BGC 2021 QB/PTP Thread

[Flash]

If the Patriots are trading up, do people prefer Trey Lance or Justin Fields? I don't think either is out of reach if the Patriots really want to trade up, especially since the draft picks this year aren't as important given all the recent signings the past two days.

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

If the Patriots are trading up, do people prefer Trey Lance or Justin Fields? I don't think either is out of reach if the Patriots really want to trade up, especially since the draft picks this year aren't as important given all the recent signings the past two days.

Lance camp here, which I would not have expected even recently. Checks every box except experience. With Josh Allen a very recent success story as a developmental project, Lance will almost surely go in the top 10. Fields would be a real nice consolation prize, but i want a trade up for Trey Lance.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

If the Patriots are trading up, do people prefer Trey Lance or Justin Fields? I don't think either is out of reach if the Patriots really want to trade up, especially since the draft picks this year aren't as important given all the recent signings the past two days.

So tough. I have Fields graded higher which isn't a surprise. I think he's a little more pro ready & is peak might be a little higher but I love Lance. I'd be happy with with and again have JF higher by my scale. Personally I really like Lance.

 

[JerseyShore99]

If the Patriots are trading up, do people prefer Trey Lance or Justin Fields? I don't think either is out of reach if the Patriots really want to trade up, especially since the draft picks this year aren't as important given all the recent signings the past two days.

I think Lance for me, I know everyone is obsessed with his dual threat ability, but I more so value his ability to protect the football (in his 1 FCS season)

What about Mac Jones? I still prefer Lance to Jones, but maybe BB prefers Jones, a traditional passer

At this point, NE needs a rookie QB to groom quickly (ala Herbert and compete
This roster is too good to waste

 

[bellsfangb]

A quick question for you guys regarding the next tier of QBs after the Big 4 (5). Do any of Mond, Mills, Newman have above average starter upside? Will they be ready to start in 2022? If so, maybe Belichick's plan is to trade down, accumulate more draft capital and take one of these guys.

 

[JerseyShore99]

A quick question for you guys regarding the next tier of QBs after the Big 4 (5). Do any of Mond, Mills, Newman have above average starter upside? Will they be ready to start in 2022? If so, maybe Belichick's plan is to trade down, accumulate more draft capital and take one of these guys.

All major works in progress

 

[onegr8om]

If the Patriots are trading up, do people prefer Trey Lance or Justin Fields? I don't think either is out of reach if the Patriots really want to trade up, especially since the draft picks this year aren't as important given all the recent signings the past two days.

Lance!

 

[Hammer of Thor]

It's taking a while but guys are finally starting to come around.

Now please explain to the rest of the board why spending a top 10-15 pick on Mac Jones is crazy.

I saw this highlight reel posted in the free agency thread here, and was very intrigued and curious about his consistency, since he showed a ton of poise, accuracy, good decisions, decent arm strength and mobility. Too many guys to track I guess, because when I checked out your big board I was shocked to see you had him ranked higher than Jones. I swear I’ve been following these threads all year, yet somehow I missed that! Had to dig to find this thread.... . Anyway, I’m very curious on your thoughts on Mills, he seems like a pretty darn good developmental project in round 2/3 if we can’t trade up for one of the big guys.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I saw this highlight reel posted in the free agency thread here, and was very intrigued and curious about his consistency, since he showed a ton of poise, accuracy, good decisions, decent arm strength and mobility. Too many guys to track I guess, because when I checked out your big board I was shocked to see you had him ranked higher than Jones. I swear I’ve been following these threads all year, yet somehow I missed that! Had to dig to find this thread.... . Anyway, I’m very curious on your thoughts on Mills, he seems like a pretty darn good developmental project in round 2/3 if we can’t trade up for one of the big guys.

From the FA thread. I have him and Mac graded as identical. Probably alone.

I've been pumping Mills for a while now. Probably higher on him than most but I'm very intrigued. Less than a season worth of starts but he looked good recently. Very smart, poised with good footwork. He reminds me of Daniel Jones in that regard. Base, feet, core all strong, working together. Team capt. Arm talent won't wow you but its better than good enough. I think he's perfect for a lot of RPO/PA, hes really good at working the MOF in general but put something together like that and give him a year to train, learn the system. Adjust to life in the NFL. Its a huge jump in terms of experience. He'll need a lot of help at first but he's a little presence and command about him.

 

[jmt57]

A quick question for you guys regarding the next tier of QBs after the Big 4 (5). Do any of Mond, Mills, Newman have above average starter upside? Will they be ready to start in 2022? If so, maybe Belichick's plan is to trade down, accumulate more draft capital and take one of these guys.

I have the same question, based on the two recent Dolphins/49ers/Eagles trades.

The comment from this thread goes into more detail, but previous thoughts of the Pats trading up are now highly unlikely. That leads me wonder where second tier QBs will fall, and who is worth watching. I have read @BaconGrundleCandy and others assessments of Davis Mills and Kellon Mond, but I don't recall or missed opinions on Jamie Newman.

I feel as is if trading up is probably not going to be a good value - but will the best of the next group still be available in the second round? Lots of teams could use a QB.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

A quick question for you guys regarding the next tier of QBs after the Big 4 (5). Do any of Mond, Mills, Newman have above average starter upside? Will they be ready to start in 2022? If so, maybe Belichick's plan is to trade down, accumulate more draft capital and take one of these guys.

Mills

 

[Coach42]

Mills

It appears the only opening to get one of the top 4 or 5 QBs is at 4. Who would you WANT to see there, who do you expect to be there?

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

It appears the only opening to get one of the top 4 or 5 QBs is at 4. Who would you WANT to see there, who do you expect to be there?

If I'm reading this right and it's possible I'm off. If we trade up to 4 who would I want? Fields, Lance/Wilson.

 

[Coach42]

If I'm reading this right and it's possible I'm off. If we trade up to 4 who would I want? Fields, Lance/Wilson.

Yea sorry if that was confusing but what I was asking was who is most likely to be there versus who would you want there.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Yea sorry if that was confusing but what I was asking was who is most likely to be there versus who would you want there.

Lawrence is gone and the jete are dumb so I'm assuming the Wilson rumors to be true. I think SF would go Fields slightly > Lance. So I'm saying Lance most likely and small chance of Fields. And I'd go Fields, Lance Wilson personally

 

[Coach42]

Lawrence is gone and the jete are dumb so I'm assuming the Wilson rumors to be true. I think SF would go Fields slightly > Lance. So I'm saying Lance most likely and small chance of Fields. And I'd go Fields, Lance Wilson personally

Ok then in your opinion is it worth the draft capital to trade up to 4 for Lance or trade a 3 for Jimmy or stand pat and see what shakes out next year?

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Ok then in your opinion is it worth the draft capital to trade up to 4 for Lance or trade a 3 for Jimmy or stand pat and see what shakes out next year?

Honestly if it's like the Mia deal that just took place yes. I'd also trade 96 for Jimmy in a heartbeat. And I don't mind Cam on a cheap deal either.

Definitely Lance, Jimmy, Cam though for me.

 

[manxman2601]

Is it just me or does Davis Mills have A LOT of really bad throws? Really unimpressed so far. I can see the upside, but there’s a lot of lowlights.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Is it just me or does Davis Mills have A LOT of really bad throws? Really unimpressed so far. I can see the upside, but there’s a lot of lowlights.

remember, the Stanford offense is all about vertical routes and very little check down options.

 

[manxman2601]

remember, the Stanford offense is all about vertical routes and very little check down options.

Absolutely which makes him even more of a projection. I don’t know if you meant this as an explanation/excuse but to me it’s just another red flag.