N’Keal Harry Updates.

[Tony2046]

M'kay

 

[Tony2046]

man plz this board* ate him up.

“he can die of syphilis”, one said

I wish he wasn't cut but it's not like AB wasn't complicit.

 

[TheRainMaker]

man plz this board* ate him up.

“he can die of syphilis”, one said

Many on the board didn’t like him when he arrived which is understandable - he’s an odd ball.

However, those people ran with the narrative of him “threatening” that woman (which he did not) to justify Kraft’s overreaction.

Maybe Tom gives the Pats a pass had they waited to see if the NFL would suspend him (which I highly doubt since they still haven’t found anything).

Getting released for texting his friends for making fun of a “broke” single mom was quite hilarious. The only “threat” he made to her was that he was going to dig up dirt on her to make her look less credible. People are too lazy to actually read the text and really think that he took a picture of her and her kids. In fact, you can clearly see he got it from her public Instagram account. Media did a great job fooling people.

 

[jmt57]

The NFL suspended Antonio Brown for eight weeks after he was released by the Patriots.

That was going to happen regardless of whether or not the Pats did or did not cut him. I am more inclined to believe the penalty would have been longer had the Patriots kept him on the roster.

Some on this thread don't seem to be able to accept that, and live in a make believe world where AB would have played the entire season for the Pats.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

The NFL suspended Antonio Brown for eight weeks after he was released by the Patriots.

That was going to happen regardless of whether or not the Pats did or did not cut him. I am more inclined to believe the penalty would have been longer had the Patriots kept him on the roster.

Some on this thread don't seem to be able to accept that, and live in a make believe world where AB would have played the entire season for the Pats.

I’m not disagreeing with you that AB was probably toast for 2020, regardless of what the Pats did, but…

1. Releasing him had zero pragmatic roster value. Is it possible he would have returned? It’s possible, even if not likely. He would have had NFLPA representation as an active player and might have have had the union put pressure on the league to complete the investigation. Instead, he had to wait a year for a team to sign him so he could then begin his suspension. But the key here is the Patriots would have been able to carry Brown along with 53 other guys due to the roster exemption.

Why does that roster exemption exist for players being investigated? EXACTLY FOR THIS REASON. It exists so teams can keep rights to the player while the disciplinary issues and punishment is resolved.

2. Releasing AB created an accelerated cap hit into 2019, rather than being able to spread out the hit into 2019 and 2020, as the contract was structured. Belichick was okay with the risk of AB busting…about $5M in each year. However, the release created a $10M hit in 2019.

Why is that relevant? For one, it’s been reported the Patriots preferred to trade for Emmanuel Sanders at the trade deadline, but they had almost no cap room. They could barely even fit Sanu under the cap.

3. I can’t get too far into Brady because we’re into speculation and not facts. But there’s reason for the speculation. It was such a backstabbing move by Kraft after Brady said he wanted to work with AB. There’s so much smoke here…Brady was vocally upset,
publicly upset, about his receivers. Who did he lobby for in Tampa Bay? It wasn’t just Brady. Belichick was clearly pissed when he told the press they’d “have to ask Bob” about releasing AB. That’s not a Belichick answer. “Best interest of the team”? Doesn’t seem Belichick could even pretend this time.

 

[Deus Irae]

The NFL suspended Antonio Brown for eight weeks after he was released by the Patriots.

That was going to happen regardless of whether or not the Pats did or did not cut him. I am more inclined to believe the penalty would have been longer had the Patriots kept him on the roster.

Some on this thread don't seem to be able to accept that, and live in a make believe world where AB would have played the entire season for the Pats.

But you're tossing out what's nothing but a guess about how a penalty would have shaken out, and you're talking about others living in a make believe world. How is that a fair analysis?

 

[jmt57]

But you're tossing out what's nothing but a guess about how a penalty would have shaken out, and you're talking about others living in a make believe world. How is that a fair analysis?

Yes, it is indeed a guess. A guess based on how 345 Park Avenue has operated over the years.

My guess based on that history is that AB would not have been available to play for the Patriots at any time in 2020 for the rest of 2019.

What would the most likely outcome have been? Occam's Razor says that AB's 2020 2019 stat line would have been the same, regardless.

 

[Deus Irae]

Yes, it is indeed a guess. A guess based on how 345 Park Avenue has operated over the years.

My guess based on that history is that AB would not have been available to play for the Patriots at any time in 2020.

What would the most likely outcome have been? Occam's Razor says that AB's 2020 stat line would have been the same, regardless.

The most likely outcome would have been him playing the next game.

 

[captain stone]

The NFL suspended Antonio Brown for eight weeks after he was released by the Patriots.

That was going to happen regardless of whether or not the Pats did or did not cut him. I am more inclined to believe the penalty would have been longer had the Patriots kept him on the roster.

Some on this thread don't seem to be able to accept that, and live in a make believe world where AB would have played the entire season for the Pats.

You're inclined to believe something, which is of course your right, but then determine that everyone else should accept that belief? Huh? And are you referring to the 2019 or '20 seasons?


This is what should've happened in 2019:

The Early Bird stays out of Jupiter FLA;

Kraft informs the league that AB will remain a game-day active for the Patriots until the league decides to suspend him;

League then suspends AB for 8 games;

AB is again a game-day active by Christmas, and helps defeat Eric Rowe & Fluck Fo in week 17 to secure the #2 seed and a bye;

I enjoy my January 2nd-9th holiday in Aruba much, Much better...

 

[‘Mondre]

The NFL suspended Antonio Brown for eight weeks after he was released by the Patriots.

That was going to happen regardless of whether or not the Pats did or did not cut him. I am more inclined to believe the penalty would have been longer had the Patriots kept him on the roster.

