Cassius Marsh still complaining about his time in New England

[Rob0729]

I have no idea how I forgot about that interview. The sunglasses and the turtleneck lol.

I will never forget that. Or that when he left the stadium right before the game that he stopped at a sausage stand outside of the stadium and bought a sausage on the way home. He was a real turd.

 

[203Pat]

I will never forget that. Or that when he left the stadium right before the game that he stopped at a sausage stand outside of the stadium and bought a sausage on the way home. He was a real turd.

He was definitely an odd guy.

 

[sb1]

I have no idea how I forgot about that interview. The sunglasses and the turtleneck lol.

Yep!

Terry Glenn Interview (1 of 2) - YouTube

 

[RobertWeathers]

I do not hate Cassius Marsh. I wish he would go away. He seems to want people to overlook his performance on the field.

Agree.

My take is he's a laid back guy who is accustomed to being part of teams that were also lax and allowed him certain freedoms.

Gronk was the same way but he obviously did a much better job of compartmentalizing his work/life, blessed with a strong work ethic, wanted to succeed and win badly and respected authority. That's why he lasted here as long as he did.

He'll never admit it but I think Marsh's ego is seriously bruised as it will go on record he could not cut playing for the standard of how excellence in measured in pro football.

He failed here and his career has been undistinguished.

 

[Steve102]

Agree.

My take is he's a laid back guy who is accustomed to being part of teams that were also lax and allowed him certain freedoms.

Gronk was the same way but he obviously did a much better job of compartmentalizing his work/life, blessed with a strong worth ethic, wanted to succeed and win badly and respected authority. That's why he lasted here as long as he did.

He'll never admit it but I think Marsh's ego is seriously bruised as it will go on record he could not cut playing for the standard of how excellence in measured in pro football.

He failed.

I agree with all of this. I think it takes a level of mental toughness and discipline to play for Bill that is challenging for a lot of players. I believe that's why some come here and fail, and others come here, succeed, and leave to get paid. I got my money, that's over with.

 

[Sicilian]

I agree with all of this. I think it takes a level of mental toughness and discipline to play for Bill that is challenging for a lot of players. I believe that's why some come here and fail, and others come here, succeed, and leave to get paid. I got my money, that's over with.

And I think there are pros and cons to both approaches. It's probably easier to find players that fit and buy in to a more lax environment, but when you do find guys that fit a culture like Bill's, they're harder to stop. I think it's similar with the type of offense the Patriots want to run. It may be harder to find skill players that really get it on every level, but once you do, it is much harder to defend because it's so fungible.

 

[Steve102]

And I think there are pros and cons to both approaches. It's probably easier to find players that fit and buy in to a more lax environment, but when you do find guys that fit a culture like Bill's, they're harder to stop. I think it's similar with the type of offense the Patriots want to run. It may be harder to find skill players that really get it on every level, but once you do, it is much harder to defend because it's so fungible.

I think the "fun" environments make for 1-2 championships, after, everyone loses focus. The mental toughness that Bill expects keeps them viable for 4-5 runs.

 

[1960Pats]

There are guys for their play on the field like Jordan Richards, Monty Beisel, Marshall Newhouse, Cyrus Jones, etc but I am trying to think of guys who were a pain in the ass/bad guys and not a ton of former Patriots come to mind. I guess Dominique Easley was a combination of a crappy player and a jerk. Same with Harry who will probably be a former Patriot soon. There are the genuinely bad human beings like Hernandez, and then Winslow and Mingo who had a cup of coffee here but I think everyone hates them. I think Mangini and Samuel are good ones for obvious reasons but rounding out a true top 5 is way harder than I thought.

Just after posting I remembered how much I hated Parcells for the way he left but still respect the fact that him and Drew at least brought some legitimacy to the franchise.

After reading this I remembered how much I still hate Parcells for the way he left and how little respect I have for him. He didn't accomplish anything that hadn't been done before he arrived.

I'll give credit to Parcells for two things. He was great at playing the mediots and picking the right team to take over.

 

[203Pat]

After reading this I remembered how much I still hate Parcells for the way he left and how little respect I have for him. He didn't accomplish anything that hadn't been done before he arrived.

I'll give credit to Parcells for two things. He was great at playing the mediots and picking the right team to take over.

I am 33 so I assume you're older than me but that Super Bowl he took us to (that he was already one foot out the door when he coached in) was when I really started to love football. I had gone to games as a little kid but didn't really pay much attention to what was going on but that super bowl run I was in 5th grade and me and my best friend watched every game that season. It may have been just because I was a little kid but it seemed like no one cared about the Patriots (granted I grew up in CT) until that season so maybe Parcells just gave the franchise legitimacy in my own mind. Even still when he left I loved the Tuna Bowl's that followed and it made that Jets rivalry so much more fun because you loved to hate Parcells.

 

[1960Pats]

I am 33 so I assume you're older than me but that Super Bowl he took us to (that he was already one foot out the door when he coached in) was when I really started to love football. I had gone to games as a little kid but didn't really pay much attention to what was going on but that super bowl run I was in 5th grade and me and my best friend watched every game that season. It may have been just because I was a little kid but it seemed like no one cared about the Patriots (granted I grew up in CT) until that season so maybe Parcells just gave the franchise legitimacy in my own mind. Even still when he left I loved the Tuna Bowl's that followed and it made that Jets rivalry so much more fun because you loved to hate Parcells.

I'm not that much older than you. I'm not even 40 years older yet.

I've seen other Pats fans express the same sentiment as you and I never gave the age difference a thought. I should have.

