PATRIOTS TRAINING CAMP Day 11 Training Camp Thread - Monday August 9th

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

it's becoming easier and easier to spot the schills on the forum

It is easy to spot serial rudeness and to put such ***holes on ignore. You are in a select group of, I think, 2 people in a decade making my list, as of my next click....

 

[RobertWeathers]

True, this would seem to be a good case to use it again but I don't think they need to. Pats are in good shape with the cap. and it's only going up from here for the next few years.

They are sitting at ~$9m in space and ~$24m projected next year but based on the quick math/guesses that might hit $40m. They may want flexibly and add a big name this year. Tough to call. Maybe they might want to snare a few $ and extend someone. Jackson?

Point is it's impossible to accurately predict how the cap dollars trickle down from year to year let alone what is a possibility with Gilly.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Ring 6]

My impression is BB looks for different things which are not "countable" in stats, stats for itself have also their own story, you can polish your stats if you want to impress and live for stats like Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees, whats important is:
- can you read the defense?
- can you adjust on the fly?
- do you make smart decision on the field?
- are you fast in taking this decisions?
- are you learning from your mistakes or are you repeating it all over again?

currently the only thing that is in Cams favour is (perhaps his leadership) and mainly his experience compared to the rookie Mac, everything else they are at least on same level or Mac is already ahead of Cam

I’d argue that the QB I watched play last year processed the Qb position, reads, decision making, timing, speed of progressions, decision about what “open” means worse than a rookie.
Jones would have to be a below average rookie in those areas to be behind newton

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah and dig deeper you find Cam faced 1st team elite defense and Mac is playing against Ja'Juan f'ing Williams instead of Devin McCourty. And Every other position too

While that’s not really true, IF it were true he would also have been doing it with backup weapons.

 

[Pats2000]

This is absolutely right. Problem is a rookie QB has absolutely zero precedence of doing anything in terms of rings. And I don't feel like wasting the last best year together of our big3 defensive vete makes sense on a lost season.

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So your solution is to go with the 10 year vet that has no rings and has slower offensive cognition?

 

[Ross12]

And he is coming off an injury and might not ever be the same. A 3 year deal at this time is a bit crazy.

Yeah, I’m just saying what I would like to see personally. I’m just some idiot on a fan forum, lol. Obviously the team will make a far more informed decision on the matter. I expect they know the extent of his injury well by now.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

This is absolutely right. Problem is a rookie QB has absolutely zero precedence of doing anything in terms of rings. And I don't feel like wasting the last best year together of our big3 defensive vete makes sense on a lost season.

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Oh yeah because Cam Newton will bring us a ring!

 

[FearNo.1]

I’d argue that the QB I watched play last year processed the Qb position, reads, decision making, timing, speed of progressions, decision about what “open” means worse than a rookie.
Jones would have to be a below average rookie in those areas to be behind newton

It's funny how you arm chair GMs who watch the games in the heat of the moment think you have a clue what you're talking about. Go back and watch the coaches film from last year and you might actually see the crap sandwich Cam had to work with last year. I know the "hipster" thing to do around here is bash him and say he isn't a legit starting NFL Qb but if you actually took the time to research what it was you're talking about you'd undoubtedly be wrong and you might JUST MIGHT learn something in the process.

Educate yourself.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Oh yeah because Cam Newton will bring us a ring!

Former NFL league MVP, has been to a Superbowl once before, former Heisman Winner, yeah I'll take my chances on him having a comeback and Bill is giving him first dibs.
Sorry that he doesn't look the part for you. But, for Boston I get it....

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[Lagaffe_07]

It's funny how you arm chair GMs who watch the games in the heat of the moment think you have a clue what you're talking about. Go back and watch the coaches film from last year and you might actually see the crap sandwich Cam had to work with last year. I know the "hipster" thing to do around here is bash him and say he isn't a legit starting NFL Qb but if you actually took the time to research what it was you're talking about you'd undoubtedly be wrong and you might JUST MIGHT learn something in the process.

Educate yourself.

Keep living in fantasy land.

There is not enough play where it’s not Cam fault that they had to include the Asiasi play and make it look like it was the TE fault. That throw was horrible! A bullet threw behind and at Asiasi head.

Honestly last year Cam made the receiver look bad more than the other way around.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Former NFL league MVP, has been to a Superbowl once before, former Heisman Winner, yeah I'll take my chances on him having a comeback and Bill is giving him first dibs.
Sorry that he doesn't look the part for you. But, for Boston I get it....

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And yet, with all that, he doesn’t look better than a rookie QB in his first training camp.

His MVP season has been an outlier. He has been an average QB all of his career in the NFL. The guy relied only on his physical ability. He is not a good consistent passer, can’t process defense fast enough. My god, last year James White had to recognize blitz for him.

I’ll take my chances with the rookie.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

And yet, with all that, he doesn’t look better than a rookie QB in his first training camp.

