2021 NFL Free Agency/Trade News & Discussion: March Edition

[Ring 6]

It is not good business to take advantage of a player way below market value just cuz you can.

His contract has paid him fairly and they basically advanced some of this years money last year.

 

[venecol]

Yep. That is the system they have in place. Like most orgs.
Id rather guess they will evaluate this like any other of thousands of things they do every year (either positive or negative outcome).
Dont see why missing on a kicker would bring about some dramatic “re-evaluation“ process.

I suspect they'll probably add a tattoo expert to the evaluation staff.

 

[Ring 6]

I don’t have much of a problem with picking him and I could see the potential reasons that they liked him....really big buy for a kicker with a strong leg like Gost, kicked well in some unfavorable weather (URI, Marshall) but to pick him in the 5th was kind of insane. I haven’t read any reports or rumors that other teams were ready to draft him, so take him in the late 6th or, better yet, the 7th if you really like him, Bill.

There is no way to know if other teams were ready to draft him.
They needed a kicker and took one at the point they had their choice of all of them. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

I suspect they'll probably add a tattoo expert to the evaluation staff.

After qb biggest need imo

 

[luuked]

I don’t have much of a problem with picking him and I could see the potential reasons that they liked him....really big buy for a kicker with a strong leg like Gost, kicked well in some unfavorable weather (URI, Marshall) but to pick him in the 5th was kind of insane. I haven’t read any reports or rumors that other teams were ready to draft him, so take him in the late 6th or, better yet, the 7th if you really like him, Bill.

I really don't see a big difference between 5th rounders, 6th rounders and 7th rounders in terms of value. At that point there is no consensus on players and everyone mostly picks whoever caught their eyes with something specific that could be developed. Well that and ST specialists. They picked Bailey in the fifth and I don't think anyone has a problem with that. Which kinda implies outcome based reasoning a little bit.

 

[ralmat55]

OTC shows $6.5M w/updated Brown cap value.

View attachment 31552

Was just there. OTC is now showing $13.146 million.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

This isn't really FA news, but not sure where else to put it...the G-men are interested in drafting Devonta Smith at 11 it would seem. If that's the case, the Giants would have a downright scary offense with Golladay, Slayton, Shephard, Barkley, and Smith...

NFL Draft: Scouts believe NY Giants targeting Alabama WR Devonta Smith

The NY Giants have bolstered Daniel Jones' supporting cast by signing Kenny Golladay, but might not be done, as some believe DeVonta Smith is a top target.

gmenhq.com

 

[Patsgofor4]

I really don't see a big difference between 5th rounders, 6th rounders and 7th rounders in terms of value. At that point there is no consensus on players and everyone mostly picks whoever caught their eyes with something specific that could be developed. Well that and ST specialists. They picked Bailey in the fifth and I don't think anyone has a problem with that. Which kinda implies outcome based reasoning a little bit.

Well, last year it was the 13th pick in the 5th round and they did miss out on Tyler Johnson, taken two spots later. The data shows that there isn’t a significant difference in the 5th and the 6th, in terms of success, but the 5th vs. the 7th there is a difference (not huge but significant).

 

[luuked]

Well, last year it was the 13th pick in the 5th round and they did miss out on Tyler Johnson, taken two spots later. The data shows that there isn’t a significant difference in the 5th and the 6th, in terms of success, but the 5th vs. the 7th there is a difference (not huge but significant). View attachment 31562

Nice summary.

Where is it from ? Is there an article attached to that ?

 

[Patsgofor4]

This isn't really FA news, but not sure where else to put it...the G-men are interested in drafting Devonta Smith at 11 it would seem. If that's the case, the Giants would have a downright scary offense with Golladay, Slayton, Shephard, Barkley, and Smith...

NFL Draft: Scouts believe NY Giants targeting Alabama WR Devonta Smith

The NY Giants have bolstered Daniel Jones' supporting cast by signing Kenny Golladay, but might not be done, as some believe DeVonta Smith is a top target.

gmenhq.com

You can’t have a “scary” offense with a sh*t QB and the jury is still out on Jones and whether he is good, meh or sh*t.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Nice summary.

Where is it from ? Is there an article attached to that ?

My bad.

What stats tells us about the draft by round

The best times to draft certain positions based on the last 10 years.

www.arrowheadpride.com

I’m not a reader of arrowheadpride, that’s just what showed up on the interweb search. The article uses data from pro football reference

 

[ausbacker]

You can’t have a “scary” offense with a sh*t QB and the jury is still out on Jones and whether he is good, meh or sh*t.

I must confess, my immediate thought was but the handbrake at QB caps the potential.

 

[moosekill]

He can choose not to report and be fined.

And still be a member of the patriots next year.

 

[RobertWeathers]

And still be a member of the patriots next year.

Yep he can pull a Gronk.

 

[moosekill]

Yep he can pull a Gronk.

We aren't somehow taking advantage of Gilmore. He was signed to a very large contract that had a signing bonus, then last year I think they moved some more of his money around so he was fronted even more money. Then he had a very good season but got hurt at the end. This argument is like having an employee ask for an advance on next week's salary, then him saying he won't work next week because you aren't going to pay him a second time. If the Patriots want to keep him longer term it makes lots of sense to extend his contract and give him more money. If they don't they have him for $7 million this year and he will be a free agent next year, so it is a show me year for him.

 

[mgteich]

We aren't somehow taking advantage of Gilmore. He was signed to a very large contract that had a signing bonus, then last year I think they moved some more of his money around so he was fronted even more money. Then he had a very good season but got hurt at the end. This argument is like having an employee ask for an advance on next week's salary, then him saying he won't work next week because you aren't going to pay him a second time. If the Patriots want to keep him longer term it makes lots of sense to extend his contract and give him more money. If they don't they have him for $7 million this year and he will be a free agent next year, so it is a show me year for him.

Gilmore has one more big contract. He's not going to risk injury this year and play for $7M. Perhaps the patriots would just let him sit the year out. More likely, they will give him more money or trade him.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You can’t have a “scary” offense with a sh*t QB and the jury is still out on Jones and whether he is good, meh or sh*t.

so why are people on this board jumping for joy about the pats offense?

 

[slash83]

so why are people on this board jumping for joy about the pats offense?

Maybe because the pats offense is built differently? The strength of the offense starts with prob the best offensive line in football, solid rbs core and prob the best 1-2 punch with tight ends. Yeah cam was garbage last year, he needs to be serviceable not great for this offense to thrive.

 

[Patsgofor4]

so why are people on this board jumping for joy about the pats offense?

I don’t know anyone here who thinks that the Pats offense, as currently constituted, is going to be scary-good, but after being forced to watch that anemic, scary-bad mess in 2020, its hard not to be excited about 2021. I’m excited for the potential of an above average offense. It’s all relative.

 

[Uptown]