Who do you think has the edge in term of knowing each other in the NE vs TB match up? Bill or Brady?

[FreeTedWilliams]

I think the bigger questions is how badly BB will outcoach Arians. He beat him with Jimmy and he blew him out with Brady.

Brady knows the Pats defense, so they will most likley change it. Nobody knows what the Pats offense is going to look like. Three weeks into a new season, I'll take BB over Arians everyday, twice on Sunday Night Football.

Arians has the better team, but the better team doesn't always win.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

I think the bigger questions is how badly BB will outcoach Arians. He beat him with Jimmy and he blew him out with Brady.

Brady knows the Pats defense, so they will most likley change it. Nobody knows what the Pats offense is going to look like. Three weeks into a new season, I'll take BB over Arians everyday, twice on Sunday Night Football.

Arians has the better team, but the better team doesn't always win.

I didn’t really think about that but now, I think it depends on the QB that plays against the Bucs because if it’s Mac Jones, I think that Brady could give input on how McDaniels and Bill would attack the Bucs D.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Bill being the GOAT HC imo has the advantage over Brady as far as what the best plan of attack will be against his opponent. Brady can throw better than BB, but BB can coach and scheme better than Brady.

 

[VectorPrime]

I think the bigger questions is how badly BB will outcoach Arians. He beat him with Jimmy and he blew him out with Brady.

Brady knows the Pats defense, so they will most likley change it. Nobody knows what the Pats offense is going to look like. Three weeks into a new season, I'll take BB over Arians everyday, twice on Sunday Night Football.

Arians has the better team, but the better team doesn't always win.

Andy Reid and Sean Payton are far better coaches than Arians too

 

[Triumph]

Belichick

He always takes away what you like the most. Brady does not like being knocked down either. Belichick will concoct a way get pressure on Brady too with creative schemes.

Belichick is going to devise a scheme that not only defeats Brady, but that the rest of the NFL ends up using to keep Brady from another ring. Not exactly identical because every defense is structured different.

Once the bell is rung it's all over. Brady is not winning in NE.

 

[pazrul72]

As one who is sick to death of the Tom vs Bill debate, when the obvious answer is both, I actually thought this was an interesting question. They know each other as well as any coach/QB can know another so I’m sure there is a lot of well he knows I want to do x y z so he will respond with a, b, c which means I will then have to zig and at the end of the day who will do it better? Whose knowledge of the other will allow them to come up with a better plan? My initial gut response was Bill as I do think he is the better strategic mind with more data to draw on And while I still believe that I realized with a little deeper thought that Tom only has to get himself ready. What I mean by that is he is going to recognize things in a split second have the flash back to oh yeah remember in my 2nd year we ran 46 cross over alpha against this look and be able to audible to a better play. Bill would have to get 11 guys to see the same thing and make the same read all at the same time.

So while I think Bill will have more impact on the pregame his influence is going to be spread a lot thinner and in the moment, the split second decisions Tom has the advantage so I voted Tom.

 

[everlong]

I think it's going to be a great chess match. I think if you're Bill you need to come into the game with a variety of concepts that all look the same but have a variance which will lead Brady towards mistakes.

But, with all the strategy in the world I think it will still come down to can the Patriots scheme up enough pressure with 4 rushers. If the Pats aren't getting to Brady with the weapons he has you can't just say we're going to take the middle of the field away as an example. You try that and the pressure doesn't get there and Evans is catching one over their heads.

I don't feel confident the Patriots front 4 can just straight up get pressure.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

Anyone saying one or the other is either out of their minds or biased. There is no edge there. These men sat with each other every week for two decades. They know each other’s tendencies and weaknesses very well. But Brady has to actually make the plays on the field while Bill is on the sidelines.

jmt

This actually the most insightful post on this thread.

We can repost at the end and close this puppy up.

 

[moosekill]

I think Tampa has a huge advantage at qb, beyond that I am not sure there is all that much separating the two teams.

