Patriots-Eagles Joint Practice (8/17)

[Kontradiction]

Just once, I'd appreciate the reporters making evaluations based on the team versus just individuals. The Patriots historically are not built solely on the premiere athletes - and the drill excerpts the media highlights are often "one on one" or other athletically-skewed observations.

Things like how is the OL gelling - are they able to pass off rushers, pull effectively, etc? How about the DL - are they stunting/moving at all or is it all just straight one-on-one rushes? How are they holding the point of attack? Are they able to effectively two-gap allowing the LBs to flow to the ball freely without having an OL in their face?

How about zone versus man coverage types and their relatively fluidity across the UNIT not just the individual? Are they passing off pass catchers as they cross to limit gains? Sealing zone gaps?

How are they rallying to the ball? Keeping the play in front of them?

Ultimately, this remains a team game, but all we get is "so and so" did this or that. Some of us (probably not many which answers my question) understand that the nuance behind the surface observation is likely the huge difference between how well or poorly this Patriot team may do this year.

I'm likely a minority and asking too much however.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Sicilian]

Just once, I'd appreciate the reporters making evaluations based on the team versus just individuals. The Patriots historically are not built solely on the premiere athletes - and the drill excerpts the media highlights are often "one on one" or other athletically-skewed observations.

Things like how is the OL gelling - are they able to pass off rushers, pull effectively, etc? How about the DL - are they stunting/moving at all or is it all just straight one-on-one rushes? How are they holding the point of attack? Are they able to effectively two-gap allowing the LBs to flow to the ball freely without having an OL in their face?

How about zone versus man coverage types and their relatively fluidity across the UNIT not just the individual? Are they passing off pass catchers as they cross to limit gains? Sealing zone gaps?

How are they rallying to the ball? Keeping the play in front of them?

Ultimately, this remains a team game, but all we get is "so and so" did this or that. Some of us (probably not many which answers my question) understand that the nuance behind the surface observation is likely the huge difference between how well or poorly this Patriot team may do this year.

I'm likely a minority and asking too much however.

I agree, though I think some of what you're asking for is either not a comfort zone for a lot of guys at camp (whereas it's easier to say who won a 1-on-1 definitively), or just hard to evaluate from the sideline without looking at tape afterwards.

 

[borg]

Just once, I'd appreciate the reporters making evaluations based on the team versus just individuals. The Patriots historically are not built solely on the premiere athletes - and the drill excerpts the media highlights are often "one on one" or other athletically-skewed observations.

Things like how is the OL gelling - are they able to pass off rushers, pull effectively, etc? How about the DL - are they stunting/moving at all or is it all just straight one-on-one rushes? How are they holding the point of attack? Are they able to effectively two-gap allowing the LBs to flow to the ball freely without having an OL in their face?

How about zone versus man coverage types and their relatively fluidity across the UNIT not just the individual? Are they passing off pass catchers as they cross to limit gains? Sealing zone gaps?

How are they rallying to the ball? Keeping the play in front of them?

Ultimately, this remains a team game, but all we get is "so and so" did this or that. Some of us (probably not many which answers my question) understand that the nuance behind the surface observation is likely the huge difference between how well or poorly this Patriot team may do this year.

I'm likely a minority and asking too much however.

Groupings aren't battling for 53 jobs, individuals are....it's that time of year

 

[Uptown]

Slightly OT:

 

[Uptown]

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Tough because he's in a crowded EDGE group: Judon, Van Noy, Uche, Wino, Perkins. So unless he gets back soon and/or earns some reps at ILB, he's in a tough spot.

Winovich too . Winovich, Jennings, Bentley better watch out.

 

[reflexblue]

Beat me to it. I figured Bill for a couple plates for sure.

BBs just warming up

 

[patfanken]

Beat me to it. I figured Bill for a couple plates for sure.

Christ the guy is 69 years old. I'd like to see you even AT a gym at 69 (though at 74 I bench 135 three sets of 20 and NEVER squat. I walk for leg strength ) Here's the thing. The best way to lift ESPECIALLY when you get older is light weights doing 15-20 reps.

