If We Pick At 15

[amfootball]

Obviously Cam doesn’t get to decide who starts. But the context of his situation matters. He signed for peanuts late last year, on a prove it deal, and his only competition for the starting role was Stidham and Hoyer. He signed for backup QB money, and still got the starter job.

There were a multitude of reasons, both in and out of his control, why Cam didn’t perform up to par last season. I’m not confident in him as our starter, and would rather see him replaced either by Garoppolo or one of the 1st round QB’s in this year’s draft.

When Cam was re-signed, Garoppolo was not yet available for trade. Lynch was posturing to the media that he wasn’t concerned with Garoppolo’s contract. He also postured at the time that he didn’t anticipate going after a first round QB. We of course now know that was BS, but the point was Garoppolo, at least publicly, still factored in to the 49ers plans and they weren’t parting with him prior to free agency.

Why 49ers don't feel need to restructure Jimmy G contract

Restructuring Garoppolo’s contract would carry its own set of risks, and the 49ers don’t feel they need to rework the QB’s deal at this juncture.

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I assume BB did not want to go into free agency with the optics of only Stidham and Dolegala in the QB room. He had to have somebody, and Cam was the most familiar and most affordable option at the time. He’s respected by players around the league. Obviously the money being offered played the biggest role in attracting free agents for the most part, but I think we as fans tend to be more cynical of Cam than the players do.

Cam acknowledged that he sucked last year, but he also put out that he wants to be part of the solution for this year. That means having one more opportunity to prove himself.

Cam Newton: I Want To Be A Part Of Patriots' Solution

Cam Newton wrote a message to Patriot Nation on Instagram. In it, he took accountability for the Patriots being where they are, and he stated that he wants to be a part of the future.

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No question he expected the Pats to try to improve the QB situation around him. But likely in the form of a rookie, who he could mentor this year and take off the training wheels next year, while he then goes into free agency after having been given a second chance to audition for his next contract. Trading for a veteran QB who will be expected to start over him undercuts Cam. Now I don’t care if he’s upset or not about that, but BB has given professional courtesy to veterans in the past in situations like this (see Demaryius Thomas after the Pats went and signed Antonio Brown…I seem to remember that Thomas was traded rather than cut so that his salary was guaranteed, I could be wrong). In this case BB would give Cam the courtesy of seeking a new team who would give him a chance to start. No idea who that team would be, but still.

Of course, as we all know, Garoppolo’s durability issues could lend opportunities for whoever’s holding the clipboard. So if Cam is kept around, it’s probably with that understanding. If he’s not, it could be because he and BB mutually agree he needs to go. Or could be Stidham shows enough improvement in training camp to be kept instead of Cam (and this is assuming mystery rookie QB is also on the team).

And I think it depends on who the rookie QB is. If BB chooses not to take one of the top 5 QB’s in this draft, then we’re looking at a Day 2 or 3 guy who not as much is being invested in. So the urgency to have the kid ready by 2022 may not be there, if Garoppolo is added and proves to be dependable. Let’s say it’s Jamie Newman in the 5th round. You can have Garoppolo/Newton/Newman or Garoppolo/Stidham/Newman. And going into 2022, Garoppolo would still be the presumed starter, since more has been invested in him than in Newman at that point. If the rookie QB is Lance or Fields, now you’ve invested a 1st round pick (plus), with the expectation that he’ll start in 2022 at the latest. Garoppolo is not a Brady or Favre where he can hold off such a high investment for multiple years.

The long and short of it is it’s not so cut and dry that the Pats would invest a lot in two new QB’s on top of rostering Cam at the same time. That’s where I have questions.

Nice post but you could have condensed all that into one sentence: Bill loves Cam.

I don't get it, never will. But Bill has a ridiculous affection and loyalty to Cam which makes him likely to be our starter even if we draft someone.

 

[sb1]

Nice post but you could have condensed all that into one sentence: Bill loves Cam.

I don't get it, never will. But Bill has a ridiculous affection and loyalty to Cam which makes him likely to be our starter even if we draft someone.

I think his opinion of Cam at least as a quarterback will be different once the Patriots get another QB on the roster who is better than Jarrett Stidham.

 

[amfootball]

I think his opinion of Cam at least as a quarterback will be different once the Patriots get another QB on the roster who is better than Jarrett Stidham.

I would hope so but honestly they way he praised Cam and covered for him all last season was bizarre and completely out of character.

 

[slash83]

I would hope so but honestly they way he praised Cam and covered for him all last season was bizarre and completely out of character.

Maybe being a great coach that he is he knew the guy blew and was just trying to give him a vote of confidence and keep him positive.

