N’Keal Harry Requests Trade

[slash83]

I just hope we follow the falcons and trade him to a team out of the conference. The thought of having to face him in a potential playoff game will give me nightmares.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Please, someone alert me when Mike Lombardi is right about something. It can be anything…a player evaluation, a prediction, an insight into the Patriots, a draft pick, a free agent. No one is more of a phony than Lombardi. He has zero connections.

He convinced BB to sign Dion Lewis, whom he knew from his Browns days. That’s one, at least.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Speaking of former Pats guys.
He's done as a GM if he's doing TV but this is interesting and I'd watch it.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

He convinced BB to sign Dion Lewis, whom he knew from his Browns days. That’s one, at least.

Great find on that one. Can only imagine what would have happened if Dion stayed healthy.

 

[Wozzy]

Straw man argument. I never said they drafted him to stretch the field. I said they drafted him with an eye toward playing the Z. Two different things. His agent said he was a “dominant deep threat.” Not me.



In the games Meyers played at the beginning of the year, he didn’t exceed 11% of the offensive snaps while Harry was upwards of 80%. In the 49ers game/debacle, Meyers’ snaps shot in to 79% while Harry’s dropped to 11%. When the two were able to get on the field in the same game after that, Meyers had more snaps than Harry by a wide margin (sometimes playing on 100% of the offensive snaps). Meyers supplanted Harry



No doubt. The “weaponz” take by Chatham was another horribly bad take. Massive L on that one. Says weapons weren’t the biggest need and the first thing the Pats do is… go out and sign weapons. Harry no longer has an open path to being part of the offense. Given what he was able to, uh, “contribute,” since he’s been drafted, it stands to reason that they won’t see a decline in the passing game with him gone.

The Pats typically used the flanker position for their speed guys because the WR's they had outside of Randy Moss or Donte Stallworth (Cooks, Dorsett, Byrd, Patten) were undersized speedsters, as flankers they could play off the line of scrimmage and avoid the jam which made sense. Agholor is a bigger speed receiver, he's the one who is going to stress the opposing defense with speed. In my comment you replied to I didn't even mention Harry, like not once, I spoke about the WR's who were here and who wanted to be here. You spend an awful lot of time obsessing over Harry.

Meyers started the season hurt, that's why they kept him from playing, he missed the last week of camp. In the 49ers game Cam threw Harry a hospital ball that gave him a sever concussion... so yeah, his snaps went down that game and the following two games. It's not some nefarious plot to play Harry and not play Meyers, in fact when Harry came back Meyers led all WR's in snaps but they also played Harry 60% of the snaps, the following week 75%... he wasn't sitting on the sideline watching.

The Pats went out and signed TE's, the WR's are mostly the same. If Edelman hadn't retired, Agholor for Byrd would be the only change that actually happened. Bourne has a one year out for the team if he sucks, or if they have better cheaper options, he isn't making much money and provides depth now that Jules is gone assuming he even makes the team. This notion of wholesale changes at WR is a myth. Agholor is an upgrade to Byrd, he's bigger and stronger... considering Cam can't throw it in the ocean, bigger is better.

The biggest need on the team was a QB, hopefully they have filled that need. Cam isn't going to be that much better due to weapons. If anything they'll be just good enough to eke out wins despite Cam.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Pats have a lot of decent pass catchers now and no role for Harry here. Agholor, Meyers, Bourne, Henry, Jonnu, James White, that's 6 guys which is plenty not to mention Gunner's growth. Absolutely zero spot or role for Harry. This is a very different improved group of pass catchers. C-ya NKeal.

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[Uptown]

I know this has been talked about a bunch but those are killer odds. He'd be in the 10 percentile for TE even if he added weight. Learning a new position. That would be a last ditch effort. He has at least one more shot at WR. He needs an as-skicking and tough love sit down with the next OC and show him this video.

He was never going to be a WR1 but there's no reason he can't crave out a role as WR imo.

Lol I've been wrong so far so who knows

Tate is a HOF WR against bird logo teams lol

 

[Sicilian]

Please, someone alert me when Mike Lombardi is right about something. It can be anything…a player evaluation, a prediction, an insight into the Patriots, a draft pick, a free agent. No one is more of a phony than Lombardi. He has zero connections.

I think he was pretty confident that the Pats loved Mac Jones (unless I'm thinking of someone else). But either way, that wasn't exactly going out on a limb given how much they needed a young QB and where they were drafting.

 

[Triumph]

green - very good
yellow - good
orange - not so good
red - bust


certainly looks like a crap shoot

The difference is that the Steelers are rarely without a stable of great productive young WRs and therefore can afford to gamble.