I ask kids at the gym "what is the PURPOSE of the lift you are trying to do?" And they tell me things like, "to get stronger" etc. But that is wrong. That is the GOAL of lifting, not the purpose. The PURPOSE of any lift is to fatigue the muscle to failure. Ideally it would be struggling to lift 5lbs. But that would take too long and be kind of psychotic . Doing heavy weights doesn't fully do the job. Benching 225 a few times makes me feel good, but that's just ego, I'm not improving my muscle strength.

That being said, I lost a LOT of strength during the pandemic and still more because I can't go back to the gym yet (medical situation). As to Bill squatting with just 95lbs, you would need to know how many reps he was going to do, and I bet it wasn't one.

 

[Uptown]

 

[203Pat]

It wouldn't be training camp without the "Sony is getting involved in the passing game" tweets. Fast forward 5 months and he has 9 catches for 95 yards.

 

[Uptown]

 

[203Pat]

First that kid at Cam's camp now this guy.

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

Covering TE appear to be the only real wart on the defense this year?

 

[SlowGettingUp]

The PURPOSE of any lift is to fatigue the muscle to failure.

I have a hack that works well for me as I've aged. We have a weight machine at home, and I lift a moderate weight until I struggle a bit, quickly reduce the weight 10 lbs, and repeat. So I can fail multiple times (typically 4 or more) while still keeping good form and avoiding the risk of injury. It feels really weird near the end when my muscles are so fatigued I can only do five reps with a weight not much more than half of what I started with. I keep reducing the weight until I can easily do 10 reps again.

 

[Steve102]

He'll be 70 soon. I respect the effort.

. . . real lifts start at three plates, though.

If I’m being serious, 95 pounds isn’t bad for a man his age. The fact that his knees can hold up is a good sign.

BBs just warming up

Christ the guy is 69 years old. I'd like to see you even AT a gym at 69 (though at 74 I bench 135 three sets of 20 and NEVER squat. I walk for leg strength ) Here's the thing. The best way to lift ESPECIALLY when you get older is light weights doing 15-20 reps.

I ask kids at the gym "what is the PURPOSE of the lift you are trying to do?" And they tell me things like, "to get stronger" etc. But that is wrong. That is the GOAL of lifting, not the purpose. The PURPOSE of any lift is to fatigue the muscle to failure. Ideally it would be struggling to lift 5lbs. But that would take too long and be kind of psychotic . Doing heavy weights doesn't fully do the job. Benching 225 a few times makes me feel good, but that's just ego, I'm not improving my muscle strength.

That being said, I lost a LOT of strength during the pandemic and still more because I can't go back to the gym yet (medical situation). As to Bill squatting with just 95lbs, you would need to know how many reps he was going to do, and I bet it wasn't one.

Bill is a thick guy. I assumed he lifted hard. I'm not throwing shade at the man. I had an epiphany regarding my health and fitness about 6-7 years ago. I have added muscle and learned how it works over 50+ years of age. Lift to failure=added muscle over 50. I don't do that much now, because I am just trying to maintain and improve over all fitness.

@reflexblue You bet your azz he had 3x45 on there as soon as the phone was put away.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

 

[Rob0729]

I know he is basically the same exact size as Legarrette Blount, but I guess he seems smaller than I thought Blount was. Don't get me wrong, he is a beast in size compared to most RBs. I guess I was expecting him to be bigger for some reason. I guess memories get distorted over time.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Uptown]

I know he is basically the same exact size as Legarrette Blount, but I guess he seems smaller than I thought Blount was. Don't get me wrong, he is a beast in size compared to most RBs. I guess I was expecting him to be bigger for some reason. I guess memories get distorted over time.

His weight seems to vary on various sites. 231…246…221 etc. No clarity. I believe LG’s weight varied throughout his career as well, but he maxed out somewhere between 250-260. Either way, I’m excited for the “Rham.” (Credit: @KontradictioN)