 

[amfootball]

Maybe being a great coach that he is he knew the guy blew and was just trying to give him a vote of confidence and keep him positive.

Ok but it didn't work. Cam was awful all year. Why bring him back?

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Maybe being a great coach that he is he knew the guy blew and was just trying to give him a vote of confidence and keep him positive.

I don’t think Cam is all that great but it seems clear that Bill put more of the offensive struggles on the lack of talent around him. They will still add a qb in the draft and I suspect the leash will be shorter given the improved talent not only at qb but Wr/TE. No excuses this season.

 

[slash83]

Ok but it didn't work. Cam was awful all year. Why bring him back?

What other options did we have really? It’s a sucky situation to be in but it was the right move.

 

[amfootball]

What other options did we have really? It’s a sucky situation to be in but it was the right move.

Huh? This off-season had the most off-season movement for QBs in the history of the NFL. We could have had anyone we wanted via FA or trade of the QBs that were out there. And ALL of them would have been better than Cam.

 

[slash83]

Huh? This off-season had the most off-season movement for QBs in the history of the NFL. We could have had anyone we wanted via FA or trade of the QBs that were out there. And ALL of them would have been better than Cam.

Hard passes on Stafford Goff Trubisky and whoever else was moved. None of those guys were worth the draft capitol it took to acquire them. Am I missing anyone else?

 

[amfootball]

Hard passes on Stafford Goff Trubisky and whoever else was moved. None of those guys were worth the draft capitol it took to acquire them. Am I missing anyone else?

Fitzpatrick, Smith, Wentz, and of course Jimmy but Bill is too cheap to pay him.

 

[slash83]

Fitzpatrick, Smith, Wentz, and of course Jimmy but Bill is too cheap to pay him.

Pass on Fitz,Wentz, and if you’re referring to Alex smith reports were pats were in touch with him but he decided to retire.
JG is the only one I’m semi interested in out of that group.

 

[amfootball]

Pass on Fitz,Wentz, and if you’re referring to Alex smith reports were pats were in touch with him but he decided to retire.
JG is the only one I’m semi interested in out of that group.

I don't understand this. You would rather have Cam than anyone of those other QBs? Because that is what you are saying. Everyone one of them is better than Cam for this year and Fitz would have been reasonable starter money for a much better player and someone who can better mentor our draft pick.

 

[slash83]

I don't understand this. You would rather have Cam than anyone of those other QBs? Because that is what you are saying. Everyone one of them is better than Cam for this year and Fitz would have been reasonable starter money for a much better player and someone who can better mentor our draft pick.

Honestly yes, I think Cam with a full offseason, way upgraded weapons, no COVid bs, will be better this season, if he isn’t replaced by JG or a rookie.

 

[Ring 6]

Fair enough. A year gets the rookie quarterback ready but if fields or Lance beats out cam so be. I will be happy that happens because it is means they are ready to start on opening day and Cam sucks. If fields is the real deal, then I am ok with him being the starter

I expect there will be a transition which could be different depending on the QB
If it’s fields as I said I expect it to be before the mid point of the season, because it will just be so obvious how much better he is than newton.

 

[Ring 6]

It just doesn't make sense to not move up.
Next year we have a worse draft pick and a much worse QB class.
I guess you can hope for a quality QB to hit the market but that is unlikely as well.

Every argument against adds up to ignoring the most important position on the field, not devoting commensurate resources to it, and expecting to get lucky.

 

[Ring 6]

Unless of course Cam comes in does really well and they win the superbowl. Then we didn't screw up.

It may rain quarters today too and all the people who called in sick are geniuses.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

"upgrading" from the worst passer in the league to just the 10th worst isn't worth it. just keep Cam and try to get better via draft

 

[Ring 6]

Obviously Cam doesn’t get to decide who starts. But the context of his situation matters. He signed for peanuts late last year, on a prove it deal, and his only competition for the starting role was Stidham and Hoyer. He signed for backup QB money, and still got the starter job.

[/QUOTE]
He signed for the best offer anyone would give him, for good reason.

There were a multitude of reasons, both in and out of his control, why Cam didn’t perform up to par last season. I’m not confident in him as our starter, and would rather see him replaced either by Garoppolo or one of the 1st round QB’s in this year’s draft.

When Cam was re-signed, Garoppolo was not yet available for trade. Lynch was posturing to the media that he wasn’t concerned with Garoppolo’s contract. He also postured at the time that he didn’t anticipate going after a first round QB. We of course now know that was BS, but the point was Garoppolo, at least publicly, still factored in to the 49ers plans and they weren’t parting with him prior to free agency.