Some on this thread don't seem to be able to accept that, and live in a make believe world where AB would have played the entire season for the Pats.

So what does that have to do with him being on the team last year?

 

[‘Mondre]

Many on the board didn’t like him when he arrived which is understandable - he’s an odd

ball.

most creative use of the t word or d word I’ve ever seen. Lotsa ppl didn’t like gronk when he... oh wait. Lotsa ppl didn’t like Wes whe... well nvm.

letting the patriot way/idealization stuff get in the way of us keeping talent.

remember chandler Jones smoking fake weed? We could’ve used him. Maybe we don’t go out and get judon.

 

[moosekill]

I loved getting AB and defended him against 3/4 of the board here when they signed him. However, when he went off the rails on that woman, I realized the time had come. The Brady Bunch is changing history a bit. The posts were overwhelmingly get rid of the bum, and I can't believe they signed him when he showed up. Then when the final straw happened and they cut him, the Brady Bunch came out in force to call Bill an idiot, and Kraft a hypocrite. However, they were certainly the minority at the time. Now it is just the same 5-6 posters who bash everything the Patriots do complaining about it once again.

 

[jmt57]

So what does that have to do with him being on the team last year?

Typo.

2019.

 

[jmt57]

You're inclined to believe something, which is of course your right, but then determine that everyone else should accept that belief? Huh? And are you referring to the 2019 or '20 seasons?

Typo.

2019.

This is what should've happened in 2019:

The Early Bird stays out of Jupiter FLA;

Agree.

Kraft informs the league that AB will remain a game-day active for the Patriots until the league decides to suspend him;

Agree 100%. The League should be making that decision, not the team. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if we were to find out that the league called Bob up and told him to be a team player and suspend AB.

League then suspends AB for 8 games;

With all due respect our opinions differ here. Based on (a) it being the Patriots, (b) how the NFL handled Adrian Peterson (indefinite suspension, overturned by judge three months later), Ray Rice (indefinite suspension, overturned by judge three months later), (c) public attitude about sexual misconduct and domestic violence, and (d) the NFL's eagerness to avoid potential negative controversy about its brand, IMHO he is suspended for a longer time if they had to make a decision in September. I think they took the 15 games he already lost into consideration when they decided to give him an eight game suspension. More importantly, public scrutiny about AB had withered by that point.

Oh yeah, again - let's not forget that we are talking about the NFL determining the suspension of a New England Patriot player here.

AB is again a game-day active by Christmas, and helps defeat Eric Rowe & Fluck Fo in week 17 to secure the #2 seed and a bye;

That certainly would have been nice.

I enjoy my January 2nd-9th holiday in Aruba much, Much better...

Hopefully you were able to enjoy to the fullest regardless.

 

[jimnance]

I’m also struggling to see how that helps with the flaws in his game. There are many of them, but his hands haven’t ever really been one of them. Work on your cuts, using your body to create separation at the break point, explosiveness, and releasing from press. He’s more worried about his social media personality than he is improving as a football player.

And all the flaws you cited were major strengths of Edelman's. You'd think No'Klew would have picked up something from JE- even just by osmosis.

 

[TheRainMaker]

However, when he went off the rails on that woman, I realized the time had come.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if we were to find out that the league called Bob up and told him to be a team player and suspend AB.

What’s funny was that Tyrek Hill verbally threatens the mother of his child that she “should be very afraid of him” and calls her derogatory names. He also admits to punching his son in the chest. Nothing happens. And keep in mind, this was before AB’s mess.

As long as the league didn’t ask the Chefs to do anything, they were never going to release him. They drew the line with Hunt.

Brown makes fun of a woman for being a broke single mother and his a** was out of there. I highly doubt the NFL asked Bob to release him as he’d be doing the NFL another solid. Why would Bob want to do anything for the NFL?

And why the hell was Brown even suspended in 2020? Nothing still has been proven against him.

 

[TheRainMaker]

And all the flaws you cited were major strengths of Edelman's. You'd think No'Klew would have picked up something from JE- even just by osmosis.

Because as we’ve seen, he just doesn’t care.

 

[Wozzy]

AB threatened a single mother and her children on social media and then had a rape charge hanging over his head. He would have been suspended the remainder of 2019 had the Pats not cut him when they did... they recouped some money in 2020 because they did the right thing.

Need proof... he didn't play a single game the remainder of 2019 because teams knew he would be suspended if they signed him, then he didn't play half of 2020 until his legal issues were cleared up.

Is this where we are now, re-imaging how the Pats handled AB because we want to lash out at the franchise/Bob/Bill for Tom leaving?

Good grief...

#fanboys

 

[DropKickFlutie]

AB threatened a single mother and her children on social media and then had a rape charge hanging over his head. He would have been suspended the remainder of 2019 had the Pats not cut him when they did... they recouped some money in 2020 because they did the right thing.

Need proof... he didn't play a single game the remainder of 2019 because teams knew he would be suspended if they signed him, then he didn't play half of 2020 until his legal issues were cleared up.

Is this where we are now, re-imaging how the Pats handled AB because we want to lash out at the franchise/Bob/Bill for Tom leaving?

Good grief...

Was it butterfly effect though, just curious didn't that event happen after he was cut and further go mentally insane ?

 

[moosekill]

Was it butterfly effect though, just curious didn't that event happen after he was cut and further go mentally insane ?

No he was signed, played a game, everything was great, except for the sexual assault law suit hanging over his head. Then we got the texts to the woman, which lead to him being cut. Haven't thought of this in a while but I think it was a woman who he owed money too, but wouldn't pay. He sent pictures of her kid/kids to all of his buddies mentioning that her kids were obviously not starving, but included her in the text chain. I always figured Bill had let him stay and backed him up but said don't f this up, keep your mouth shut, and he went and did a dumb thing and was gone.