 

[PP2]

I disagree slightly. In retrospect, my question was poorly worded. I think in this is particular instance Brady could have a slight advantage because he knows the tendencies of the defensive players he will face very well which could lead to a slight different game plan versus playing against completely new players. The fact that Bill knows very well Gronk too is important also and I don’t think we will see a Gronk festival in week 4.

He's not facing the same defense he used to, in practice.

 

[Chevy]

Advantage - Tom

Brady knows, even with the coaching and personnel changes, more than anyone else outside the Patriots as to how they prep. He's TFB.

Advantage - BB

Tom has had one weakness that has followed him throughout his career - facing consistent inside pressure by the front 4, leaving 7 in coverage. The Giants twice in the SB, the Ravens. Both of these teams were able to do this. Coach Covington and the D-Line staff will make this a huge priority. BB will ensure this.

Biggest Advantage - The Fans

Patriots win - hell of a job by the team and staff. Can really set the tone for the rest of the season.

Patriots lose - TFB and company are the defending champs, very solid in all phases. Won't be a division or conference loss, so not as damaging. As long as it's not a case of the Patriots laying an egg, then it can be a motivator.

 

[VectorPrime]

Belichick

He always takes away what you like the most. Brady does not like being knocked down either. Belichick will concoct a way get pressure on Brady too with creative schemes.

Belichick is going to devise a scheme that not only defeats Brady, but that the rest of the NFL ends up using to keep Brady from another ring. Not exactly identical because every defense is structured different.

Once the bell is rung it's all over. Brady is not winning in NE.

Belichick has figured out ways to slow down Mahomes for at least a half. Didnt mean s.hit for anyone else in the league because there isn’t actually a blueprint.

So to even begin to imagine that he can permanently *expose* the GOAT player in league history is disrespectful. Sure he might draw up some game plan that throws him for a loop like Rex Ryan in that divisional playoff game. IIRC Brady won 4 Super Bowls after that.

It’s honestly amazing how far some anti-Brady people push it. It is simply that Belichick might be able to come up with a kind of game plan that frustrates Brady and puts the Pats in position to win. No, it’s how Belichick is gonna come up with such a game plan than not only will the Pats win but Brady will be forever broken and never win again. What?

 

[amfootball]

Honestly, the Tampa D is going to destroy us. Brady won't have to do much.

 

[VectorPrime]

Serious question, you know how it’s well known that Belichick picks the brains of his coaching pals ahead of big games when he thinks they might have some insight into the opponent? You really think Andy Reid, one of Belichicks longest and best friends in the league, didn’t give him a call and talk to him about Brady for a bit? I would bet you anything he did. And it didn’t seem to help much.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Serious question, you know how it’s well known that Belichick picks the brains of his coaching pals ahead of big games when he thinks they might have some insight into the opponent? You really think Andy Reid, one of Belichicks longest and best friends in the league, didn’t give him a call and talk to him about Brady for a bit? I would bet you anything he did. And it didn’t seem to help much.

I don't think Reid would help an AFC rival win a game agains a non conference team, friends or not

 

[Kontradiction]

Honestly, the Tampa D is going to destroy us. Brady won't have to do much.

A really underrated aspect of the game. This might be the first time we see Jones if he doesn’t win the job right out of camp.

 

[tom444]

He's not facing the same defense he used to, in practice.

Speaking of Brady and Patriots practice, what we need is a young Rodney Harrison back for this game.

 

[VectorPrime]

I don't think Reid would help an AFC rival win a game agains a non conference team, friends or not

Im referring to Reid asking Belichick for his insight prior to the last Super Bowl not for this season.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

He's not facing the same defense he used to, in practice.

He faced Gilmore, Jackson, Jones, McCourty, Hightower, Van Noy, Guy, Winovich, Wise. That’s still a good portion of it.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Im referring to Reid asking Belichick for his insight prior to the last Super Bowl not for this season.

If it was the case, he didn’t listen very much