Newton was signed as a fall back plan.

Why 49ers don't feel need to restructure Jimmy G contract

Restructuring Garoppolo’s contract would carry its own set of risks, and the 49ers don’t feel they need to rework the QB’s deal at this juncture.

www.nbcsports.com

I assume BB did not want to go into free agency with the optics of only Stidham and Dolegala in the QB room. He had to have somebody, and Cam was the most familiar and most affordable option at the time. He’s respected by players around the league. Obviously the money being offered played the biggest role in attracting free agents for the most part, but I think we as fans tend to be more cynical of Cam than the players do.

Cam acknowledged that he sucked last year, but he also put out that he wants to be part of the solution for this year. That means having one more opportunity to prove himself.

Everyone who sucks wants another opportunity. There is no way he deserves one.

Cam Newton: I Want To Be A Part Of Patriots' Solution

Cam Newton wrote a message to Patriot Nation on Instagram. In it, he took accountability for the Patriots being where they are, and he stated that he wants to be a part of the future.

boston.cbslocal.com

No question he expected the Pats to try to improve the QB situation around him. But likely in the form of a rookie, who he could mentor this year and take off the training wheels next year, while he then goes into free agency after having been given a second chance to audition for his next contract. Trading for a veteran QB who will be expected to start over him undercuts Cam.

Belichick reportedly has been in on EVERY available QB. EVERY ONE. Even Alex smith.
who cares about “undercutting” a guy who you can upgrade?
This is about winning football games not Cam Newton’s feelings. You while post is just a bunch of “we can’t get a better QBs because cams feeling will be hurt”. That is zero consideration in building a football team.

Now I don’t care if he’s upset or not about that, but BB has given professional courtesy to veterans in the past in situations like this (see Demaryius Thomas after the Pats went and signed Antonio Brown…I seem to remember that Thomas was traded rather than cut so that his salary was guaranteed, I could be wrong). In this case BB would give Cam the courtesy of seeking a new team who would give him a chance to start. No idea who that team would be, but still.

There are absolutely zero other teams that newton would start on.

Of course, as we all know, Garoppolo’s durability issues could lend opportunities for whoever’s holding the clipboard. So if Cam is kept around, it’s probably with that understanding. If he’s not, it could be because he and BB mutually agree he needs to go. Or could be Stidham shows enough improvement in training camp to be kept instead of Cam (and this is assuming mystery rookie QB is also on the team).

if you bring in garoppolo you cut newton. If you move up and get a tip qb in the draft you keep him to hold the spot until the rookie is ready. That’s cams greatest value. He knows the system so you can devote extra time to bringing the rookie up to speed.

And I think it depends on who the rookie QB is. If BB chooses not to take one of the top 5 QB’s in this draft, then we’re looking at a Day 2 or 3 guy who not as much is being invested in. So the urgency to have the kid ready by 2022 may not be there, if Garoppolo is added and proves to be dependable. Let’s say it’s Jamie Newman in the 5th round. You can have Garoppolo/Newton/Newman or Garoppolo/Stidham/Newman. And going into 2022, Garoppolo would still be the presumed starter, since more has been invested in him than in Newman at that point. If the rookie QB is Lance or Fields, now you’ve invested a 1st round pick (plus), with the expectation that he’ll start in 2022 at the latest. Garoppolo is not a Brady or Favre where he can hold off such a high investment for multiple years.

the perfect scenario would be bring in the rookie and sign Jimmy to hold down the fort (but that seems like what sf is doing, but we would do it more cheaply) then cut newton.

The long and short of it is it’s not so cut and dry that the Pats would invest a lot in two new QB’s on top of rostering Cam at the same time. That’s where I have questions.

Newton is nothing more than a fall back worst case scenario. If you upgrade him, which isn’t hard to do, he is gone.

 

[mikey m]

Seriously?? You actually wrote a post to say that someone stating their opinion of what will happen in the future and predicting what they think will happen isn’t a certainty? Are you now going to go back and go the same to every post on this board where people give opinions and point out opinions are not certain to happen? That will take you a very long time.

If you look at other posts here about the future, you'll see words like "hopefully," "confident," "if ____ then _____," "unlikely," etc. You prefer to just list off fact after fact about things that haven't happened yet, which is fine.

 

[50-yard-line]

We had 70 million in cap space, in a year with more QB movement than ever, the # 15 pick and the worst QB room in the league. If we don’t do it this year we royally screwed up.

$70 million in CAP space is irrelevant if there isn't someone available to pay who's worth the money. So tell me who they should have spent some $$$ on to not "royally screw up."