The Patriots rarely have that scenario. Without Brady the ugly truth regarding the NE WRs has come to the surface. Its a crap show.

BTW, Manny Sanders = not so good. Ah, NO.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Great find on that one. Can only imagine what would have happened if Dion stayed healthy.

The 2015 season would have gone much differently.

 

[PScottman]

saw that he had a bad attitude and was an idiot like Harry.

Here's another angle on why BB may prefer veteran WRs than drafting them: you have data on their work ethic, attitude, ability to transition to the NFL rigors, assimilate into an offense, and other non-physical factors that significantly impact performance.

After QBs, it could be argued WRs are the divas of football - and NOT knowing these personality and integration factors for WR draft picks - significantly increases the risk of drafting versus signing where you have much more insight into the player's ability to perform in the NFL for non-football reasons that still significantly impact football.

 

[Froob]

I think the Alouettes would be willing to give up that 4th for him.

Lol people are dreaming if they think we will get a 4th. We'd be lucky to get a 5th.

 

[PScottman]

Their days off, rest and recovery, practice participation, workout routine, and rehab should be left up to them.

We saw how well that approach worked under Pete Carroll. I'm not saying that veterans don't get certain exceptions - they do, but the team rules are for the team for a reason so that everyone knows what to expect, what to do, what is/isnt permissible, etc - even the exceptions for veterans, injured, etc.

They are not simply set by the player, but negotiated by player and coach in good organizations so structure remains.

The Arians approach may win once (in a pretty perfect situation), but after that approach festers over a couple years and 92 guys have 92 agendas, approaches, etc...train wreck.

 

[PScottman]

we know they’re better than this

Huh? There were plenty of mistakes made over the 20 year run too. There is only perfection via hindsight - not foresight.

 

[Pape]

The difference is that the Steelers are rarely without a stable of great productive young WRs and therefore can afford to gamble.

The Patriots rarely have that scenario. Without Brady the ugly truth regarding the NE WRs has come to the surface. Its a crap show.

BTW, Manny Sanders = not so good. Ah, NO.

Manny sanders wasnt that good... IN PITTSBURGH ... he didnt explode until he hooked up with Manning in Denver... Even if Im incorrect in that assessment, it doesnt invalidate the whole analysis - which is more than 50% of the vaunted Steelers draft selections have been out and out busts... 50% success rate = crapshoot. Which is the whole point.

 

[amfootball]

I think he was pretty confident that the Pats loved Mac Jones (unless I'm thinking of someone else). But either way, that wasn't exactly going out on a limb given how much they needed a young QB and where they were drafting.

He also said we would trade for Jordan Love.

 

[amfootball]

We saw how well that approach worked under Pete Carroll. I'm not saying that veterans don't get certain exceptions - they do, but the team rules are for the team for a reason so that everyone knows what to expect, what to do, what is/isnt permissible, etc - even the exceptions for veterans, injured, etc.

They are not simply set by the player, but negotiated by player and coach in good organizations so structure remains.

The Arians approach may win once (in a pretty perfect situation), but after that approach festers over a couple years and 92 guys have 92 agendas, approaches, etc...train wreck.

There are many ways to skin a cat. You can have structure and discipline and also be flexible especially with aging vets who are your top players. I will never understand why Bill jerked around with Brady in this regard. You never want "culture" or a "system" to supercede common sense and appreciation.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Here's another angle on why BB may prefer veteran WRs than drafting them: you have data on their work ethic, attitude, ability to transition to the NFL rigors, assimilate into an offense, and other non-physical factors that significantly impact performance.

After QBs, it could be argued WRs are the divas of football - and NOT knowing these personality and integration factors for WR draft picks - significantly increases the risk of drafting versus signing where you have much more insight into the player's ability to perform in the NFL for non-football reasons that still significantly impact football.

The NEP offense requires WRs to read defenses and make route adjustments based on what they see.

They also require WRs to learn multiple positions, X, Y, Z, etc.

Having been in an NFL offense for a couple of years is a HUGE advantage over rookies.

That doesn't excuse their poor track record in selecting WRs who become productive NFL players but it is THE reason why they have drafted the fewest number of WRs of any NFL team since 2000.

 

[p8ryts]

He convinced BB to sign Dion Lewis, whom he knew from his Browns days. That’s one, at least.

please post your scorecard of his failed prognostications.

 

[p8ryts]

There are many ways to skin a cat. You can have structure and discipline and also be flexible especially with aging vets who are your top players. I will never understand why Bill jerked around with Brady in this regard. You never want "culture" or a "system" to supercede common sense and appreciation.

Huh! I always thought it was Brady who jerked around Bill. I always thought it had more to do with the TB12 brand. I don't like the new Tom and was disappointed in his attitude the last two years he was here.