His MVP season has been an outlier. He has been an average QB all of his career in the NFL. The guy relied only on his physical ability. He is not a good consistent passer, can’t process defense fast enough. My god, last year James White had to recognize blitz for him.

I’ll take my chances with the rookie.

A lot of really bad exaggeration. Tom Brady the goat himself only averaged 17 points per game his last season as a Patriot after AB was cut through playoff exit. The personnel was terrible. And covid fog is a real thing, Cam getting that last year was real bad luck but a real thing. Pretty ridiculous you're saying a guy's NFL MVP award was a fluke. But again, par for the course for Boston.

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[Deus Irae]

It's funny how you arm chair GMs who watch the games in the heat of the moment think you have a clue what you're talking about. Go back and watch the coaches film from last year and you might actually see the crap sandwich Cam had to work with last year. I know the "hipster" thing to do around here is bash him and say he isn't a legit starting NFL Qb but if you actually took the time to research what it was you're talking about you'd undoubtedly be wrong and you might JUST MIGHT learn something in the process.

Educate yourself.

You should offer such counsel to all the actual, titled, GMs and personnel men in the NFL who did not jump at the opportunity to grab such a QB who was making a pittance for a starter. I'm sure that once they know who you are, they'll immediately see the error of their ways. Perhaps we might even be amused by a late scramble of GMs begging BB to allow them the privilege of trading for Cam even now. We could see the Brady 2020 season repeat itself, but with a different quarterback.

 

[masterbouncer]

You know what you get when you do the things you listed? Stats.

BB just has stats that he values more which may not be mainstream.

yes, you can create stats for it, but what I wanted to say is, BB is not sitting in his basement reading camp stats and deciding if he will start Cam or Mac, its more on what he and McDaniels see and feel on the field when they are out, not solely based on camp completion % and INT both have, else Mac should be ahead if BB wouldn't value experience more

I’d argue that the QB I watched play last year processed the Qb position, reads, decision making, timing, speed of progressions, decision about what “open” means worse than a rookie.
Jones would have to be a below average rookie in those areas to be behind newton

Completely agree, thats why, at least for me, Cam is only ahead of Mac when it comes to NFL experience (and perhaps leadership), but thats actually it, everything else what comes with QBing, he is on the same level or below Mac

 

[mgcolby]

Yeah and dig deeper you find Cam faced 1st team elite defense and Mac is playing against Ja'Juan f'ing Williams instead of Devin McCourty. And Every other position too

Are you reading the reports? Both have gone against the one's and the backups. Mac has faced the 1's (from what I can tell) with offensive 2's fairly often. I am unaware of Cam getting reps with the O 2's vs the D 1's. I have not read a single report of that happening. If they are out there, and I am not saying they are not, just that I have not read a single report of Cam taking QB2 reps with essentially the scout offense.

All of Cam's reps are as QB1 and the same cannot be said for Mac.

 

[mgcolby]

This is absolutely right. Problem is a rookie QB has absolutely zero precedence of doing anything in terms of rings. And I don't feel like wasting the last best year together of our big3 defensive vete makes sense on a lost season.

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You think this team has a chance to win a ring with Cam? Seriously?

 

[masterbouncer]

You think this team has a chance to win a ring with Cam? Seriously?

yeah because in 1920 Cam won the MVP popular vote , this makes him a great QB in 2021

 

[mgcolby]

It's funny how you arm chair GMs who watch the games in the heat of the moment think you have a clue what you're talking about. Go back and watch the coaches film from last year and you might actually see the crap sandwich Cam had to work with last year. I know the "hipster" thing to do around here is bash him and say he isn't a legit starting NFL Qb but if you actually took the time to research what it was you're talking about you'd undoubtedly be wrong and you might JUST MIGHT learn something in the process.

Educate yourself.

How about you educate us? I watch the all 22 of every Pats game and some others that peak my curiosity.

And looking beyond that, what has he done thus far in camp to show his play, command of the offense and quick read decision making has improved with a much improved roster?

In fact, by all reports he is far behind a rookie that just showed up in May all of those categories.

So please, layout the film and educate us. Show similar plays from the all 22 from last year and this TC and show and break down his reads, technique and timing (both decision and release). Show us the improvement. Definitely want to see how his footwork has improved.

I enjoy learning football. Coached it for 12 years.

 

[BobDigital]

Yeah and dig deeper you find Cam faced 1st team elite defense and Mac is playing against Ja'Juan f'ing Williams instead of Devin McCourty. And Every other position too

I wonder what would happen if sacks were a thing. There have been reports thar cam has held on to the ball longer compared to Mac. Did he make completions that he otherwise wouldn't because of that?

As far as the defenses they played. From what ive read it's over all been pretty close to the same level. In any case im not worried about it. As long as Mac is even close to Cam right now that's a win considering he hasn't even gotten the experience of a preseason game yet. Plenty of time for mac to grow more. Cam won't be improving at this point sadly.