. Rotating at running back
The Patriots ditched the first team/second team divide among their running backs this week, giving all six of them (Damien Harris, James White, Sony Michel, Brandon Bolden, Rhamondre Stevenson and J.J. Taylor) reps with the starting offense. Teams rarely carry more than five running backs on a 53-man roster, so one member of this group likely will be gone by Week 1.

4. No surprises in the receiving corps
Kendrick Bourne let slip over the weekend that the Patriots plan to use him, Nelson Agholor and Jakobi Meyers as their top three receivers to open the season. That’s no surprise. Meyers and Bourne (in that order) have been the Patriots’ most consistent wideouts in camp, and Agholor brings a dangerous vertical element that no other New England receiver can replicate. The expensive ex-Eagle enjoyed his best practice in weeks Monday in his return to Philadelphia, though he had some issues with drops in 1-on-1 drills during both sessions. Bourne appeared to botch a route Monday, leading to a Jones incompletion, but otherwise was involved and productive. Meyers continues to be the team’s most reliable target, with his six catches in 7-on-7s Tuesday nearly equaling all other wideouts’ combined total of eight.

5. A concerning lack of depth at cornerback
When everyone’s healthy, the Patriots have a rock-solid cornerback trio of Stephon Gilmore and J.C. Jackson on the outside and Jonathan Jones in the slot. But the depth behind them is shaky at best. With Gilmore and Jones both out of practice Tuesday, New England’s top three was Jackson and Joejuan Williams on the outside and Jalen Mills in the slot. Mills, who’s probably best-suited for a multipositional Swiss Army knife role, has spent most of the summer filling in for Gilmore on the perimeter. Williams isn’t even a lock to make the roster. It’s still unclear when Gilmore will be back in the mix, assuming he and the Patriots can come to terms on some sort a contract adjustment. The Patriots might want to look for outside reinforcements here before the regular season begins.

6. Matt Judon looks as advertised
The Pro Bowl edge rusher was a major problem for Philadelphia’s offense Monday, finishing with a pick-six, multiple sacks and at least one tackle for loss. He was similarly disruptive in his cameo appearance against Washington in last week’s preseason opener. It’s early, but Judon looks worthy of the $54.5 million investment so far.

7. Christian Barmore should contribute
A nagging foot injury has limited Barmore this summer, but the rookie defensive tackle saw his rep count rise this week with Lawrence Guy sidelined. Barmore should see a fair amount of playing time this season, even if he likely won’t open the year as a starter. The big Alabama product been a pain for opponents to deal with in O-line/D-line 1-on-1s and has more than held his own in full-team settings.

8. The Kristian Wilkerson hype train is slowing
Wilkerson was one of the early risers in training camp, but his hands are threatening to keep him off the 53-man roster. Each joint practice featured one egregious drop by the young wideout, who also had a touchdown pass slip through his hands in last Thursday’s preseason game. Wilkerson has dropped a total of four passes over the Patriots’ last four competitive practices, and he’s struggled to create separation, leading to frequent pass breakups. He could wind up being this year’s version of Maurice Harris, who flamed out after a torrid start to camp in 2019.

#s 2, 4, 5 & 8 are concerns some of us here have had for a while now.
 
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Poor timing, Socci. We won't see Tyree Jackson tomorrow after all.
 
And even if it is not a real thing, it is a fun thing. Andy has a great mind and is wonderful at formations and strategy, but is lacking in understanding the more subtle "fun" postings.

Don’t be shy. What, exactly, are you trying to say here?

Turning 26 soon, I don't feel very young anymore.

You probably have me on ignore, but I’ll ask anyway. Are we still a virgin? Or did you finally shed goo and get that monkey off your back?
 
I have more faith in the TE's than you, but your concerns are not unfounded. Fingers crossed for some health luck for once this year.



I didn't feel young at 26 either. Then I hit 40 and thought, "Damn was I young when I was 26..." And yes, old people on this board, I KNOW that 40 is young to you too. We get it. You all old
Yes we is.
 
Turning 26 soon, I don't feel very young anymore.
uh....a little wisdom from your ol' Unca Joe. I don't remember 56...never mind 26. All I know is 26 was between 24 and 30 and seemed like a month. Thought I was getting "old" too. Found out what "getting old" was in my forties. Be happy your 26 and you still have a sackful of spermatozoa to drown HER sorrows in...
 
when I was 26 I looked at my lifestyle and figured I had a rock star’s life expectancy (28 +/-). So by 40 I felt like I’m playing with house money. And still beating the actuarial odds three decades later.

I once met a guy who literally did not know how old he was. Backstory was he was born on a reservation enough years ago to have fought in WW2. We met at my first Burning Man, in 2004. Made me realize age is just a number. How would he react to being to “act your age”? what would it mean if he said “I’m feeling my age”?

Still doing my best to prove YOLO but you can be immature at any age!
My early and mid 20s were nothing but a constant fog of alcohol, crazyness, a few classes, and the certainty that I wouldn't make it to 30.
 
-OL physicality
-Barmore
-Asiasi
-Nordin consistency
-Will BB have his “guns” out (iykyk..)

 
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