To me the Pats had as much success in the 60's, 70's and 80's as they did under Tuna Sh!t. The difference is that the 96 Pats had an actual chance at a SB win and the 85 team didn't. The 76 team, the best until the 2000's team, had a near certain SB win but got robbed by Ben Dreith in Oakland.

 

[Froob]

You guys are getting played hard. Cassius just locked up a job for decades on the Sports Hub.

Brilliant, IMO. Though being stuck on the air with Felger and Mazz, is a fate worse than hell.

 

[oldrover]

You guys are getting played hard. Cassius just locked up a job for decades on the Sports Hub.

Brilliant, IMO. Though being stuck on the air with Felger and Mazz, is a fate worse than hell.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I've listened or watched Felger less than 5 times in the last 15 months. It's been most glorious.

On the flip-side, over the past 15 months almost every morning i've watched the news show his wife co-anchors.

The Felgers are unescapable.

 

[PScottman]

The Felgers are unescapable.

Paging Kyle Reese...anyone seen Kyle Reese?

 

[Steve102]

After reading this I remembered how much I still hate Parcells for the way he left and how little respect I have for him. He didn't accomplish anything that hadn't been done before he arrived.

I'll give credit to Parcells for two things. He was great at playing the mediots and picking the right team to take over.

Parcells turned this team around from laughingstock of the NFL to relevant. There's no Lombardis here without him. He taught Kraft not to be a meddlesome owner. What Parcells did at the end was unforgivable, but that doesn't negate fixing what was badly broken under Kiam and Orthwein. Belichick doesn't come here without the Parcells connection.

Paging Kyle Reese...anyone seen Kyle Reese?

Like the father of John Connor Kyle Reese?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Parcells turned this team around from laughingstock of the NFL to relevant. There's no Lombardis here without him. He taught Kraft not to be a meddlesome owner. What Parcells did at the end was unforgivable, but that doesn't negate fixing what was badly broken under Kiam and Orthwein. Belichick doesn't come here without the Parcells connection.

Like the father of John Connor Kyle Reese?

I'd still hire Parcells even if I knew he was going to basically sabotage the 1996 SB.

Fans forget or may not know how downright putrid, pathetic and irrelevant this franchise was from 1989 to 1992.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

If we're saying nice things about Parcells.... what I think was his greatest legacy to Belichick is that Parcells never cared that his reputation was doing this or doing that. Everybody thought he'd go hard in making the Patriots a running team. Instead, he found he had a quarterback that could really sling the ball around the field and adapted. Remember how SHOCKED everyone was that a Parcells coached team set passing records?

I didn't realize how notable this was until I saw how the Dolphins were under Jimmy Johnson. He got a quarterback in Marino, who was almost the complete opposite of Aikman. And STILL tried to have him do Aikman things.

The same story would then keep repeating itself as just about every new coach tried to jam their system onto players that were not equipped to handle it.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I didn't realize how notable this was until I saw how the Dolphins were under Jimmy Johnson. He got a quarterback in Marino, who was almost the complete opposite of Aikman. And STILL tried to have him do Aikman things.

Johnson built an insane D during his time with the Dolphins. But, he couldn’t draft offense to save his life. That was his downfall. Also, Marino wasn’t the passer he once was.

 

[BennyBledsoe]

It didn't make him Aikman, either.

 

[patfanken]

1. On Cassius Marsh: The bottom line here is that without his spurious interview, no one (and that includes SEVEN fan bases, would have ever heard OR cared about Cassius Marsh. Now he can join guys like Rob Parker and get paid to denigrate the Pats for the next few years. For him, after a VERY forgettable NFL career, it will be his highlight. So sad.

2. On Parcells - in my mind a VERY overrated HC whose main skill was hiring excellent assistants and letting them carry him along. At best you can say Parcells was a great BUILDER of team. But that was always made easier because in his 2 "successfull" coaching situations he walked into to teams who have had multiple years of high draft picks and were loaded with young talent. He was a HORRIBLE "maintainer" of a good team. And he recognized that (bill was always self aware of his assets and liabilities) Maintaining is much harder than building. Christ, since 2002 we've had only THREE picks that weren't in the 20's and 30's (10 - Mayo, 17-Solder - 15- Jones)

Parcells might be a HOF HC because every HC who wins 2 SB's will get in. But he should NEVER get into the Pats HOF for a lot of reasons. He had a .500 record. He stole Curtis Martin and took several assistants when he walked out on the team and did his best to cripple the Pats. He was negotiating his job with the Jets while he was STILL under contract with the Pats instead of preparing for the Superbowl AND IT SHOWED. For that he could have had a .800 winning percentage and he'd stil be a piece of sh!t to me.

BTW maybe Bill's best skill was how well he handled the media. THEY loved him. Unlike Bill he made all their lives easier with grewat Quotes almost every time. Nobody had better PR than Bill Parchels wherever he went.

3. On Terry Glenn = A very sad tale of a very troubled person, BUT there was no denying his talent. Parcells DOESN'T get to his superbowl here without the guy HE didn't want. (BTW-anyone remember who he reportedly did want) And while the guy was CLEARLY F#cked up, he managed to have a 11 year NFL career, with with 7 season where he had over 800 receiving yds and 4 over 1000 in cludng TW)O in his final 2 years with the Cowboys at 31 and 32 years old. He also had 7 season where he played 15 games or more. I find that remarkable for a guy of his slight build.

Bottom line here was, Glenn was the archetype of the Patriot adage that states "the Patriot way sin't for everyone and they doesn't make them bad people, just a bad fit for this team. Bill inherited Glenn, and Glenn almost immediately rebelled (though he had 964 receiving yds in 2000) and by 2001 had shot his way out of town.